Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Steve wrote: so much work i have taken on, there was no room for seva and sadhana,hardly even any for satsang.s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s!anyway, what i learned is, i wish to hold on to those things dearly,the 3 s's ... but that also i am no superman. render unto ceaser thatwhich is ceaser's etc. Dear Steve ~ I think it is difficult for us householders to always keep up with what we might like to do in terms of seva and sadhana. But another way to look at it is your life is your seva and your sadhana ... how do you respond to that person who gave you a taste of road rage? ... how do you respond to the cranky person at the office .... how do you respond to your day. As you said, we are never separate from the Divine. I believe part of the challenge of a householder, or any sadhuk for that matter, is to see the Divine wherever we are ... for me, the other day I took my Dog, Pepper for a walk, and I was full of Appreciation ~ for my dog, for the grass starting to grow, for the beautiful clouds in the southwestern sky .... all of this is Divine ... even my parents <grin>, whom, some of you know I have had great difficulty with. Here is a little song snippet that kind of expresses what I am getting at: I see It everywhere like a curtain that is hung, or is it just the shadow in my eyes of a day that's long since gone? Or perhaps it's the beginning of a song I haven't sung, but I am like a harp that's newly strung. Blessings, Jai Ma ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 hi linda, i am so happy to hear you are doing so well. check this out, this is real interesting ... The Master Course of Himalayan Academy by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami ~~~~~~~~~ LESSON 308 from Living with Siva Freedom and Responsibility A human being has a dual and nondual component. He has belief. He has faith. He has love. But all of these fine qualities can be taken away through discouragement. His faith is faith in the unseen. His belief is belief in things that are not always intellectually rational. His love is love of all that is tender and beautiful. All of these fine qualities and many more work together in lifting up consciousness toward the ultimate reality of timelessness, causelessness and spacelessness. There is not one human being on the planet who will not eventually understand the monistic theist approach. This is because it is an intrinsic part of the human psyche. Everyone is a monistic theist in one way or another. Historically, there have always been monists on one side and theists on the other. The one path that is made up of these two camps is monistic theism. It encompasses both. And, yes, it is the solution to many of the problems people face today. Saiva Siddhanta is the final conclusion of the adepts, and it includes the true precepts of Vedanta. There can only be one final conclusion, and that is monistic theism. The problem is that Vedanta as taught today gives privilege without the disciplines, creating jnanis of intellect rather than realization. This privilege is taken as a boon by those of little spiritual attainment. Freedom without responsibility is another privilege given. This is also taken advantage of by the undisciplined; whereas discipline and responsibility should be taught and mastered before higher philosophy is delved into and practiced with any seriousness. The beginner should not be taught to rationalize on the nature of man and the universe from what he has memorized. He should be brought into the culture and community of Hinduism and establish a religious, fully committed, disciplined life before proceeding onward. We must become aware that the neo-Indian approach to Vedanta is very new, indeed. The true Vedantists--those who have reached the ultimate realizations--have reached them by following the path of monistic theism. Modern Vedanta gives privilege without discipline, and the modern New Age movement gives freedom without responsibility. Is there a difference? Monistic theism does not give privilege. It preaches a more pragmatic approach to life. Saiva Siddhanta builds character within the individual--spiritually, socially, culturally, economically, karmically and dharmically. Aspirants have to meet a series of daily, monthly, yearly fulfillments. Truly, monistic theism is the path to mukti and merger. The monistic Saiva Siddhanta bhaktar can understand and appreciate the point of view of anyone, because his love of Sivaness in all extends his communication faculties. He is able to talk with each philosopher on his own level. When this happens, the feeling of sharing and giving exists. The bhaktar is wise enough to know that the other person may not understand his point of view. This ability is a great barometer for judging the attainment of any bhaktar, whether he can or cannot actually be one with--in empathy with, in heart and mind, in love and trust--rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, doctor, lawyer, temple priest and in his heart make no differences. This is the true Siva bhaktar; this is the true monistic theist; this is the true Saiva Siddhantin; this is the true Advaita Ishvaravada adept, who lives the statement, "Lord Siva is the Life within the life of everyone," as a fact, not a metaphor. ----------------- ------------------------- Sutra 308 of the Nandinatha Sutras Remolding The Subconscious My devotees succeed by remolding subconscious magnetic forces. They purge the dross through vasana daha tantra--writing and burning past transgressions and current problems--then use positive affirmations. Aum. ----------------- ------------------------- LESSON 308 from Merging with Siva The Devotee's Responsibilities The aspirant may go to his guru and be one with him by preparing himself to receive his grace. As a result he may be able to meditate, to keep his personal karma subdued sufficiently to quiet the inner forces. Once a guru has been chosen, the aspirant must be loyal to him and stay with that one guru only. He should not go from one to another, because of these subtle, powerful inner, connecting vibrations of darshan and the training received through the power of a satguru's use of darshan. These inner, mystical laws protect the guru himself against people who wander from one guru to another, as well as warn the seeker against the fluctuating forces of his own mind as he creates and breaks the subtle yet powerful relationship with a holy person. Satguru darshan opens psychic seals in the devotee by moving his awareness out of an area that he does not want to be in. Similarly, a blowtorch changes the consistency of metal. The satguru is like the sun. He is just there, radiating this very pure energy like the sun evaporates water. The satguru hardly does anything at all. It is the seeker who opens himself to the great accumulated power of darshan which the guru inherited from his guru and his guru's guru, as well as the natural darshan he unfolded from within himself through his evolution and practices of sadhana and tapas. It's all up to the aspirant at first. A satguru doesn't do a thing. The guru can amuse himself externally with anything. It does not make any difference in his darshan when he is at a certain point in his unfoldment. If you are around him long enough, and if you are honest with yourself and persistent in the tasks he asks you to perform and directions he gives you, psychic seals lift after awhile. But you have to do your part. He does his in an inner way, and as he does, you will feel the psychic seals melt away under his fiery darshan, just like a blowtorch penetrates and transforms the metal it touches. , nierika@a... wrote: > > Steve wrote: > > so much work i have taken on, there was no room for seva and sadhana, > hardly even any for satsang. > > s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s! > > anyway, what i learned is, i wish to hold on to those things dearly, > the 3 s's ... but that also i am no superman. render unto ceaser that > which is ceaser's etc. > > > > Dear Steve ~ I think it is difficult for us householders to always keep up > with what we might like to do in terms of seva and sadhana. But another way to > look at it is your life is your seva and your sadhana ... how do you respond > to that person who gave you a taste of road rage? ... how do you respond to > the cranky person at the office ... how do you respond to your day. As you > said, we are never separate from the Divine. I believe part of the challenge of > a householder, or any sadhuk for that matter, is to see the Divine wherever > we are ... for me, the other day I took my Dog, Pepper for a walk, and I was > full of Appreciation ~ for my dog, for the grass starting to grow, for the > beautiful clouds in the southwestern sky ... all of this is Divine .... even my > parents <grin>, whom, some of you know I have had great difficulty with. Here > is a little song snippet that kind of expresses what I am getting at: > I see It everywhere > like a curtain that is hung, > or is it just the shadow in my eyes > of a day that's long since gone? > Or perhaps it's the beginning of > a song I haven't sung, > but I am like a harp > that's newly strung. > > Blessings, Jai Ma ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 I like what he says about sticking with the guru and not wandering to and fro. Sounds like the Chandi doesn’t it? Thanks be to our Gurus who are like the Sun, shining on all equally. Ardis on 2/14/05 1:06 PM, Steve Connor at sconnor (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com wrote: hi linda, i am so happy to hear you are doing so well. check this out, this is real interesting ... The Master Course of Himalayan Academy by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami ~~~~~~~~~ LESSON 308 from Living with Siva Freedom and Responsibility A human being has a dual and nondual component. He has belief. He has faith. He has love. But all of these fine qualities can be taken away through discouragement. His faith is faith in the unseen. His belief is belief in things that are not always intellectually rational. His love is love of all that is tender and beautiful. All of these fine qualities and many more work together in lifting up consciousness toward the ultimate reality of timelessness, causelessness and spacelessness. There is not one human being on the planet who will not eventually understand the monistic theist approach. This is because it is an intrinsic part of the human psyche. Everyone is a monistic theist in one way or another. Historically, there have always been monists on one side and theists on the other. The one path that is made up of these two camps is monistic theism. It encompasses both. And, yes, it is the solution to many of the problems people face today. Saiva Siddhanta is the final conclusion of the adepts, and it includes the true precepts of Vedanta. There can only be one final conclusion, and that is monistic theism. The problem is that Vedanta as taught today gives privilege without the disciplines, creating jnanis of intellect rather than realization. This privilege is taken as a boon by those of little spiritual attainment. Freedom without responsibility is another privilege given. This is also taken advantage of by the undisciplined; whereas discipline and responsibility should be taught and mastered before higher philosophy is delved into and practiced with any seriousness. The beginner should not be taught to rationalize on the nature of man and the universe from what he has memorized. He should be brought into the culture and community of Hinduism and establish a religious, fully committed, disciplined life before proceeding onward. We must become aware that the neo-Indian approach to Vedanta is very new, indeed. The true Vedantists--those who have reached the ultimate realizations--have reached them by following the path of monistic theism. Modern Vedanta gives privilege without discipline, and the modern New Age movement gives freedom without responsibility. Is there a difference? Monistic theism does not give privilege. It preaches a more pragmatic approach to life. Saiva Siddhanta builds character within the individual--spiritually, socially, culturally, economically, karmically and dharmically. Aspirants have to meet a series of daily, monthly, yearly fulfillments. Truly, monistic theism is the path to mukti and merger. The monistic Saiva Siddhanta bhaktar can understand and appreciate the point of view of anyone, because his love of Sivaness in all extends his communication faculties. He is able to talk with each philosopher on his own level. When this happens, the feeling of sharing and giving exists. The bhaktar is wise enough to know that the other person may not understand his point of view. This ability is a great barometer for judging the attainment of any bhaktar, whether he can or cannot actually be one with--in empathy with, in heart and mind, in love and trust--rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, doctor, lawyer, temple priest and in his heart make no differences. This is the true Siva bhaktar; this is the true monistic theist; this is the true Saiva Siddhantin; this is the true Advaita Ishvaravada adept, who lives the statement, "Lord Siva is the Life within the life of everyone," as a fact, not a metaphor. ----------------- ------------------------- Sutra 308 of the Nandinatha Sutras Remolding The Subconscious My devotees succeed by remolding subconscious magnetic forces. They purge the dross through vasana daha tantra--writing and burning past transgressions and current problems--then use positive affirmations. Aum. ----------------- ------------------------- LESSON 308 from Merging with Siva The Devotee's Responsibilities The aspirant may go to his guru and be one with him by preparing himself to receive his grace. As a result he may be able to meditate, to keep his personal karma subdued sufficiently to quiet the inner forces. Once a guru has been chosen, the aspirant must be loyal to him and stay with that one guru only. He should not go from one to another, because of these subtle, powerful inner, connecting vibrations of darshan and the training received through the power of a satguru's use of darshan. These inner, mystical laws protect the guru himself against people who wander from one guru to another, as well as warn the seeker against the fluctuating forces of his own mind as he creates and breaks the subtle yet powerful relationship with a holy person. Satguru darshan opens psychic seals in the devotee by moving his awareness out of an area that he does not want to be in. Similarly, a blowtorch changes the consistency of metal. The satguru is like the sun. He is just there, radiating this very pure energy like the sun evaporates water. The satguru hardly does anything at all. It is the seeker who opens himself to the great accumulated power of darshan which the guru inherited from his guru and his guru's guru, as well as the natural darshan he unfolded from within himself through his evolution and practices of sadhana and tapas. It's all up to the aspirant at first. A satguru doesn't do a thing. The guru can amuse himself externally with anything. It does not make any difference in his darshan when he is at a certain point in his unfoldment. If you are around him long enough, and if you are honest with yourself and persistent in the tasks he asks you to perform and directions he gives you, psychic seals lift after awhile. But you have to do your part. He does his in an inner way, and as he does, you will feel the psychic seals melt away under his fiery darshan, just like a blowtorch penetrates and transforms the metal it touches. , nierika@a... wrote: > > Steve wrote: > > so much work i have taken on, there was no room for seva and sadhana, > hardly even any for satsang. > > s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s! > > anyway, what i learned is, i wish to hold on to those things dearly, > the 3 s's ... but that also i am no superman. render unto ceaser that > which is ceaser's etc. > > > > Dear Steve ~ I think it is difficult for us householders to always keep up > with what we might like to do in terms of seva and sadhana. But another way to > look at it is your life is your seva and your sadhana ... how do you respond > to that person who gave you a taste of road rage? ... how do you respond to > the cranky person at the office ... how do you respond to your day. As you > said, we are never separate from the Divine. I believe part of the challenge of > a householder, or any sadhuk for that matter, is to see the Divine wherever > we are ... for me, the other day I took my Dog, Pepper for a walk, and I was > full of Appreciation ~ for my dog, for the grass starting to grow, for the > beautiful clouds in the southwestern sky ... all of this is Divine .... even my > parents <grin>, whom, some of you know I have had great difficulty with. Here > is a little song snippet that kind of expresses what I am getting at: > I see It everywhere > like a curtain that is hung, > or is it just the shadow in my eyes > of a day that's long since gone? > Or perhaps it's the beginning of > a song I haven't sung, > but I am like a harp > that's newly strung. > > Blessings, Jai Ma ~ Linda Sponsor document.write(' <http://us.ard./SIG=129saiogv/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1108506016/A=2532114/R=1/SIG=12k2ovfob/*http://clk.atdmt.com/NFX/go/yhxxxnfx0020000014nfx/direct/01/&time=1108419616873065> '); <http://us.ard./SIG=129saiogv/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1108506016/A=2532114/R=2/SIG=12k2ovfob/*http://clk.atdmt.com/NFX/go/yhxxxnfx0020000014nfx/direct/01/&time=1108419616873065> / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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