Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 This directly correlates with my previous post which I didn't describe very well. Each spark of consciousness has its own harmonics. This is mine. Sadhana means spiritual practice. It is a clever word created by people of efficiency (aka sadhus) to allow a person's mind to feel separate from his or her own spiritual basis. That way the mind will not feel threatened by something which it considers to be outside itself. In this manner it becomes a path by which goddess can penetrate the mind and sley the dark thoughts, the self destructive thoughts. In reality sadhana is not something you do, but the way in which you do things. At first we do sadhana as something separate from "reality." We consider it a personal way to connect with god privately and we guard it as such. The guarding is not actually to prevent others from getting in, but to prevent it from getting out into our lives. Its a mental skism we create to protect our identity from the one true reality. However, those conscious individuals who create the sadhana guidlines for us to perform -- Swami and Maa included -- did it in such a way as to create a trickle of her energy into our minds. Not enough to creep us out too much, but just enough to begin to expand our mental awareness. Not too much threat to our belief of identity, but enough to insure that if we truly desire (beyond the mind) to become conscious we surely will one day. An avatar is one who knows he or she is God. An ego is the mind's belief that it is separate from everything. Enlightenment is the process by which that belief is tore down, split open, and destroyed by consciousness. It creates an Avatar. When we perform the Puja's, Meditations, Homas and other forms of worship taught to us by religion we at first see those occurances as separate moments in time. However after some time, the feelings and attitudes expressed in the practices leaks into our daily lives. We find that as we are driving down the road, we remember her in the vehicles around us. When we talk in meetings, on the phone, even when we gossip, eat food, watch TV, hack on computers, etc etc etc, she is there and we feel her. She doesn't influence, she doesn't interfere, she's just watching and showing us her perspective of things if we want to see. That's when we realize that all we do is sadhana for her. For her gain. For her reasoning. For what ever she wants this universe to accomplish. That's when we stop owning everything. That's when we become the embodiment of surrender. That's when the duality unifies by letting go of itself. Using Swamiji's analogy: that's when the container separating the consciousness of individuality and the consciousness of infinite goodness breaks and there is no longer separation. Love, Brian "In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program. --- On Fri 08/13, Latha Nanda < lathananda > wrote: Latha Nanda [ lathananda] Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:18:41 -0000 Intensity vs Time _____________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 hmm ... good question ... it's like, "i can do this now, i see the room is a mess, i always wanted to fix it up nicely, i have the energy time space and will to do it." like that. it makes you breath easier. it makes you happier. it makes things go more smoothly. it makes other people happier. ok, now it is coming to me: i felt, not all that long ago: "this is it. you are getting older. when are you going to do this? it is now o'clock. NOW is the time." steve , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > >Commitment to practice comes only with the desire > > for liberation. Without this desire, direct realization is > >impossible, no matter how much you listen to a teacher or > > contemplate a philosophical truth. > > > > Dear Chris, > Thank you for sharing from the Tripura Rahasya. > > I onced asked (half-jokingly) to Swamiji , "how long will take me to > get enlightened". And he equally playfully , referred to his watch > and said .."you will get enlightened at ...." and stopped. And I > said "And .... go on... " and waited expectantly and Swamiji merely > smiled. > > Your post brought home to me why enlightenment is not time based. It > does not matter the number of times we repeat a mantra or the length > of sadhana .... though all these practices pushes us and keeps us in > the groove... what matters is the INTENSITY of the desire. > > Now that I know it intellectually , time to put it in practice. > > How does one increase the intensity of the desire to practice ? Can > people share how they felt the inner prompting to step up their > sadhana ? Any tips ? > > Love > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 OM NAMAH SHIVAYA There is a saying: "What you think, that you become" So then love is not generated, where sufficient thought is not bestowed. The more one thinks of a thing, the more one gets attached to it even negative thoughts. Mantra Japa is a sure way to develop and train oneself and increase our intensity for the divine. OM NAMAH SHIVAYA , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > > This directly correlates with my previous post which I didn't describe very well. > > Each spark of consciousness has its own harmonics. This is mine. > > Sadhana means spiritual practice. It is a clever word created by people of efficiency (aka sadhus) to allow a person's mind to feel separate from his or her own spiritual basis. That way the mind will not feel threatened by something which it considers to be outside itself. In this manner it becomes a path by which goddess can penetrate the mind and sley the dark thoughts, the self destructive thoughts. > > In reality sadhana is not something you do, but the way in which you do things. At first we do sadhana as something separate from "reality." We consider it a personal way to connect with god privately and we guard it as such. The guarding is not actually to prevent others from getting in, but to prevent it from getting out into our lives. Its a mental skism we create to protect our identity from the one true reality. > > However, those conscious individuals who create the sadhana guidlines for us to perform -- Swami and Maa included -- did it in such a way as to create a trickle of her energy into our minds. Not enough to creep us out too much, but just enough to begin to expand our mental awareness. Not too much threat to our belief of identity, but enough to insure that if we truly desire (beyond the mind) to become conscious we surely will one day. > > An avatar is one who knows he or she is God. > > An ego is the mind's belief that it is separate from everything. > > Enlightenment is the process by which that belief is tore down, split open, and destroyed by consciousness. It creates an Avatar. > > When we perform the Puja's, Meditations, Homas and other forms of worship taught to us by religion we at first see those occurances as separate moments in time. However after some time, the feelings and attitudes expressed in the practices leaks into our daily lives. We find that as we are driving down the road, we remember her in the vehicles around us. When we talk in meetings, on the phone, even when we gossip, eat food, watch TV, hack on computers, etc etc etc, she is there and we feel her. She doesn't influence, she doesn't interfere, she's just watching and showing us her perspective of things if we want to see. > > That's when we realize that all we do is sadhana for her. For her gain. For her reasoning. For what ever she wants this universe to accomplish. That's when we stop owning everything. That's when we become the embodiment of surrender. That's when the duality unifies by letting go of itself. > > Using Swamiji's analogy: that's when the container separating the consciousness of individuality and the consciousness of infinite goodness breaks and there is no longer separation. > > Love, > > Brian > > > > > "In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program. > > --- On Fri 08/13, Latha Nanda < lathananda > wrote: > Latha Nanda [ lathananda] > > Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:18:41 -0000 > Intensity vs Time > > _____________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 OM NAMAH SIVAYA perception and priorities JAI MA , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > >Commitment to practice comes only with the desire > > for liberation. Without this desire, direct realization is > >impossible, no matter how much you listen to a teacher or > > contemplate a philosophical truth. > > > > Dear Chris, > Thank you for sharing from the Tripura Rahasya. > > I onced asked (half-jokingly) to Swamiji , "how long will take me to > get enlightened". And he equally playfully , referred to his watch > and said .."you will get enlightened at ...." and stopped. And I > said "And .... go on... " and waited expectantly and Swamiji merely > smiled. > > Your post brought home to me why enlightenment is not time based. It > does not matter the number of times we repeat a mantra or the length > of sadhana .... though all these practices pushes us and keeps us in > the groove... what matters is the INTENSITY of the desire. > > Now that I know it intellectually , time to put it in practice. > > How does one increase the intensity of the desire to practice ? Can > people share how they felt the inner prompting to step up their > sadhana ? Any tips ? > > Love > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Narvarna mantra done with pranayama and asanna seems to bring a great deal of intensity to sadic practices. , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > >Commitment to practice comes only with the desire > > for liberation. Without this desire, direct realization is > >impossible, no matter how much you listen to a teacher or > > contemplate a philosophical truth. > > > > Dear Chris, > Thank you for sharing from the Tripura Rahasya. > > I onced asked (half-jokingly) to Swamiji , "how long will take me to > get enlightened". And he equally playfully , referred to his watch > and said .."you will get enlightened at ...." and stopped. And I > said "And .... go on... " and waited expectantly and Swamiji merely > smiled. > > Your post brought home to me why enlightenment is not time based. It > does not matter the number of times we repeat a mantra or the length > of sadhana .... though all these practices pushes us and keeps us in > the groove... what matters is the INTENSITY of the desire. > > Now that I know it intellectually , time to put it in practice. > > How does one increase the intensity of the desire to practice ? Can > people share how they felt the inner prompting to step up their > sadhana ? Any tips ? > > Love > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In a message dated 8/13/04 9:41:55 AM Mountain Daylight Time, lathananda writes: How does one increase the intensity of the desire to practice? Can people share how they felt the inner prompting to step up their sadhana ? Any tips ? Namaste, It is the energy devoted to accomplish anything that increases intensity. During a period when performing personal daily japa, my goal was to find out what was going on between the words of the mantra and then later between the syllables. The intensity increased as the direct result of the concentration of awareness on the mantra. The will increased to perform japa as the direct result of the goal. My overthought as this was written was "Siva wants to know His creation and His creation wants to know Siva". Love to All, Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Dear Latha, There is the saying that enlightenment only takes as long as it takes to throw your leg over the horse. The story goes that one of the sages (could have been King Janaka .. probably someone in the forum knows who) got enlightened as he mounted on his horse. Jayadeva , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > >Commitment to practice comes only with the desire > > for liberation. Without this desire, direct realization is > >impossible, no matter how much you listen to a teacher or > > contemplate a philosophical truth. > > > > Dear Chris, > Thank you for sharing from the Tripura Rahasya. > > I onced asked (half-jokingly) to Swamiji , "how long will take me to > get enlightened". And he equally playfully , referred to his watch > and said .."you will get enlightened at ...." and stopped. And I > said "And .... go on... " and waited expectantly and Swamiji merely > smiled. > > Your post brought home to me why enlightenment is not time based. It > does not matter the number of times we repeat a mantra or the length > of sadhana .... though all these practices pushes us and keeps us in > the groove... what matters is the INTENSITY of the desire. > > Now that I know it intellectually , time to put it in practice. > > How does one increase the intensity of the desire to practice ? Can > people share how they felt the inner prompting to step up their > sadhana ? Any tips ? > > Love > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I think my desire to pratice was increase with our satsanga( or what our dear Steve use to say Cyber Sangha or CyberChurch) . All You help me in my sadhana. So I offer my humble reverence to all you. Jaya Maa!!!!Jaya Swmiji!!!! Satsangha+sankalpa= devotion+sadhana= + satsangha+ sankalpa = devotion+......... I Thank you very much With love KalachandraLatha Nanda <lathananda > wrote: >Commitment to practice comes only with the desire> for liberation. Without this desire, direct realization is >impossible, no matter how much you listen to a teacher or > contemplate a philosophical truth.> Dear Chris,Thank you for sharing from the Tripura Rahasya.I onced asked (half-jokingly) to Swamiji , "how long will take me to get enlightened". And he equally playfully , referred to his watch and said .."you will get enlightened at ...." and stopped. And I said "And .... go on... " and waited expectantly and Swamiji merely smiled.Your post brought home to me why enlightenment is not time based. It does not matter the number of times we repeat a mantra or the length of sadhana .... though all these practices pushes us and keeps us in the groove... what matters is the INTENSITY of the desire.Now that I know it intellectually , time to put it in practice.How does one increase the intensity of the desire to practice ? Can people share how they felt the inner prompting to step up their sadhana ? Any tips ? LoveLatha Acesso Grátis - navegue de graça com conexão de qualidade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 > I think my desire to pratice was increase with our satsanga( or > what our dear Steve use to say Cyber Sangha or CyberChurch) . Dear Kalachandra and everyone, That struck a chord ! In my case it is a role model - when I see someone giving off their very best consistently ... when I see Maa refusing to get up until her work is done ... when I see Swamiji doing 4 asans a day - one from midnight to early morning (he sleeps abt 4 hrs a day) ... when I see my beloved concentrating on the task at hand with unwavering focus ... when I see people doing things for others and pushing themselves beyond their limits because they care ... all that inspire me and I go back to my altar and say to myself "you too can do it Latha... just keep at it ! And as the night turns to dawn, it WILL happen. The intensity WILL come ! Just stick with it and surround yourself with inspiration" And atleast for a few moments I am giving off myself more sincerely , more earnestly , more ... MORE STRONGLY ! For me , I can see clearly now ... Intensity follows Inspiration ! Thank you for the discussion and thank you querida for your point on the satsangha. Love Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Latha, Here is what Dattatreya had to say (this continues the same paraphrase translation of the Tripura Rahasya, by Rajmani Tigunait). Dattatreya: Resolve with full confidence and determination: "No matter what happens I will accomplish this. This ought to be achieved and I am the one to achieve it." The aspirant endowed with such single-minded resolution overcomes every obstacle. The more a person is absorbed in the practice, the sooner he or she attains the result. Parashurama: First you said that the company of the saints is the major precipitating factor; then you brought up the idea of the grace of god; and now you speak of dispassion, desire, and wholeheartedness in spiritual practice. Which one is the primary method and how can I develop it? Please be more specific. Dattatreya: Let me explain the order: the company of the sages, God's grace, dispassion, and absorption in practice. It is human nature to constantly perform actions, the consequences of which may be good or bad. Behind all action is the desire to attain happiness. Whatever a person's concept of happiness is, he or she makes an effort to attain that. Eventually he or she begins to fear that self-effort may not be enough. At this point the aspirant turns to God, who is said to be almighty and who can fulfill all desires. The aspirant begins reading, questioning whether God exists, asking how to pray, and wondering how much can be expected of God. To find the answers, the aspirant seeks out the company of the wise. A person may expect his or her good actions to help decrease life's problems and conflicts. But sometimes, his or her charity, austerities, scriptural study, and other good deeds do not seem to bear commensurate fruit. The aspirant also notices that often those who perform good karma suffer throughout life, while evil people are happy. Why? Unable to answer this question, the aspirant turns for advice to the learned. Parashurama, when the aspirant listens to the wise extolling the greatness of God and spiritual practice, grace begins to descend; interest in the supra-mundane is quickened, and the seeker begins to tread the path. An individual must have some good karma from the past for this process even to begin. Coming into the company of a wise person is the most critical juncture in a soul's evolution; it is at this point that his or her true purpose as a human being begins to be fulfilled. The results of meritorious karma lead to satsanga (good company), and listening to and associating with those further along the path. The aspirant's interest is kindled and he or she begins to practice. Through satsanga the aspirant develops faith and learns how to draw the proper meaning from the scriptures. From revealed scripture he or she learns about the absolute reality. If necessary, the aspirant may be taught to conceptualize the absolute through symbols and images. By worshiping the absolute through symbols, the aspirant attains the grace that helps him or her to cultivate disinterest in sensory objects and awakens ardent desire for enlightenment. Burning desire, in turn, helps develop unflagging determination to attain the goal. The aspirant begins listening to the confident inner voice that asserts, "I am going to do it. The goal can be attained and I will attain it." This is the ground where master and disciple meet. The sadhaka surrenders himself to the master with perfect faith. Chris , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > > I think my desire to pratice was increase with our satsanga( or > > what our dear Steve use to say Cyber Sangha or CyberChurch) . > > Dear Kalachandra and everyone, > > That struck a chord ! In my case it is a role model - when I see > someone giving off their very best consistently ... > > when I see Maa refusing to get up until her work is done ... > when I see Swamiji doing 4 asans a day - one from midnight to early > morning (he sleeps abt 4 hrs a day) ... > when I see my beloved concentrating on the task at hand with > unwavering focus ... > when I see people doing things for others and pushing themselves > beyond their limits because they care ... > > all that inspire me and I go back to my altar and say to myself "you > too can do it Latha... just keep at it ! And as the night turns to > dawn, it WILL happen. The intensity WILL come ! Just stick with it > and surround yourself with inspiration" > > And atleast for a few moments I am giving off myself more > sincerely , more earnestly , more ... MORE STRONGLY ! > > For me , I can see clearly now ... Intensity follows Inspiration ! > > Thank you for the discussion and thank you querida for your point on > the satsangha. > > Love > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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