Sadhana and its impact on the personality - Another question for the group

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Who you are never changes even if you perform sadhana.

 

Who you think you are changes constantly, and sadhana removes that confusion.

 

 

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> Dear All,

>

> OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

>

> How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

>

> Does it turn an impatient person more patient ? Does it make a

> person prone to violence , less (or remove) violent ? Does it make a

> weak person strong ?

>

> Would it make an ornery person more intelligent ? More creative ?

> More smart ?

>

> Or does sadhana have NOTHING to do with the personality ?

>

> ie - a person continues to be as is - it just fills them with peace

> in mind and heart.

>

> What has been your experience ?

>

> Looks like my experience is just making me have more questions

>

> I look forward to hearing from you.

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> Nanda

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Sadhana reminds you who you are.

 

The Guru's example and satsang help to define your goal.

 

Being in the presence of God purifies the dross elements of the personality.

>

> brian

> 2005/01/28 Fri PM 05:55:42 GMT

>

> Re: Sadhana and its impact on the personality -

> Another question for the group

>

>

Who you are never changes even if you perform sadhana.

Who you think you are changes constantly, and sadhana removes that confusion.

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

>

> How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

>

> Does it turn an impatient person more patient ? Does it make a

> person prone to violence , less (or remove) violent ? Does it make a

> weak person strong ?

>

> Would it make an ornery person more intelligent ? More creative ?

> More smart ?

>

> Or does sadhana have NOTHING to do with the personality ?

>

> ie - a person continues to be as is - it just fills them with peace

> in mind and heart.

>

> What has been your experience ?

>

> Looks like my experience is just making me have more questions

>

> I look forward to hearing from you.

>

> Jai Maa

> Nanda

>

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, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai>

wrote:

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>

> Dear All,

>

> OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

> How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

>muktimaa's answer: " Nandaji,if we are sincere in our

Sadhana, with love in our heart, it most definitely impacts our

personality. It may not be apparent at first, but if we have 'fallen

in love' with our Sadhana, gradually our personalities will undergo

a change."

> Does it turn an impatient person more patient?

 

muktimaa: "Yes, of course,[hopefully] it would most certainly make an

impatient person more patient. It requires patience to sit down and

start practicing in the first place... the more we do it, the more

patient we should hopefully become. Although, it may not always seem

that way, because we can become quite impatient with ourself. But

that is all just the 'background noise'. We have got to get more into

our heart and less in our head. In other words..'we have to lose our

mind.' LOL! Or at least, 'Loose our mind'. i find that more than

anything we have to develop 'Bhakti'. To sincerely feel the love for

God/Goddess, and Guru, and express that love to all beings...serving

the God/Guru within them. It is so important to do our 'Sadhana'

with 'An atitude of gratitude', realizing it is a PRIVILIGE to want

to sit and be with God. i think we shouldn't be so worried about our

personalities. The proof is in the pudding...'Pudding' :<) our whole

hearts and minds on God, saying, 'Here i am, Maa! Thank-you! Thank-

you for this Divine Privilige to WANT to know You! i am Your Beloved

Child, please give me Love for Your Lotus Feet, Maa! And please show

me how i can best serve you.' When we have this kind of SINCERE

attitude, how can we be anything but a DELIGHT..we become filled

with 'DE Light'...and we radiate that Divine Light and Love to every

being who crosses our path. Try not to worry so much! :<) i love you

more than words can say! Jai Maa! Jai Swamiji! Jai Ramakrishna Deva!

muktimaa

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i like how you put that, brian.

>

> Who you are never changes even if you perform sadhana.

>

> Who you think you are changes constantly, and sadhana removes that

> confusion.

--

Be Love

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Dear Muktimaa, maybe for some it takes patience to sit but for me

patience is not a long suit. In fact I have a very short fuse. For me

it is will and desire that has me siting and performing sadhana. , and

the more I do it the move love I feel and so I just want to do some

more....but patience...that I am still waiting for.

As a consequence I am not so sure about the personality changes that do

or do not occur.

and so I find Brians comments truthful though incomplete.

Grace

 

On 29/01/2005, at 5:46 AM, muktimaa wrote:

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>

> , "Nanda" <chandimaakijai>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

> > How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

>

> >muktimaa's answer: " Nandaji,if we are sincere in our

> Sadhana, with love in our heart, it most definitely impacts our

> personality. It may not be apparent at first, but if we have 'fallen

> in love' with our Sadhana, gradually our personalities will undergo

> a change."

>  

> > Does it turn an impatient person more patient?

>

> muktimaa: "Yes, of course,[hopefully] it would most certainly make an

> impatient person more patient. It requires patience to sit down and

> start practicing in the first place... the more we do it, the more

> patient we should hopefully become. Although, it may not always seem

> that way, because we can become quite impatient with ourself. But

> that is all just the 'background noise'. We have got to get more into

> our heart and less in our head. In other words..'we have to lose our

> mind.' LOL! Or at least, 'Loose our mind'. i find that more than

> anything we have to develop 'Bhakti'. To sincerely feel the love for

> God/Goddess, and Guru, and express that love to all beings...serving

> the God/Guru within them. It is so important to do our 'Sadhana'

> with 'An atitude of gratitude', realizing it is a PRIVILIGE to want

> to sit and be with God. i think we shouldn't be so worried about our

> personalities. The proof is in the pudding...'Pudding' :<) our whole

> hearts and minds on God, saying, 'Here i am, Maa! Thank-you! Thank-

> you for this Divine Privilige to WANT to know You! i am Your Beloved

> Child, please give me Love for Your Lotus Feet, Maa! And please show

> me how i can best serve you.' When we have this kind of SINCERE

> attitude, how can we be anything but a DELIGHT..we become filled

> with 'DE Light'...and we radiate that Divine Light and Love to every

> being who crosses our path. Try not to worry so much! :<) i love you

> more than words can say! Jai Maa! Jai Swamiji! Jai Ramakrishna Deva!

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Dear Ardis- I always learn so much from your insights and words

and those from all of you

Thank you all for sharing the fruits of your practice and grace!

 

Jai Maa Jai Swamiji Jai Jai Jai Jagatambe

 

Gina

 

 

On Jan 28, 2005, at 10:20 AM, <ardis1 wrote:

> Sadhana reminds you who you are.

>

> The Guru's example and satsang help to define your goal.

>

> Being in the presence of God purifies the dross elements of the

> personality.

>>

>> brian

>> 2005/01/28 Fri PM 05:55:42 GMT

>>

>> Re: Sadhana and its impact on the personality -

>> Another question for the group

>>

>>

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> Links

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> Who you are never changes even if you perform sadhana.

>

> Who you think you are changes constantly, and sadhana removes that

> confusion.

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >  Dear All,

> >

> >  OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

> >

> >  How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

> >

> >  Does it turn an impatient person more patient ? Does it make a

> >  person prone to violence , less (or remove) violent ? Does it make

> a

> >  weak person strong ?

> >

> >  Would it make an ornery person more intelligent ? More creative ?

> >  More smart ?

> >

> >  Or does sadhana have NOTHING to do with the personality ?

> >

> >  ie - a person continues to be as is - it just fills them with peace

> >  in mind and heart.

> >

> >  What has been your experience ?

> >

> >  Looks like my experience is just making me have more questions

> >

> >  I look forward to hearing from you.

> >

> >  Jai Maa

> >  Nanda

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Thank you Gina. How are your plans going for your trip to India? I wish I

could have joined you. But my passport has expired. Let us know how it

goes.

 

Love,

 

Ardis

 

on 1/28/05 1:57 PM, Gina Sala at ginasala wrote:

> Dear Ardis- I always learn so much from your insights and words

> and those from all of you

> Thank you all for sharing the fruits of your practice and grace!

>

> Jai Maa Jai Swamiji Jai Jai Jai Jagatambe

>

> Gina

>

>

> On Jan 28, 2005, at 10:20 AM, <ardis1 wrote:

>

>> Sadhana reminds you who you are.

>>

>> The Guru's example and satsang help to define your goal.

>>

>> Being in the presence of God purifies the dross elements of the

>> personality.

>>>

>>> brian

>>> 2005/01/28 Fri PM 05:55:42 GMT

>>>

>>> Re: Sadhana and its impact on the personality -

>>> Another question for the group

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Links

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Who you are never changes even if you perform sadhana.

>>

>> Who you think you are changes constantly, and sadhana removes that

>> confusion.

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   Dear All,

>>>

>>>   OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

>>>

>>>   How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

>>>

>>>   Does it turn an impatient person more patient ? Does it make a

>>>   person prone to violence , less (or remove) violent ? Does it make

>> a

>>>   weak person strong ?

>>>

>>>   Would it make an ornery person more intelligent ? More creative ?

>>>   More smart ?

>>>

>>>   Or does sadhana have NOTHING to do with the personality ?

>>>

>>>   ie - a person continues to be as is - it just fills them with peace

>>>   in mind and heart.

>>>

>>>   What has been your experience ?

>>>

>>>   Looks like my experience is just making me have more questions

>>>

>>>   I look forward to hearing from you.

>>>

>>>   Jai Maa

>>>   Nanda

>>>

>>>

>>>

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Nanda,

 

Hey, you know what? There is truth in jokes. Your experience IS

leading to more questions, or, deeper questions.

 

Here is my answer, based on some real specific experience:

 

"It depends entirely on what sadhana you are doing."

 

If you are doing self-inquiry, or abiding as THAT, etc., you might go

through some very profound spiritual experiences, and at moments be

very peaceful, but the personal hang-ups remain unchanged and will

rise up again during stress.

 

The personal issues need to be transformed DIRECTLY. The qualities you

desire [peace, etc.] must be contemplated either in your self, or in

Chandi, Thakur, etc. In other words, they must be directly perceived.

 

In identity with Self, nothing is perceived, so nothing in terms of

manifestation is cultivated.

 

It is very important for spiritual life to be complete, to work on

personal issues directly. This does not mean psychology, or secular

approaches, but to deploy methods such as prayer, contemplation of

divine qualities, etc.

 

Even then, change is difficult, long, unending, and will be tested.

 

 

 

 

, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

>

> How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

>

> Does it turn an impatient person more patient ? Does it make a

> person prone to violence , less (or remove) violent ? Does it make

a

> weak person strong ?

>

> Would it make an ornery person more intelligent ? More creative ?

> More smart ?

>

> Or does sadhana have NOTHING to do with the personality ?

>

> ie - a person continues to be as is - it just fills them with peace

> in mind and heart.

>

> What has been your experience ?

>

> Looks like my experience is just making me have more questions

>

> I look forward to hearing from you.

>

> Jai Maa

> Nanda

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, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> OK , here is another thing that has been biting me for a long time.

>

> How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak ?

>

> Does it turn an impatient person more patient ? Does it make a

> person prone to violence , less (or remove) violent ? Does it make

a

> weak person strong ?

>

> Would it make an ornery person more intelligent ? More creative ?

> More smart ?

>

> Or does sadhana have NOTHING to do with the personality ?

>

> ie - a person continues to be as is - it just fills them with

peace

> in mind and heart.

>

> What has been your experience ?

>

> Looks like my experience is just making me have more questions

>

> I look forward to hearing from you.

>

> Jai Maa

> Nanda

 

Hello Nanda,

 

Namah Shivaya.

 

Very good questions .... very relevant because there is a large

section of society that expects the same too. I have heard friends

and relatives say "Oh, if you are a follower of such a great Guru

who is reknowned for Her Compassion and Love, then how come you

exhibit such negative qualities as a short temper and anger?" and

then they go to declare or atleast implicitly infer, that if this is

the result (me), then the catalyst (Guru) is not so great after all,

or just a sham! To my mind, that inference brings the greatest

sorrow because it is such a narrow view of anything!

 

In all honesty and in my own experience, I think spiritual sadhana

DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE a direct impact on any external quality you

may possess (like looks, money, smartness, intelligence, creativity

as expressed in wordly activities, etc). It may have an impact

(benefic or malefic) on these attributes, but the exact relation

between the two is too complex for me to understand.

 

But, spiritual sadhana MUST HAVE a direct impact on your spiritual

progress.

 

In either case - material visibility of spiritual sadhana or

spiritual progress-, flow of Grace and the ABILITY TO TAP IT are the

determining factors for an individual's life.

 

Jai Ma!

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Sadhana (spiritual discipline or practices) softens negative

personality tendencies and intensifies positive ones. Sadhana does

not change personality. That would be like expecting sunshine to

change a cactus into a rose. The light of sadhana makes the cactus a

better cactus.

 

BTW, does sadhak mean anyone who is a spiritual practitioner?

Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote: How does Sadhana impact the personality of the Sadhak?