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Question from Kalachandra:

The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam Rahasyam

(from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does this

mean that we should position the deities in our homes as described

in the Rahasyam ?

 

Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

 

Swamiji's response :

It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we want

to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make our

worship a burden.

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you see a lot of sensitivity in his answer regarding not making

worship a burden.

 

s

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

>

>

> Question from Kalachandra:

> The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam Rahasyam

> (from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does this

> mean that we should position the deities in our homes as described

> in the Rahasyam ?

>

> Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

> home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

>

> Swamiji's response :

> It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we

want

> to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make our

> worship a burden.

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Hi Steve,

In November 2001, Swamiji and Shree Maa and some of the family came

down to Palm Springs for a big Yoga Conference. They did satsang on

Friday night and then Swamiji taught two classes on Saturday. It was

wonderful!

I asked him if I could talk to him about my altar. He said

“certainly.” I said “my altar is not exactly like

yours (The Cosmic Altar). He said “I wouldn’t expect it

to be. Your altar is your personal expression.” I described

my altar to him. He said “well, you certainly have a lot to

work with.”

Later, he came up to me and said “our altars are where we go to

get into an altered state.” and gave me one of his delicious

smiles.

What a teacher!

Ardis

you see a lot of sensitivity in his answer regarding not making

worship a burden.

s

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

>

>

> Question from Kalachandra:

> The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam Rahasyam

> (from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does this

> mean that we should position the deities in our homes as described

> in the Rahasyam ?

>

> Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

> home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

>

> Swamiji's response :

> It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we

want

> to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make our

> worship a burden.

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yes. i never saw him smile. maybe some day. he keeps his mind on the

purpose of things not the outer form. even though he's pretty good

at outer form [understatement.] and he does not contribute to making

one feeling inadequate in any way, instead, he inspires you.

 

guru gita: your soul is the soul of the world. meditate on the guru

as one's body. profound translations.

 

any more stories, i'm interested!

 

s

 

, Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...>

wrote:

> > Hi Steve,

> >

> > In November 2001, Swamiji and Shree Maa and some of the family

came down to

> > Palm Springs for a big Yoga Conference. They did satsang on

Friday night and

> > then Swamiji taught two classes on Saturday. It was wonderful!

> >

> > I asked him if I could talk to him about my altar. He said

³certainly.² I

> > said ³my altar is not exactly like yours (The Cosmic Altar).

He

said ³I

> > wouldn¹t expect it to be. Your altar is your personal

expression.² I

> > described my altar to him. He said ³well, you certainly have

a

lot to work

> > with.²

> >

> > Later, he came up to me and said ³our altars are where we go

to

get into an

> > altered state.² and gave me one of his delicious smiles.

> >

> > What a teacher!

> >

> > Ardis

> >

> > you see a lot of sensitivity in his answer regarding not making

> > worship a burden.

> >

> > s

> >

> > , "Latha Nanda"

<lathananda>

> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Question from Kalachandra:

> >> > The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam

Rahasyam

> >> > (from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does

this

> >> > mean that we should position the deities in our homes as

described

> >> > in the Rahasyam ?

> >> >

> >> > Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

> >> > home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

> >> >

> >> > Swamiji's response :

> >> > It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we

> > want

> >> > to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make

our

> >> > worship a burden.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Yes,

 

Those who've had the privilege of spending time with Maa and Swamiji

are truly blessed.

 

Chris

 

 

, "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote:

>

>

> yes. i never saw him smile. maybe some day. he keeps his mind on the

> purpose of things not the outer form. even though he's pretty good

> at outer form [understatement.] and he does not contribute to making

> one feeling inadequate in any way, instead, he inspires you.

>

> guru gita: your soul is the soul of the world. meditate on the guru

> as one's body. profound translations.

>

> any more stories, i'm interested!

>

> s

>

> , Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...>

> wrote:

> > > Hi Steve,

> > >

> > > In November 2001, Swamiji and Shree Maa and some of the family

> came down to

> > > Palm Springs for a big Yoga Conference. They did satsang on

> Friday night and

> > > then Swamiji taught two classes on Saturday. It was wonderful!

> > >

> > > I asked him if I could talk to him about my altar. He said

> ³certainly.² I

> > > said ³my altar is not exactly like yours (The Cosmic Altar).

> He

> said ³I

> > > wouldn¹t expect it to be. Your altar is your personal

> expression.² I

> > > described my altar to him. He said ³well, you certainly have

> a

> lot to work

> > > with.²

> > >

> > > Later, he came up to me and said ³our altars are where we go

> to

> get into an

> > > altered state.² and gave me one of his delicious smiles.

> > >

> > > What a teacher!

> > >

> > > Ardis

> > >

> > > you see a lot of sensitivity in his answer regarding not making

> > > worship a burden.

> > >

> > > s

> > >

> > > , "Latha Nanda"

> <lathananda>

> > > wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > Question from Kalachandra:

> > >> > The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam

> Rahasyam

> > >> > (from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does

> this

> > >> > mean that we should position the deities in our homes as

> described

> > >> > in the Rahasyam ?

> > >> >

> > >> > Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

> > >> > home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

> > >> >

> > >> > Swamiji's response :

> > >> > It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we

> > > want

> > >> > to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make

> our

> > >> > worship a burden.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sponsor

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Yes,

 

This reminds me of his reply to Latha when she asked him if we had to

chant a certain passage of the Chandi after another (or others), and

he said "It is a privilege to chant."

 

Sometimes (more often than I'd like to admit) it is a challenge to

remain connected on an emotional level to my chanting. It often seems

like a burden. It is a struggle for me. I think there is a fine line,

up until a certian point in one's development, between tapas and love

of practice, the emotional connection with the shakti of the mantras.

Too much tapas, and practice becomes all about that, and the

connection with the divine suffers.

 

Chris

 

 

, "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote:

>

>

> you see a lot of sensitivity in his answer regarding not making

> worship a burden.

>

> s

>

> , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Question from Kalachandra:

> > The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam Rahasyam

> > (from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does this

> > mean that we should position the deities in our homes as described

> > in the Rahasyam ?

> >

> > Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

> > home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

> >

> > Swamiji's response :

> > It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we

> want

> > to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make our

> > worship a burden.

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i think more often than not, people suffer from trying to stick to

external form over the inner impulse. eternal perfection. it is an

amazing concept. we are evolving endlessly. there is no one

objective that is final i can see from here. as we move closer it

widens and becomes at once closer and even more remote.

 

even as swamiji and shree maa teach an enormous number of practices,

and their own example is of a great will, i do not believe that will

alone suffices, or is their intention for us to learn. we are

vulnerable beings. one's spiritual goal is not to be a superman or

superwoman.

 

it's all internal. we need to be able to operate from there more and

more. good thoughts. everything follows from this internal. the

association with sangha influences those good thoughts and they

emerge as actions which influence the thoughts of others.

 

swamiji also said: "sadhana expands and contracts." this means, like

all of nature, it has phases; like breathing. we adjust; even our

interest changes scope and quality; we are not robots, although we

might be as consistent as we can in our efforts.

 

some of us are more physical than others. that physical gesture of

the puja for example brings into line the thoughts. but even then,

perhaps it does not. what then?

 

in my mind, to make a single gesture of giving a leaf with the heart

is better than 9 million japas without any feeling or zest. but even

here one can be wrong, and all those mantras were said to loosen

some calcification of the spiritual being. like ranamkrishan said,

about the householder having to lift up a heavy rock.

 

sometimes it's hard. sometimes it's easy. every moment sadhana is

different. but we are moving somehow towards the light, sometimes

like a winner, sometimes like a lost butterfly, sometimes it feels

great, sometimes it hurts. sometimes we feel alone, other times

lifted by a group. all this is the maya or god's will we must suffer

or enjoy as however best we can. our patient soul. om jai om jai om

jai. love to all.

 

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956> wrote:

>

>

> Yes,

>

> This reminds me of his reply to Latha when she asked him if we had

to

> chant a certain passage of the Chandi after another (or others),

and

> he said "It is a privilege to chant."

>

> Sometimes (more often than I'd like to admit) it is a challenge to

> remain connected on an emotional level to my chanting. It often

seems

> like a burden. It is a struggle for me. I think there is a fine

line,

> up until a certian point in one's development, between tapas and

love

> of practice, the emotional connection with the shakti of the

mantras.

> Too much tapas, and practice becomes all about that, and the

> connection with the divine suffers.

>

> Chris

>

>

> , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > you see a lot of sensitivity in his answer regarding not making

> > worship a burden.

> >

> > s

> >

> > , "Latha Nanda"

<lathananda>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Question from Kalachandra:

> > > The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam

Rahasyam

> > > (from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does

this

> > > mean that we should position the deities in our homes as

described

> > > in the Rahasyam ?

> > >

> > > Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

> > > home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

> > >

> > > Swamiji's response :

> > > It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we

> > want

> > > to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make

our

> > > worship a burden.

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Steve,

 

Yes, it's interesting, this inner/outer polarity. I come from a

tradition that stresses knowledge (theory and practice) and internal

methods of practice over external. Rituals, if they were there at all,

were internal.

 

At the Mandir, or course, most everything is externally oriented,

ritual. Words are spoken aloud, offerings are actual food and other

items, baths are given to murtiis. But whenever Swamiji or Maa talk

about the path, do they talk about the proper way to present a flower,

or bathe the murtii? No, they emphasize the internal aspect, the

respect, the attention, the love. "It's about a love affair," Swamiji

says.

 

I have heard it said that this distinction between inner and outer is

a false dichotomy, that it does not exist. There is no difference. My

mind and heart cannot encompass this idea yet, but I suspect that when

they finally can my world will never be the same again.

 

Chris

 

, "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote:

>

>

> i think more often than not, people suffer from trying to stick to

> external form over the inner impulse. eternal perfection. it is an

> amazing concept. we are evolving endlessly. there is no one

> objective that is final i can see from here. as we move closer it

> widens and becomes at once closer and even more remote.

>

> even as swamiji and shree maa teach an enormous number of practices,

> and their own example is of a great will, i do not believe that will

> alone suffices, or is their intention for us to learn. we are

> vulnerable beings. one's spiritual goal is not to be a superman or

> superwoman.

>

> it's all internal. we need to be able to operate from there more and

> more. good thoughts. everything follows from this internal. the

> association with sangha influences those good thoughts and they

> emerge as actions which influence the thoughts of others.

>

> swamiji also said: "sadhana expands and contracts." this means, like

> all of nature, it has phases; like breathing. we adjust; even our

> interest changes scope and quality; we are not robots, although we

> might be as consistent as we can in our efforts.

>

> some of us are more physical than others. that physical gesture of

> the puja for example brings into line the thoughts. but even then,

> perhaps it does not. what then?

>

> in my mind, to make a single gesture of giving a leaf with the heart

> is better than 9 million japas without any feeling or zest. but even

> here one can be wrong, and all those mantras were said to loosen

> some calcification of the spiritual being. like ranamkrishan said,

> about the householder having to lift up a heavy rock.

>

> sometimes it's hard. sometimes it's easy. every moment sadhana is

> different. but we are moving somehow towards the light, sometimes

> like a winner, sometimes like a lost butterfly, sometimes it feels

> great, sometimes it hurts. sometimes we feel alone, other times

> lifted by a group. all this is the maya or god's will we must suffer

> or enjoy as however best we can. our patient soul. om jai om jai om

> jai. love to all.

>

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Yes,

> >

> > This reminds me of his reply to Latha when she asked him if we had

> to

> > chant a certain passage of the Chandi after another (or others),

> and

> > he said "It is a privilege to chant."

> >

> > Sometimes (more often than I'd like to admit) it is a challenge to

> > remain connected on an emotional level to my chanting. It often

> seems

> > like a burden. It is a struggle for me. I think there is a fine

> line,

> > up until a certian point in one's development, between tapas and

> love

> > of practice, the emotional connection with the shakti of the

> mantras.

> > Too much tapas, and practice becomes all about that, and the

> > connection with the divine suffers.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> >

> > , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > you see a lot of sensitivity in his answer regarding not making

> > > worship a burden.

> > >

> > > s

> > >

> > > , "Latha Nanda"

> <lathananda>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Question from Kalachandra:

> > > > The Cosmic Altar has been described in the Vaikritikam

> Rahasyam

> > > > (from the Chandi Path) as the best way to worship her. Does

> this

> > > > mean that we should position the deities in our homes as

> described

> > > > in the Rahasyam ?

> > > >

> > > > Latha adds in : Would you advise us to model our altars at

> > > > home based on the Cosmic Altar ? Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > Swamiji's response :

> > > > It is an extremely sophisticated form of worship. Certainly we

> > > want

> > > > to move in that direction, but don't move so fast as to make

> our

> > > > worship a burden.

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