Digest Number 444

[Guest guest]

Karen wrote:

Can those who have not realized the Supreme Self perceive the oneness

of all beings? Is perception the same as realization or is

perception the intellectual attempt to understand?

Dear Karen,

 

What a powerful question, and I can't answer from the point of view of

realized beings, but only from my own experience. Perception/belief

shape experience; experience shapes perception/belief. I would say I

am very far from being a self realized person (no, Self Deprecation

is not speaking just my truth), yet over the course of my life I have

had a number of experiences where I either experienced everyone and

everything as Divine or where I experienced all of this as One ~ both

are the same experience, I think.

 

These experiences, I believe have been gifts to me, to show me that

Loving Oneness, which I sorely needed. Having these experiences has

also kept me on my path of spiritual seeking, so in this way they are

so helpful.

 

Once, while driving my car (in Oregon), I was moved to jump out of the

car and run into a cornfield, and I started picking up dried leaves

(to make handmade paper). Sometime during this process, the feeling

of Oneness came over me. It may seem silly to feel One with a field

of corn, but this was a very profound experience for me, one that

left me crying and on my knees thanking God(dess). I don't regard

these experiences as mood making because I don't cause them to

happen; they alway come over me, and it is a complete surprise but

one for which I am so very greatful. I have experienced this on the

subway when I lived in the DC area, where all the people became

shining manifestations of the Divine.

 

So I don't think it is only self realized people who have these

experiences. Perhaps it is that, for most of us the experience may be

fleeting and may happen only once in a great while (even for which I

am most greatful) while, for a self realized person, that person is

always abiding in a state of being/perception that all is One. And,

of course, this is only IMHO.

Jai Maa ~ Linda

[Guest guest]

pranams that is seeing god!

 

, nierika@a... wrote:

>

> Karen wrote:

>

> Can those who have not realized the Supreme Self perceive the

oneness of all

> beings? Is perception the same as realization or is perception

the

> intellectual attempt to understand?

>

>

> Dear Karen,

>

> What a powerful question, and I can't answer from the point of

view of

> realized beings, but only from my own experience.

Perception/belief shape

> experience; experience shapes perception/belief. I would say I am

very far from being

> a self realized person (no, Self Deprecation is not speaking just

my truth),

> yet over the course of my life I have had a number of experiences

where I

> either experienced everyone and everything as Divine or where I

experienced all

> of this as One ~ both are the same experience, I think.

>

> These experiences, I believe have been gifts to me, to show me

that Loving

> Oneness, which I sorely needed. Having these experiences has also

kept me on

> my path of spiritual seeking, so in this way they are so helpful.

>

> Once, while driving my car (in Oregon), I was moved to jump out of

the car

> and run into a cornfield, and I started picking up dried leaves

(to make

> handmade paper). Sometime during this process, the feeling of

Oneness came over

> me. It may seem silly to feel One with a field of corn, but this

was a very

> profound experience for me, one that left me crying and on my

knees thanking

> God(dess). I don't regard these experiences as mood making because

I don't cause

> them to happen; they alway come over me, and it is a complete

surprise but

> one for which I am so very greatful. I have experienced this on

the subway

> when I lived in the DC area, where all the people became shining

manifestations

> of the Divine.

>

> So I don't think it is only self realized people who have these

experiences.

> Perhaps it is that, for most of us the experience may be fleeting

and may

> happen only once in a great while (even for which I am most

greatful) while,

> for a self realized person, that person is always abiding in a

state of

> being/perception that all is One. And, of course, this is only

IMHO.

> Jai Maa ~ Linda