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Swamiji translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."

 

Mahahanuh is not some part of myself that I can put a finger on. So you

guys have to help me out.

 

Is he deceiving me? Is he deceiving those around me? Just what is the

deception? And why does it exist?

 

If we can't figure this out, we'll have to ask Swamiji just who is this

Mahahanuh...

 

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he has deceived us into thinking we have been deceived ...

 

why this happened we will not know until we are realized again.

 

until then, we can say, the goddess threw us into this, and the

goddess will lift us out again ...

 

grace = krpa, to do and to get ... like the christian version, god

helps those who help themselves ...

 

exactly what the deception is ... the belief we are only these

separated beings, inside this flesh wall, with these feelings and

emotions, and not an emanation of infinite being. fancy words!

until then, we can do our best to honor and respect god, in this way

we look past all asuras, your goddess sees this, and she puts them

down.

 

steve

 

, Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote:

> Swamiji translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."

>

> Mahahanuh is not some part of myself that I can put a finger on.

So you

> guys have to help me out.

>

> Is he deceiving me? Is he deceiving those around me? Just what is

the

> deception? And why does it exist?

>

> If we can't figure this out, we'll have to ask Swamiji just who is

this

> Mahahanuh...

>

> Brian

>

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Great answer, Steve! We don't need to know the answers to everything (as if we

could!)

 

The Great Deceiver for me is the voice that says "oh come on, Ardis. Your

sadhana is not going to make any difference. Why work so hard? Come on... sit on

the couch... have a cookie... and while you're at it, why don't you watch some

TV?" The Great Deceiver is the one that tells me that I don't make any

difference in the Universe; that I am just this mind and body; that I don't even

matter to the Great Mother or my gurus much less that I can Unite with Them.

 

 

Steve Connor <sconnor

Oct 20, 2004 7:45 AM

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he has deceived us into thinking we have been deceived ...<BR>

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why this happened we will not know until we are realized again.<BR>

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until then, we can say, the goddess threw us into this, and the <BR>

goddess will lift us out again ...<BR>

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grace = krpa, to do and to get ... like the christian version, god <BR>

helps those who help themselves ...<BR>

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exactly what the deception is ... the belief we are only these <BR>

separated beings, inside this flesh wall, with these feelings and <BR>

emotions, and not an emanation of infinite being. fancy words! <BR>

until then, we can do our best to honor and respect god, in this way <BR>

we look past all asuras, your goddess sees this, and she puts them <BR>

down.<BR>

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steve<BR>

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> Swamiji translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."<BR>

> <BR>

> Mahahanuh is not some part of myself that I can put a finger on. <BR>

So you <BR>

> guys have to help me out.<BR>

> <BR>

> Is he deceiving me? Is he deceiving those around me? Just what is <BR>

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> deception? And why does it exist?<BR>

> <BR>

> If we can't figure this out, we'll have to ask Swamiji just who is <BR>

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> Mahahanuh...<BR>

> <BR>

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Hello All,

 

I forget where this one is, but whenever I run across it I always

think of the Christian Satan.

 

Despite all the modern notions (fear) about Satan, really, to my

recollection only two attributes are specifically mentioned regarding

him. He has the power to grant earthly pleasures (Jesus in the

desert), and (this is the most often mentioned attribute) he is a

liar. He is called The Deceiver. He is called the Father of Lies, who

lied from the beginning. Sounds a lot like Mahahanuh.

 

Maa has often mentioned the importance of truth as sadhana in the Kali

Yuga. Here is what I believe about truth and lies. If you fall victim

to a lie the truth is obscured for you in that area of knowledge, but

if you lie your ability to perceive truth itself is obscured. Do not

make an ally of Mahahanuh!

 

Chris

, Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote:

> Swamiji translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."

>

> Mahahanuh is not some part of myself that I can put a finger on. So you

> guys have to help me out.

>

> Is he deceiving me? Is he deceiving those around me? Just what is the

> deception? And why does it exist?

>

> If we can't figure this out, we'll have to ask Swamiji just who is this

> Mahahanuh...

>

> Brian

>

>

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What you said is right on. If one lies, their ability to perceive

truth is obscured. We can see examples of this all around us.

When one fails to be in truth, one lies to oneself. This is very

subtle. One can see that when someone is not in truth, they begin to

believe the un truth they have put out there. Since everything

effects everything else, one's un truth can color one's entire

perception of reality in subtle ways. As we know, subtle is more

powerful than obvious. The danger is to fall into the trap of not

being in our truth at all times. It requires constant vigilance -

every moment is an opportunity for practice. Maybe that's why Shree

Maa and Ramakrishna say that truth is the great tapasya for Kali

yuga.

Swami Ji says that a sanyasin is one who "lives truth" - that's the

meaning of sanyas, to live truth. Perhaps Sanyas is the ultimate goal

in the end, but only after we've completed all our duty to family and

humanity. For most of us, that will come toward the end of our

lifetime. But in the meantime, we can assume the attitude of sanyas

and practice "living truth" till we fully embrace it.

Jai Maa!

Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote:

Hello All,I forget where this one is, but whenever I run across it I

alwaysthink of the Christian Satan. Despite all the modern notions

(fear) about Satan, really, to myrecollection only two attributes are

specifically mentioned regardinghim. He has the power to grant earthly

pleasures (Jesus in thedesert), and (this is the most often mentioned

attribute) he is aliar. He is called The Deceiver. He is called the

Father of Lies, wholied from the beginning. Sounds a lot like

Mahahanuh.Maa has often mentioned the importance of truth as sadhana

in the KaliYuga. Here is what I believe about truth and lies. If you

fall victimto a lie the truth is obscured for you in that area of

knowledge, butif you lie your ability to perceive truth itself is

obscured. Do notmake an ally of Mahahanuh!Chris--- In

, Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote:> Swamiji

translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."> > Mahahanuh is

not some part of myself that I can put a finger on. So you > guys have

to help me out.> > Is he deceiving me? Is he deceiving those around

me? Just what is the > deception? And why does it exist?> > If we

can't figure this out, we'll have to ask Swamiji just who is this >

Mahahanuh...> > Brian> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus

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hm ... true to oneself maybe, not to be different in action than

what one really believes, not to even be different in thought than

what one really believes ...

 

, Nirmalananda Saraswati

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> Namaste Chris,

>

> What you said is right on. If one lies, their ability to perceive

truth is obscured. We can see examples of this all around us.

>

> When one fails to be in truth, one lies to oneself. This is very

subtle. One can see that when someone is not in truth, they begin to

believe the un truth they have put out there. Since everything

effects everything else, one's un truth can color one's entire

perception of reality in subtle ways. As we know, subtle is more

powerful than obvious. The danger is to fall into the trap of not

being in our truth at all times. It requires constant vigilance -

every moment is an opportunity for practice. Maybe that's why Shree

Maa and Ramakrishna say that truth is the great tapasya for Kali

yuga.

>

> Swami Ji says that a sanyasin is one who "lives truth" - that's

the meaning of sanyas, to live truth. Perhaps Sanyas is the ultimate

goal in the end, but only after we've completed all our duty to

family and humanity. For most of us, that will come toward the end

of our lifetime. But in the meantime, we can assume the attitude of

sanyas and practice "living truth" till we fully embrace it.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956> wrote:

>

>

> Hello All,

>

> I forget where this one is, but whenever I run across it I always

> think of the Christian Satan.

>

> Despite all the modern notions (fear) about Satan, really, to my

> recollection only two attributes are specifically mentioned

regarding

> him. He has the power to grant earthly pleasures (Jesus in the

> desert), and (this is the most often mentioned attribute) he is a

> liar. He is called The Deceiver. He is called the Father of Lies,

who

> lied from the beginning. Sounds a lot like Mahahanuh.

>

> Maa has often mentioned the importance of truth as sadhana in the

Kali

> Yuga. Here is what I believe about truth and lies. If you fall

victim

> to a lie the truth is obscured for you in that area of knowledge,

but

> if you lie your ability to perceive truth itself is obscured. Do

not

> make an ally of Mahahanuh!

>

> Chris

> , Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote:

> > Swamiji translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."

> >

> > Mahahanuh is not some part of myself that I can put a finger on.

So you

> > guys have to help me out.

> >

> > Is he deceiving me? Is he deceiving those around me? Just what

is the

> > deception? And why does it exist?

> >

> > If we can't figure this out, we'll have to ask Swamiji just who

is this

> > Mahahanuh...

> >

> > Brian

> >

> >

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Nirmala,

 

What you said was very profound.

 

In the end, I think it is the sincere effort, even just the desire,

sometimes, to abide in truth that is important. Living in samsara, in

maya, living under the yoke of the lower ego, it really is impossible

to live entirely in truth...but we try. We look to our examples, in

faith and hope, and we practice, practice practice, and perhaps one

day Truth will become our resting place. Until then, I at least,

muddle along as best I can, trying to remain at peace with myself and

with the world, and pray my mistakes won't be my undoing. Jai Maa!

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

, Nirmalananda Saraswati

<nirmalananda1008> wrote:

> Namaste Chris,

>

> What you said is right on. If one lies, their ability to perceive

truth is obscured. We can see examples of this all around us.

>

> When one fails to be in truth, one lies to oneself. This is very

subtle. One can see that when someone is not in truth, they begin to

believe the un truth they have put out there. Since everything effects

everything else, one's un truth can color one's entire perception of

reality in subtle ways. As we know, subtle is more powerful than

obvious. The danger is to fall into the trap of not being in our truth

at all times. It requires constant vigilance - every moment is an

opportunity for practice. Maybe that's why Shree Maa and Ramakrishna

say that truth is the great tapasya for Kali yuga.

>

> Swami Ji says that a sanyasin is one who "lives truth" - that's the

meaning of sanyas, to live truth. Perhaps Sanyas is the ultimate goal

in the end, but only after we've completed all our duty to family and

humanity. For most of us, that will come toward the end of our

lifetime. But in the meantime, we can assume the attitude of sanyas

and practice "living truth" till we fully embrace it.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956> wrote:

>

>

> Hello All,

>

> I forget where this one is, but whenever I run across it I always

> think of the Christian Satan.

>

> Despite all the modern notions (fear) about Satan, really, to my

> recollection only two attributes are specifically mentioned regarding

> him. He has the power to grant earthly pleasures (Jesus in the

> desert), and (this is the most often mentioned attribute) he is a

> liar. He is called The Deceiver. He is called the Father of Lies, who

> lied from the beginning. Sounds a lot like Mahahanuh.

>

> Maa has often mentioned the importance of truth as sadhana in the Kali

> Yuga. Here is what I believe about truth and lies. If you fall victim

> to a lie the truth is obscured for you in that area of knowledge, but

> if you lie your ability to perceive truth itself is obscured. Do not

> make an ally of Mahahanuh!

>

> Chris

> , Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote:

> > Swamiji translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."

> >

> > Mahahanuh is not some part of myself that I can put a finger on.

So you

> > guys have to help me out.

> >

> > Is he deceiving me? Is he deceiving those around me? Just what is the

> > deception? And why does it exist?

> >

> > If we can't figure this out, we'll have to ask Swamiji just who is

this

> > Mahahanuh...

> >

> > Brian

> >

> >

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I have always been very truthful. Its a quality I inherited from my

earthly mother (and from Maha Maa as well).

But I have found that just because I am truthful doesn't mean that I

always speak the truth, because truth is relative.

So when it comes to defining the word truth, I've changed it to mean "honest intention."

I intend to be truthful.

I think Maa likes that.

Namaste,

Brian

--- On Thu 10/21, Chris Kirner < chriskirner1956 =""> wrote:

Chris Kirner [ chriskirner1956 ]

Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:08:20 -0000

Re: Asura of the Week: Mahahanuh

Nirmala,What you said was very profound.In the end, I think it is the

sincere effort, even just the desire,sometimes, to abide in truth

that is important. Living in samsara, inmaya, living under the yoke

of the lower ego, it really is impossibleto live entirely in

truth...but we try. We look to our examples, infaith and hope, and we

practice, practice practice, and perhaps oneday Truth will become our

resting place. Until then, I at least,muddle along as best I can,

trying to remain at peace with myself andwith the world, and pray my

mistakes won't be my undoing. Jai Maa!Chris --- In

, Nirmalananda Saraswati wrote:> Namaste

Chris,> > What you said is right on. If one lies, their ability to

perceivetruth is obscured. We can see examples of this all around us.

> > When one fails to be in truth, one lies to oneself. This is

verysubtle. One can see that when someone is not in truth, they begin

tobelieve the un truth they have put out there. Since everything

effectseverything else, one's un truth can color one's entire

perception ofreality in subtle ways. As we know, subtle is more

powerful thanobvious. The danger is to fall into the trap of not

being in our truthat all times. It requires constant vigilance -

every moment is anopportunity for practice. Maybe that's why Shree

Maa and Ramakrishnasay that truth is the great tapasya for Kali yuga.

> > Swami Ji says that a sanyasin is one who "lives truth" - that's

themeaning of sanyas, to live truth. Perhaps Sanyas is the ultimate

goalin the end, but only after we've completed all our duty to family

andhumanity. For most of us, that will come toward the end of

ourlifetime. But in the meantime, we can assume the attitude of

sanyasand practice "living truth" till we fully embrace it.> > Jai

Maa!> > Chris Kirner wrote:> > > Hello All,> > I forget where this

one is, but whenever I run across it I always> think of the Christian

Satan. > > Despite all the modern notions (fear) about Satan, really,

to my> recollection only two attributes are specifically mentioned

regarding> him. He has the power to grant earthly pleasures (Jesus in

the> desert), and (this is the most often mentioned attribute) he is

a> liar. He is called The Deceiver. He is called the Father of Lies,

who> lied from the beginning. Sounds a lot like Mahahanuh.> > Maa has

often mentioned the importance of truth as sadhana in the Kali> Yuga.

Here is what I believe about truth and lies. If you fall victim> to a

lie the truth is obscured for you in that area of knowledge, but> if

you lie your ability to perceive truth itself is obscured. Do not>

make an ally of Mahahanuh!> > Chris> --- In

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translates this asura's name as "The Great Deceiver."> > > >

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deceiving those around me? Just what is the > > deception? And why

does it exist?> > > > If we can't figure this out, we'll have to ask

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