Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 I was reading through Swamiji's word for word break down of Chandi Chapter two when I came across an old friend. His name is Asiloma, Want of Resolution (Maybe we should call him War, for short, *grin*) We spend a lot of time in our lives trying to slaughter Too Much, Too Little, Self Aggrandizement, and Self Deprecation because they are Asuras we are all familiar with. They are the grand-daddies of the rest of them, the leaders. They are overt. The others are more subtle. I think it would be a great idea for us to discuss what each of these guys is for us. So, how does Asiloma affect our daily lives? When have we recognized him rearing his ugly face? Brian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release 9/10/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 OM NAMAH SIVAYA dear Brian, i have never studied the Chandi the way many of you have so please forgive me if i am missing the point of your post. but reading your post about Asiloma, Too Much and Too Little brings to mind the story about Siddhartha. Siddhartha's father was the king and wanted to shield his son from the suffering of humanity. death, sickness, etc. so he made sure Siddhartha only saw beauty and health in his surroundings. but one day Siddhartha ventured beyond the palace walls and saw the suffering that existed in humanity. he saw the sick. he saw the old. finally, he happened across a funeral ceremony. he realized that everyone gets old and dies. then, Siddhartha realized he couldn't continue live in the avoidance that his father's surroundings provided. he wanted more that anything to discover how one might overcome suffering. he left the kingdom of "Too Much". he met these five ascetics and began to practice the austerities and self-mortifications that they practiced. he practiced with such intensity that soon they became his followers. but his answers were still not forthcoming. he redoubled his efforts and refused all food and water until he was near a state of death. "Too Little" was not working either. then one day he finally realized that the answer doesn't lie in either extreme but in the middle. only then he became the Buddha. maybe Too Much and Too Little's faces aren't ugly. mabybe they should not be slayed but rather they are our friends. like guard rails on the side of the road. they are not there for us to crash our car into. their purpose is to keep us in the middle of our path. JAI MA , Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote: > I was reading through Swamiji's word for word break down of Chandi Chapter > two when I came across an old friend. His name is Asiloma, Want of > Resolution (Maybe we should call him War, for short, *grin*) > > We spend a lot of time in our lives trying to slaughter Too Much, Too > Little, Self Aggrandizement, and Self Deprecation because they are Asuras > we are all familiar with. They are the grand-daddies of the rest of them, > the leaders. They are overt. The others are more subtle. > > I think it would be a great idea for us to discuss what each of these guys > is for us. > > So, how does Asiloma affect our daily lives? When have we recognized him > rearing his ugly face? > > Brian > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release 9/10/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Namaste ALL esp EC, I was thinking about what you wrote, "mabybe they should not be slayed but rather they are our friends. like guard rails on the side of the road. they are not there for us to crash our car into. their purpose is to keep us in the middle of our path." Maybe the idea of killing asuras (negativities) can be viewed also as neutralizing them in some way. Maybe this might be "turning the other cheek." Maybe there are various perspectives. Making peace with the enemy is one way to overcome him. The guard rail analogy is a good one. EC, you sure do provide lots to think about in your postings! Namaste, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Hi EC, Very Tao of you to tell Budha's story. There is a story about three thieves, three gunas. Their names are, Rajas, Tamas, and Satva. One day they were hiding in the forest when and unsuspecting man walked by. They jumped him, quickly tied him up and took all his valuables. Rajas said, "We should kill him so he can't tell anyone about us!" Tamas said, "No. We should just get out of here and relish in our loot!" Satva said, "Maybe we shouldn't take everything, after all he needs to eat." The thieves argued a bit more and then walked off into the forest. An hour later Satva came back and untied the man, appologized and then ran back into the forest. The triangle dot yantra represents the balancing of the three gunas within us, a place where there is very little to disturb our peace. Satva is considered to be a more healthy quality than either of his two brothers, but I feel the message is pretty clear, he's no better than either of his two brothers, he's still a thief. What's he steal? Awareness. The gunas are the first trinity of qualities that needs to be balanced. The dualities that Budha spoke about to identify the middle way are also another method of bringing harmony to the mind. I don't feel balancing the opposites is the final answer. I feel that balancing hot and cold, love and fear, etc will not give us our final goal, I believe it merely prepares us for our final journey. Mother consciousness is beyond the dualistic aspects and the triple qualities of Maya. She causes us to rise above it all by removing the concepts from our minds. You are right, they are not ugly or pretty (we just see them that way) and they must be accepted at face value, seen for what they are, and loved as part of us and part of her. But, I fully believe they are to be sacrificed to Maa if we desire enlightenment. Just like Satya Vrat had to pray for Saraswati to remove his curse, our minds, no matter how powerful and good they are must let consciousness slay our asuras. To summarize: yes we must accept the Asuras, but we must also release them to Maa's arms, mace, bow, shakti, or discuss etc to be free of them. Once they are gone, there is no path on which to walk only Oneness. Thanks for responding. Brian _____________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Dear Brian, What a wonderful stroke of inspiration - to discuss the Asuras as outlined in the Chandi. Resolution or Resolve is Sankalpa , and therefore Want of Resolution is a lack of sankalpa. And Sankalpa, I am beginning to understand more and more, spills over from spiritual practices to daily life. Two examples that have personally inspired me . I saw Maa sitting in front of her altar during the month before Shivaratri . She makes these little clay based Shiva Lingam and does 108 a day. Just before she started, she put her right hand over her left (the sankalpa mudra) , closed her eyes and then started her task. It made me realise that I need to take a resolve for each and every task to see it through the end, and give it the fullest attention and focus. The other example, (once again at the risk of repetition), is when I had the privilege to make a snack for Maa. I took it to where she was , and found her deeply absorbed in making a head dress for Shiva. When I suggested she eat the snack because it was nice and hot, she gently smiled and told me that she would not get up until her task was complete. I believe , like Swamiji said yesterday on a different topic, if I but give my fullest attention to my job at hand and in this case typing out this post , then I have taken another shot at the demon that you have called WAR (WAnt of Resolution ) Jai Maa Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Namaste Sis! Wow. I hadn't thought about Asiloma from that perspective. Asiloma is also lack of resolve, his name means want of resolution and its opposite lack of resolve. Thanks! I see a theme emerging among the Asuras (talking of our four favorites and Asiloma). Each of them is an aspect of an unhealthy desire to control things that are outside the scope of our control. Asiloma wants to resolve things outside while failing to keep resolve to work toward the goal on the inside. He's like a whining toddler who wants his rattle but doesn't want to learn reach out to it when its only a foot from his hand... Thanks much. I hadn't made that connection. This is wonderful. Brian _____________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 a nice image to think of, next time i am interrupted ... she is loving but she keeps to her mission. , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Dear Brian, > > What a wonderful stroke of inspiration - to discuss the Asuras as > outlined in the Chandi. > > Resolution or Resolve is Sankalpa , and therefore Want of Resolution > is a lack of sankalpa. And Sankalpa, I am beginning to understand > more and more, spills over from spiritual practices to daily life. > > Two examples that have personally inspired me . > > I saw Maa sitting in front of her altar during the month before > Shivaratri . She makes these little clay based Shiva Lingam and does > 108 a day. Just before she started, she put her right hand over her > left (the sankalpa mudra) , closed her eyes and then started her > task. > > It made me realise that I need to take a resolve for each and every > task to see it through the end, and give it the fullest attention > and focus. > > The other example, (once again at the risk of repetition), is when I > had the privilege to make a snack for Maa. I took it to where she > was , and found her deeply absorbed in making a head dress for > Shiva. When I suggested she eat the snack because it was nice and > hot, she gently smiled and told me that she would not get up until > her task was complete. > > > I believe , like Swamiji said yesterday on a different topic, if I > but give my fullest attention to my job at hand and in this case > typing out this post , then I have taken another shot at the demon > that you have called WAR (WAnt of Resolution ) > > Jai Maa > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 OM NAMAH SIVAYA dear Brian, i am not familiar with all the terms you use so excuse my ingorance as i am just trying to better understand. the asuras you mentioned; can that be defined as the forces of duality and darkness? if so, you say, "Mother consciousness is beyond the dualistic aspects and the triple qualities of Maya. She causes us to rise above it all by removing the concepts from our minds." it seems "Mother consciousness" doesn't know the very concepts you are trying to slay? to me that's like Bush going to war for peace. i am certainly not trying to dispute your knowledge of Hinduism or the Chandi just understand its essence. so if this is stupid logic forgive me. these quotes are more how i think of it. Swami Sivananda says, "Moksha is not the attainment of liberation from an actual state of bondage, but is the realization of the liberation which already exists. it is freedom from the false notion of bondage." Amma says, "By realizing our own Self we become full, with nothing more to gain in life. Life becomes perfect. Spirituality is the practical science of life. Apart from taking us to the ultimate goal of Self-Realization it teaches us the nature of the world, and how to understand life and live fully in the best way possible." if everything is a quality of Ma,the asuras are too these qualities. there is no darkness only a lack of light. the name of GOD is the light. for me the asuras will never be "gone" only my need to slay them. if i try to kill my enemy he may kill me. if i make him my friend i have a bigger army to work with. Then i am better able to do as Amma says and live life fully in the best way possible. JAI MA , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > > Hi EC, > > Very Tao of you to tell Budha's story. > > There is a story about three thieves, three gunas. > > Their names are, Rajas, Tamas, and Satva. > > One day they were hiding in the forest when and unsuspecting man walked by. They jumped him, quickly tied him up and took all his valuables. > > Rajas said, "We should kill him so he can't tell anyone about us!" > > Tamas said, "No. We should just get out of here and relish in our loot!" > > Satva said, "Maybe we shouldn't take everything, after all he needs to eat." > > The thieves argued a bit more and then walked off into the forest. > > An hour later Satva came back and untied the man, appologized and then ran back into the forest. > > The triangle dot yantra represents the balancing of the three gunas within us, a place where there is very little to disturb our peace. > > Satva is considered to be a more healthy quality than either of his two brothers, but I feel the message is pretty clear, he's no better than either of his two brothers, he's still a thief. What's he steal? Awareness. > > The gunas are the first trinity of qualities that needs to be balanced. The dualities that Budha spoke about to identify the middle way are also another method of bringing harmony to the mind. > > I don't feel balancing the opposites is the final answer. I feel that balancing hot and cold, love and fear, etc will not give us our final goal, I believe it merely prepares us for our final journey. > > Mother consciousness is beyond the dualistic aspects and the triple qualities of Maya. She causes us to rise above it all by removing the concepts from our minds. > > You are right, they are not ugly or pretty (we just see them that way) and they must be accepted at face value, seen for what they are, and loved as part of us and part of her. But, I fully believe they are to be sacrificed to Maa if we desire enlightenment. > > Just like Satya Vrat had to pray for Saraswati to remove his curse, our minds, no matter how powerful and good they are must let consciousness slay our asuras. > > To summarize: yes we must accept the Asuras, but we must also release them to Maa's arms, mace, bow, shakti, or discuss etc to be free of them. Once they are gone, there is no path on which to walk only Oneness. > > Thanks for responding. > > Brian > > > _____________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Hi ecjensen, The Chandi Path (if I may, in my own relative ignorance and inexperience, venture an explaination) is its own loka (in a sense). As you have probably gathered from the ongoing practices here, Chandi Path is a sublime method for realizing Divine Mother, but it is also an allegorical account of just how this process occurs. In this account, the ashuras are thoughts (one might even think of them as principles behind the operation of the ego), and the Divine Mother, when praised in propitiation, arrives in her various forms with her variety of weapons and slays these thoughts (usually after a great battle in which legions of lesser thoughts are sent against Her). In my opinion, the Chandi is all about sadhana. It is without a doubt also a sublime philosophy, but the philosophy must be intuited or interpolated, and it grows with experience. It is not about the ego killing itself -- there is no inner conflict here (beyond the usual). Divine Mother does all of the killing. Just like She does in life. Chris , "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us> wrote: > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > dear Brian, > > i am not familiar with all the terms you use so excuse my ingorance > as i am just trying to better understand. the asuras you mentioned; > can that be defined as the forces of duality and darkness? > > if so, you say, "Mother consciousness is beyond the dualistic > aspects and the triple qualities of Maya. She causes us to rise > above it all by removing the concepts from our minds." > > it seems "Mother consciousness" doesn't know the very concepts you > are trying to slay? to me that's like Bush going to war for peace. > > i am certainly not trying to dispute your knowledge of Hinduism or > the Chandi just understand its essence. so if this is stupid logic > forgive me. these quotes are more how i think of it. > Swami Sivananda says, "Moksha is not the attainment of liberation > from an actual state of bondage, but is the realization of the > liberation which already exists. it is freedom from the false > notion of bondage." > Amma says, "By realizing our own Self we become full, with nothing > more to gain in life. Life becomes perfect. Spirituality is the > practical science of life. Apart from taking us to the ultimate > goal of Self-Realization it teaches us the nature of the world, and > how to understand life and live fully in the best way possible." > > if everything is a quality of Ma,the asuras are too these qualities. > there is no darkness only a lack of light. the name of GOD is the > light. for me the asuras will never be "gone" only my need to slay > them. if i try to kill my enemy he may kill me. if i make him my > friend i have a bigger army to work with. Then i am better able to > do as Amma says and live life fully in the best way possible. > > JAI MA > > > > , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > > > > Hi EC, > > > > Very Tao of you to tell Budha's story. > > > > There is a story about three thieves, three gunas. > > > > Their names are, Rajas, Tamas, and Satva. > > > > One day they were hiding in the forest when and unsuspecting man > walked by. They jumped him, quickly tied him up and took all his > valuables. > > > > Rajas said, "We should kill him so he can't tell anyone about us!" > > > > Tamas said, "No. We should just get out of here and relish in our > loot!" > > > > Satva said, "Maybe we shouldn't take everything, after all he > needs to eat." > > > > The thieves argued a bit more and then walked off into the forest. > > > > An hour later Satva came back and untied the man, appologized and > then ran back into the forest. > > > > The triangle dot yantra represents the balancing of the three > gunas within us, a place where there is very little to disturb our > peace. > > > > Satva is considered to be a more healthy quality than either of > his two brothers, but I feel the message is pretty clear, he's no > better than either of his two brothers, he's still a thief. What's > he steal? Awareness. > > > > The gunas are the first trinity of qualities that needs to be > balanced. The dualities that Budha spoke about to identify the > middle way are also another method of bringing harmony to the mind. > > > > I don't feel balancing the opposites is the final answer. I feel > that balancing hot and cold, love and fear, etc will not give us our > final goal, I believe it merely prepares us for our final journey. > > > > Mother consciousness is beyond the dualistic aspects and the > triple qualities of Maya. She causes us to rise above it all by > removing the concepts from our minds. > > > > You are right, they are not ugly or pretty (we just see them that > way) and they must be accepted at face value, seen for what they > are, and loved as part of us and part of her. But, I fully believe > they are to be sacrificed to Maa if we desire enlightenment. > > > > Just like Satya Vrat had to pray for Saraswati to remove his > curse, our minds, no matter how powerful and good they are must let > consciousness slay our asuras. > > > > To summarize: yes we must accept the Asuras, but we must also > release them to Maa's arms, mace, bow, shakti, or discuss etc to be > free of them. Once they are gone, there is no path on which to walk > only Oneness. > > > > Thanks for responding. > > > > Brian > > > > > > _____________ > > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 EC, I said, "Mother consciousness is beyond the dualistic aspects and the triple qualities of Maya. She causes us to rise above it all by removing the concepts from our minds." You said, "it seems 'Mother consciousness' doesn't know the very concepts you are trying to slay? to me that's like Bush going to war for peace." I didn't say She doesn't know them. I said She is beyond them. You said, "if everything is a quality of Ma, the asuras are too these qualities. there is no darkness only a lack of light. the name of GOD is the light. for me the asuras will never be 'gone' only my need to slay them. if i try to kill my enemy he may kill me. if i make him my friend i have a bigger army to work with. Then i am better able to do as Amma says and live life fully in the best way possible." Asuras are negative qualities of mind that are in opposition to our becoming self aware. Maa, Vishnu, Shiva, or consciousness (what ever you call her) offers to let these negative aspects back into her graces time and time again, and time and time again they refuse. Kamsa (from the story of Krishna) was given many chances to throw himself at the mercy of God, but each time he refused. Ultimately We must accept them for what they are and proclaim, "they are blocking my path to you oh Mother! Please take them away." OM HRIM SHRIM DUM DURGAYE SWAHA. At some point, the Swaha (I am one with God) becomes real. However I take your point to heart. In truth all asuras are also God. All matter is God, all light is God, all lack of light is God, all people, places, things, happenings, etc etc etc are God. Until we realize that truth (instead of intelectualizing about it like we are) we are self limited by their presence in our minds. That's why they must go. Only a surrendered mind will allow consciousness. And that's why Kali, Durga, and the myriad of other goddess' come together to form Chandi, "she who tears apart thought." Brian _____________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Chris Very good description Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Namaste to everyone, Remember in the Chandi that when Divine Mother slays a thought it automatically attains liberation. Chapter 4 verse 19: Why is it that your one glance does not reduce all thoughts to ashes? So that being purified by the weapons these thoughts may be raised to the higher worlds. You are so benevolent that you think f or the welfare of even your enemies. Swamiji says that when the thoughts are cut down by the sword of wisdom, the pike of concentration, the arrows of speech the club of articulation of mantras, the thoughts are purified and they all go to the higher worlds and get liberated. What a compassionate Mother we have. Therefore All the Gods in chapter 4 sing a hymm of praise to the Divine Mother. Chapter 4 Verse 17: Who is like you, oh Dispeller of Poverty, Pain, and Fear, whose sympathetic demeanor always extends compassionate assistance to everyone? Reminds me of the the teachings of Jesus,too. , "Karen Borak" <karenborak@e...> wrote: > Namaste ALL esp EC, > > I was thinking about what you wrote, "mabybe they should not be slayed but rather they are our friends. like guard rails on the side of the road. they are not there for us to crash our car into. their purpose is to keep us in the middle of our path." Maybe the idea of killing asuras (negativities) can be viewed also as neutralizing them in some way. Maybe this might be "turning the other cheek." Maybe there are various perspectives. Making peace with the enemy is one way to overcome him. The guard rail analogy is a good one. EC, you sure do provide lots to think about in your postings! > > Namaste, > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Thanks Parv. May she bless us as much as she blesses the Asuras. Bri At 11:39 PM 9/13/2004, you wrote: >Namaste to everyone, > >Remember in the Chandi that when Divine Mother slays a >thought it automatically attains liberation. > >Chapter 4 verse 19: Why is it that your one glance does not >reduce all thoughts to ashes? So that being purified by the >weapons these thoughts may be raised to the higher worlds. >You are so benevolent that you think f or the welfare of even >your enemies. > >Swamiji says that when the thoughts are cut down by the sword >of wisdom, the pike of concentration, the arrows of speech the >club of articulation of mantras, the thoughts are purified and >they all go to the higher worlds and get liberated. > >What a compassionate Mother we have. Therefore All the >Gods in chapter 4 sing a hymm of praise to the Divine Mother. > >Chapter 4 Verse 17: Who is like you, oh Dispeller of Poverty, >Pain, and Fear, whose sympathetic demeanor always extends >compassionate assistance to everyone? > >Reminds me of the the teachings of Jesus,too. > > > > >, "Karen Borak" ><karenborak@e...> wrote: > > Namaste ALL esp EC, > > > > I was thinking about what you wrote, "mabybe they should not >be slayed but rather they are our friends. like guard rails on the >side of the road. they are not there for us to crash our car into. >their purpose is to keep us in the middle of our path." Maybe the >idea of killing asuras (negativities) can be viewed also as >neutralizing them in some way. Maybe this might be "turning the >other cheek." Maybe there are various perspectives. Making >peace with the enemy is one way to overcome him. The guard >rail analogy is a good one. EC, you sure do provide lots to think >about in your postings! > > > > Namaste, > > Karen Links > > > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release 9/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release 9/10/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 so remarkable this way, in which all are seen as beings, not only gods, but thoughts too. , "parv108" <parv108> wrote: > Namaste to everyone, > > Remember in the Chandi that when Divine Mother slays a > thought it automatically attains liberation. > > Chapter 4 verse 19: Why is it that your one glance does not > reduce all thoughts to ashes? So that being purified by the > weapons these thoughts may be raised to the higher worlds. > You are so benevolent that you think f or the welfare of even > your enemies. > > Swamiji says that when the thoughts are cut down by the sword > of wisdom, the pike of concentration, the arrows of speech the > club of articulation of mantras, the thoughts are purified and > they all go to the higher worlds and get liberated. > > What a compassionate Mother we have. Therefore All the > Gods in chapter 4 sing a hymm of praise to the Divine Mother. > > Chapter 4 Verse 17: Who is like you, oh Dispeller of Poverty, > Pain, and Fear, whose sympathetic demeanor always extends > compassionate assistance to everyone? > > Reminds me of the the teachings of Jesus,too. > > > > > , "Karen Borak" > <karenborak@e...> wrote: > > Namaste ALL esp EC, > > > > I was thinking about what you wrote, "mabybe they should not > be slayed but rather they are our friends. like guard rails on the > side of the road. they are not there for us to crash our car into. > their purpose is to keep us in the middle of our path." Maybe the > idea of killing asuras (negativities) can be viewed also as > neutralizing them in some way. Maybe this might be "turning the > other cheek." Maybe there are various perspectives. Making > peace with the enemy is one way to overcome him. The guard > rail analogy is a good one. EC, you sure do provide lots to think > about in your postings! > > > > Namaste, > > Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Namaste ALL esp Parvati, Such an important reminder that you offer. Something that may have been forgotten. The slaying to the thoughts in the Chandi is not really killing them; it's freeing them, transforming them. Chandi shows us a compassionate Mother, not a killer or punisher. I am glad you remind us of Jesus, too, and make that comparison. When you once said that the scripture part of the homa could be from the Bible, I was so happy! You are a very great jump-starter. Namaste, Karen - parv108 Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:39 AM Re: Asuras #1: Asiloma Namaste to everyone,Remember in the Chandi that when Divine Mother slays a thought it automatically attains liberation. Chapter 4 verse 19: Why is it that your one glance does not reduce all thoughts to ashes? So that being purified by the weapons these thoughts may be raised to the higher worlds. You are so benevolent that you think f or the welfare of even your enemies.Swamiji says that when the thoughts are cut down by the sword of wisdom, the pike of concentration, the arrows of speech the club of articulation of mantras, the thoughts are purified and they all go to the higher worlds and get liberated.What a compassionate Mother we have. Therefore All the Gods in chapter 4 sing a hymm of praise to the Divine Mother.Chapter 4 Verse 17: Who is like you, oh Dispeller of Poverty, Pain, and Fear, whose sympathetic demeanor always extends compassionate assistance to everyone?Reminds me of the the teachings of Jesus,too., "Karen Borak" <karenborak@e...> wrote:> Namaste ALL esp EC,> > I was thinking about what you wrote, "mabybe they should not be slayed but rather they are our friends. like guard rails on the side of the road. they are not there for us to crash our car into. their purpose is to keep us in the middle of our path." Maybe the idea of killing asuras (negativities) can be viewed also as neutralizing them in some way. Maybe this might be "turning the other cheek." Maybe there are various perspectives. Making peace with the enemy is one way to overcome him. The guard rail analogy is a good one. EC, you sure do provide lots to think about in your postings!> > Namaste,> Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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