Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Dear All, Parvati had brought up this question earlier in the group as well, and we were discussing the definition of "Truth" in our Saturday Online chat on the Guru Gita . Ramakrishna said that living in Truth is great tapasya for the Kali yuga. The question is - What is truth ? JD gave a neat definition - "Truth is that which does not change". What is your definition of truth ? Can you share from your experience ? What have the great masters said about truth ? Can you share anything inspirational said on this subject. I look forward to hearing from you. JAI MAA Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 OK ... What is Truth. Of, course, anyone can say it is whatever they want. But for a sincere seeker, that is not possible. That's who Ramarkrishna is talking for. We don't actually come up with a definition for Truth. Why? Because, it is not within the scope of definitions to describe it. So we can for now only dance around it, do Puja to it, inquire into it. If we say it is to resolve internal inconsistencies, that would be partial, as that is related to the purusha only. We do not want to limit it to any singular realm such as: physical [science]; moral; or even only spiritual. Ultimately we see Truth as a process, until we have either realization in life or realization as the body is dropped. Truth starts out as a speculation. Logic is part of it. We have to test ourselves and our own thoughts. The virtues of spiritual practice refine this wo we become more capable thinkers. This thought is meditation; it is not fragmented, as it is taking us towards unity in our actual experience. The basics: Truth does not fall within definition, as definitions can only "define" something within Infinity. This therefore is not limited to philosophy as the investiation into Truth takes us beyond the scope of language into direct experience of "knowing" Truth. All our spiritual practices and right relationships support that. This truth should not be considered as separate from realization, God, whatever is the Ultimate in our understanding. This is the way to limitless, or eternal, perfection. What does limitless mean? It is undending. In experience we arrive "there" and find ourselves on a summit. Everywhere we look is "away." We are seated on Mt. Kailash. Then we find, Mt. Kailash has moved. It has moved! We must then find Mt. Kailash again. and again. and again. steve , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > Parvati had brought up this question earlier in the group as well, and > we were discussing the definition of "Truth" in our Saturday Online > chat on the Guru Gita . > > Ramakrishna said that living in Truth is great tapasya for the Kali yuga. > > The question is - What is truth ? > > JD gave a neat definition - "Truth is that which does not change". > > What is your definition of truth ? Can you share from your experience > ? What have the great masters said about truth ? Can you share > anything inspirational said on this subject. I look forward to hearing > from you. > > JAI MAA > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 looks like i made up a word: "undending." i meant to say, "unending" but undending can mean "undefined and without end" i guess! who finds the end of the shiva lingam? the true devotee. what is truth? is it a quality or beyond quality? what is the purpose of philosophical discourse? to leave words behind ... dissolving in present awareness ... then what? does one come back and write a book called "This Is The Truth"? ... or, is everything now an unfolding gita, a song? latha's question "what is truth," is itself the process of both jnan and bhav. om! may truth unfold in our hearts and minds, at every possible level. s , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > > > OK ... What is Truth. > > Of, course, anyone can say it is whatever they want. > > But for a sincere seeker, that is not possible. > > That's who Ramarkrishna is talking for. > > We don't actually come up with a definition for Truth. > > Why? > > Because, it is not within the scope of definitions to describe it. > > So we can for now only dance around it, do Puja to it, inquire into > it. > > If we say it is to resolve internal inconsistencies, that would be > partial, as that is related to the purusha only. > > We do not want to limit it to any singular realm such as: physical > [science]; moral; or even only spiritual. > > Ultimately we see Truth as a process, until we have either > realization in life or realization as the body is dropped. > > Truth starts out as a speculation. Logic is part of it. We have to > test ourselves and our own thoughts. > > The virtues of spiritual practice refine this wo we become more > capable thinkers. > > This thought is meditation; it is not fragmented, as it is taking us > towards unity in our actual experience. > > The basics: Truth does not fall within definition, as definitions > can only "define" something within Infinity. > > This therefore is not limited to philosophy as the investiation into > Truth takes us beyond the scope of language into direct experience > of "knowing" Truth. > > All our spiritual practices and right relationships support that. > > This truth should not be considered as separate from realization, > God, whatever is the Ultimate in our understanding. > > This is the way to limitless, or eternal, perfection. What does > limitless mean? > > It is undending. > > In experience we arrive "there" and find ourselves on a summit. > Everywhere we look is "away." We are seated on Mt. Kailash. > > Then we find, Mt. Kailash has moved. It has moved! > > We must then find Mt. Kailash again. > > and again. > > and again. > > steve > > > > > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Parvati had brought up this question earlier in the group as well, > and > > we were discussing the definition of "Truth" in our Saturday Online > > chat on the Guru Gita . > > > > Ramakrishna said that living in Truth is great tapasya for the > Kali yuga. > > > > The question is - What is truth ? > > > > JD gave a neat definition - "Truth is that which does not change". > > > > What is your definition of truth ? Can you share from your > experience > > ? What have the great masters said about truth ? Can you share > > anything inspirational said on this subject. I look forward to > hearing > > from you. > > > > JAI MAA > > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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