Pain is the lesson ... Pleasure is the examination

[Guest guest]

Swamiji said that "Pain is the lesson ... Pleasure is the

examination "

 

What do we learn from pain ? And why do we many times forget the

lesson during pleasure?

 

Can people introspect and share the lessons they have learned from

pain ?

 

Jai Maa

Latha

[Guest guest]

latha i will try and think on this in terms of what swamiji is

saying here as best as i understand it. i could be completely wrong

i will just interpret as i have not heard much from him on this

topic.

 

the please is the examination. this we think we understand. the

pleasure is the insight into reality, ourselves. this is related to

bliss. we are removed from pain, and gratified on some level. we are

experiencing the joys of understanding.

 

but pain! this is the instigator!

 

pain can tell us relatively simple things, like don't jump off the

roof. both extreme physical pain as well as amorphous emotional pain

have a lot of power to instruct but grasping the lesson is not

always easy or immediate.

 

we are making a mistake if we believe, spiritual life is only

pleasure, or, without bliss we are lost. there must be a beacon that

continues to flash even in storms of pain.

 

pain is a great delimiter. i can go only so far. but then, maybe i

can go farther. this is managing pain, or testing pain.

 

extreme pain shakes me, i no longer no what i can handle, and i

learn, i am a pebble in a limitless universe.

 

that i can say any of this at all, is the pleasure part.

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> Swamiji said that "Pain is the lesson ... Pleasure is the

> examination "

>

> What do we learn from pain ? And why do we many times forget the

> lesson during pleasure?

>

> Can people introspect and share the lessons they have learned from

> pain ?

>

> Jai Maa

> Latha

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/18/04 8:41:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lathananda writes:

Swamiji said that "Pain is the lesson ... Pleasure is the examination "

Yogar Swamigal of Sri Lanka said "Everyone suffers, has pain. People have pain in order to

get benefit. Suffering means that they are being examined for benefit."

After reading the posting from Lathanandaji last night and remembering

the posting from Yogar Swamigal above the following are my

impressions.

Pain and pleasure seem universal in this world. If one had to choose

a favorite, it would

probably be pleasure. My first recollected encounter with pain was intense inner ear

problems around the physical ages of 6, 7 and 8 years old. After

missing many months of

school and having to repeat first grade a lesson was learned, introspection and observation.

This did not mean the end of pain, mistakes or lessons to learn (some over and over),

however the tools were now available and this led to no one to blame

through recognition of

karma and reincarnation. Then the prayers started in earnest, after all what was set in

motion in this life and previous lives ? Tapas, apologies, and blessings.

Om Namah Sivaya

Kanda

>From the observing point of The doctors tried many things that did not work.

[Guest guest]

i have too many lessons (from pain) to recount here. interestingly,

when i think of pain my first thought is of emotional pain. i cannot

understand the lessons of physical pain and do not know if what i

think applies to that. but i know that pain is necessary because

without it we might not learn. it wakes us up, brings our attention

to the now moment. without pain we would not be stimulated to grow. a

life of pleasure would yield no real lessons. i like swamiji's

definition that pleasure is the examination. wow. never looked at it

that way before.

Be Love,

Berijoy

http://www.egyirba.net

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"Latha Nanda" <lathananda >

Sat, Sep-18-2004 7:17 PM

Pain is the lesson ... Pleasure is the

examinationSwamiji said that "Pain is the lesson ... Pleasure is the

examination "What do we learn from pain ? And why do we many times

forget the lesson during pleasure?Can people introspect and share the

lessons they have learned from pain ?Jai MaaLatha

[Guest guest]

Tapas, apologies, and blessings ... sounds like real humility.

 

I was curious about Yogar Swamigal so i went here;

 

http://www.mountainman.com.au/yswami_0.html

 

steve

 

 

, kandaaran@a... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 9/18/04 8:41:41 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

> lathananda writes:

>

> Swamiji said that "Pain is the lesson ... Pleasure is the

> examination "

>

>

>

> Yogar Swamigal of Sri Lanka said "Everyone suffers, has pain.

People have

> pain in order to

> get benefit. Suffering means that they are being examined for

benefit."

>

> After reading the posting from Lathanandaji last night and

remembering the

> posting from Yogar Swamigal above the following are my impressions.

>

> Pain and pleasure seem universal in this world. If one had to

choose a

> favorite, it would

> probably be pleasure. My first recollected encounter with pain

was intense

> inner ear

> problems around the physical ages of 6, 7 and 8 years old.

After missing

> many months of

> school and having to repeat first grade a lesson was learned,

introspection

> and observation.

>

> This did not mean the end of pain, mistakes or lessons to learn

(some over

> and over),

> however the tools were now available and this led to no one to

blame through

> recognition of

> karma and reincarnation. Then the prayers started in earnest,

after all

> what was set in

> motion in this life and previous lives ? Tapas, apologies, and

blessings.

>

> Om Namah Sivaya

>

> Kanda

>

From the observing point of The doctors tried many things that did

not work.