Question for Swamiji re: Ultimate Goal/llatha and ardis

July 21, 2004

thanks latha. i certainly agree, this path is not for everyone, no

way.

taking the citadel by storm. in a way, that is what this method is.

is it right or wrong? i don't know. this came up for me in our last

meeting, when we were alluding to the goal of reciting the chandi

patah.

my self-observation over time has been, it [my personal experience

related to in thepost] was not a full path as there was no inclusion

of virtues, or as ardis suggested, devotion, although those [yes, as

temporary states] seemed to appear as a consequence, as part of that

inner-guru-awakening-enactment thingie. i certainly did miss having

some a personal guide. i leaned heavily towards the absolute ... the

chandi patah has been really great to re-awaken that sense of

worship, divine/spiritual qualities, and things proceeding in a

relatively graceful manner.

even the approach of a method [or as ardis suggested, a quest for

a 'state'] is up for grabs. is it legitimate or not? some would say

there can be no goals; yets Swamiji refreshingly suggests quite

otherwise. wonderful! i love it!

so, what is the ultimate goal? is it ever present? or are we

constantly re-attuning to it? pranams pranams pranams thank you for

considering this with me, beyond mind, yet using tools of mind such

as words etc ...

s

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> Dear Ardis/Steve/All,

>

> IMHO, we are all students and we all have different mental,

> intellectual and emotional make-ups . All we can do is share our

> understanding and provide a support structure and encouragement for

> our spiritual practices to grow . We realize that each person has

> their own path and only people much wiser than us - like Maa and

> Swamiji can actually advise based on each individual's requirement.

>

> Steve, I will forward your question to Swamiji.

>

> JAI MAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>

> Latha

>

> , Ardis Jackson

<anandamama@e...>

> wrote:

> > If you read Jay Dayal's posts on Faith, Steve, you will witness a

> very different path. Ramakrishna said that the best path for the

> Kali Yuga was devotion. In your entire post, it seems like you are

> trying to attain some "state". In my life, devotion, faith and

> surrender are the way. In my first Chandi homa, Swamiji asked me

to

> tell Mother what I wanted for my boon. My spontaneous answer

was "I

> want to be as You want me to be." Nothing more and nothing less.

> That is my goal. I am not capable of envisioning what She wants for

> me. Only She knows. Jai Maa! Jai Durge! I surrender to Your

Will.

> >

> > Steve Connor <sconnor@a...>

> > Jul 21, 2004 5:32 AM

> >

> > Question for Swamiji re: Ultimate Goal

> >

> > <html><body>

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> > Hi all and Swamiji,

> >

> > Here is a question for Swamiji. It is something I have been

> thinking

> > about for a while, how to ask. As so often is the case, the time

>

> > comes up and there is that feeling, 'do it now' in the midst of

>

> > whatever chaos or lack of preparation there is in life. OK.

> >

> > 12-15 years ago I took some time off work to do some sadhana. I

> had

> > no incarnated Guru at the time. My task was, to find out, "what

is

>

> > the one thing in common to all the ways?" I desired something

very

>

> > specific, something I could practice, something I could DO.

> >

> > Prior to the time off, I read everything I could find in English

> on

> > Advaita, Buddhism, writings of various saints and sages, etc.

> >

> > The conclusion was, to transcend the mind by "stopping" the mind.

>

> > This was in common to all ways that were esoteric and inclined to

>

> > realization and freedom from ego as the goal.

> >

> > One sadhu in particular was very aggressive on this topic, and

> would

> > practice for long hours simply making this effort quite directly.

> He

> > also studied Ramana. At any rate, his method seemed the most

> direct.

> > My only worry was, he did indicate a Guru must be present at the

>

> > moment of transition as the ego-mind "dies" and awareness re-

> centers

> > in the heart. I decided to proceed anyway.

> >

> > So this I did making as much effort as I was capable of. I found

>

> > indeed, like Ramana said, there is a phase in which one must

> > become "airborne" or take off like a rocket. You must fight to

> > acquire enough lift-off to begin to transcend the normal egoic

> > state. At a certain point, the "guru" takes over.

> >

> > So, I found with consistent effort, there were moments with an

> > abrupt shift, and then there was a beingness that moved me, moved

> my

> > head, moved my eyes, everything. This same beingness moved the

> cars

> > and the clouds.

> >

> > Sometimes the change was very abrupt, and it was accompanied by a

>

> > fast falling sensation.

> >

> > One day I was working very hard in this direction, meditating in

> our

> > back room. Suddenly I was "in" a very intense environment, as if

I

>

> > had stuck my head into a burning oven.

> >

> > This, and the movements of mind down into the heart, made me

> > realize, or think ... that there is a physical danger here, maybe

> I

> > would not survive this transition. The swami said it was a very

> real

> > possibility. I could "see" how the network that is our normal

> > experiencing was capable of collapse.

> >

> > During this process there was a lot of bliss and awareness as

> well,

> > as a matter of course, contemplation on I Am That, etc.

> >

> > The question is ... Swamiji! Is this a path to take?

> >

> > Is our goal transcendence of mind?

> >

> > What is the fastest way?

> >

> > What do you make of all this?

> >

> > Svahaa Swamiji! Thank you for any thoughts you can share on this!

> I

> > hope is all makes some sense and is useful to someone!

> >

> > Steve C.

> >

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