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Dear Group,

 

I following was sent to me by a close friend, his path

is very much different from mine, we worship and

practice very different faiths.... yet the paths are

leading to the same place... the following reminds me

of the veil of maya... lord is the same.

 

Ohm Nama shiva..

 

shashi

 

 

We can have a close, intimate relationship with God!

To enjoy and be assured of God's presence in our

lives, we need to spend time with Him daily,

fellowshipping and growing closer in our understanding

of Him.

 

We can do things to help us experience His presence or

we can do things to hinder that blessing. For example,

if we walk in peace and in the love of God—both

receiving His love for us and allowing it to flow to

others—we experience His presence more.

 

The Lord will teach anyone who truly desires to know

Him how to know Him better. We should find out what

draws us closer to God and do those things.

 

We can veil or block our awareness of God's presence

by following our own fleshly desires and plans without

consulting Him and by striving to make ourselves

acceptable to Him.

 

Our striving should be in seeking God, seeking to know

Him better, to hear His voice more clearly and to walk

in obedience to His instructions.

 

We can experience His presence or the pressures of the

world, His presence or desires of the flesh, His

presence or religious bondage due to legalism. Life

beyond the veil is wonderful...enter in!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The all-new My - What will yours do?

 

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Dear Shashi,

 

Thank you so much for sharing this. I love the statement "The Lord will

teach anyone who truly desires to know Him better. We should find out what

draws us closer to God and do those things."

 

So simple, but so true.

 

Om Namah Shivaya.

 

Ardis

 

 

 

on 2/17/05 2:24 PM, shashi London at shashi_uk wrote:

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>

> Dear Group,

>

> I following was sent to me by a close friend, his path

> is very much different from mine, we worship and

> practice very different faiths.... yet the paths are

> leading to the same place... the following reminds me

> of the veil of maya... lord is the same.

>

> Ohm Nama shiva..

>

> shashi

>

>

> We can have a close, intimate relationship with God!

> To enjoy and be assured of God's presence in our

> lives, we need to spend time with Him daily,

> fellowshipping and growing closer in our understanding

> of Him.

>

> We can do things to help us experience His presence or

> we can do things to hinder that blessing. For example,

> if we walk in peace and in the love of God?both

> receiving His love for us and allowing it to flow to

> others?we experience His presence more.

>

> The Lord will teach anyone who truly desires to know

> Him how to know Him better. We should find out what

> draws us closer to God and do those things.

>

> We can veil or block our awareness of God's presence

> by following our own fleshly desires and plans without

> consulting Him and by striving to make ourselves

> acceptable to Him.

>

> Our striving should be in seeking God, seeking to know

> Him better, to hear His voice more clearly and to walk

> in obedience to His instructions.

>

> We can experience His presence or the pressures of the

> world, His presence or desires of the flesh, His

> presence or religious bondage due to legalism. Life

> beyond the veil is wonderful...enter in!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> The all-new My - What will yours do?

>

>

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Dear Group,

 

Namaste, my name is Robert. I learned of your group through a friend

and until now have just read the postings without ever joining the

group. But this post and the reference to fleshy desires really

struck a cord with me and since you all seem so advanced I must ask

you all a question. I hope it is appropriate. You see I have many

fleshy desires. I love women, everything about them. The fleshy

desires are second to none to me in terms of their power. I think

it is because I have never been a woman in previous lives thus they

are so intriging. I had someone tell me that in order to overcome

my desires I should make my sexual life a puja or prayer. To

visualize my wife as the Holy Mother and during our intimacy imagine

taking in her love when I breathe in and sending it when I breathe

out. All the while repeating the mantra Ram. By doing so I am

bringing God into this act and making it spiritual. There are other

aspects but I am reluctant to go into too much detail.

 

But my question is this. Will this help me to overcome my carnal

desires or would I be better off to do as my Catholic background

would advise and dig a very deep hole, bury it and try to forget

about it. Can you negate and one day eliminate a desire this way?

Or not? Jai Swamiji and Jai Maa. Thank you for your time.

 

Om Shanti,

RN

 

, shashi London <shashi_uk>

wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

>

> I following was sent to me by a close friend, his path

> is very much different from mine, we worship and

> practice very different faiths.... yet the paths are

> leading to the same place... the following reminds me

> of the veil of maya... lord is the same.

>

> Ohm Nama shiva..

>

> shashi

>

>

> We can have a close, intimate relationship with God!

> To enjoy and be assured of God's presence in our

> lives, we need to spend time with Him daily,

> fellowshipping and growing closer in our understanding

> of Him.

>

> We can do things to help us experience His presence or

> we can do things to hinder that blessing. For example,

> if we walk in peace and in the love of God—both

> receiving His love for us and allowing it to flow to

> others—we experience His presence more.

>

> The Lord will teach anyone who truly desires to know

> Him how to know Him better. We should find out what

> draws us closer to God and do those things.

>

> We can veil or block our awareness of God's presence

> by following our own fleshly desires and plans without

> consulting Him and by striving to make ourselves

> acceptable to Him.

>

> Our striving should be in seeking God, seeking to know

> Him better, to hear His voice more clearly and to walk

> in obedience to His instructions.

>

> We can experience His presence or the pressures of the

> world, His presence or desires of the flesh, His

> presence or religious bondage due to legalism. Life

> beyond the veil is wonderful...enter in!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> The all-new My - What will yours do?

>

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Namaste Robert,

 

Sexual desire, which is a power within the body,

effects in a way that is self oriented. The trick is

to flip it around so that the self is taken out of the

picture. Actually the goal of all these sexual

practices is ultimately to become free of all sexual

desire, and become totally pure, without the desire.

The power of it makes the mind self oriented. What I

mean by flipping it around and taking one's self out

of the picture is to be of the attitude "My desire is

only to please my wife". That means not just sexually

pleasing, but giving her a sense of happiness and

fullfilment, and a sense of security, love,

satisfaction with life, etc. In that way the self is

taken out of the picture. This is true tapasya,

because it is an act of great sacrifice - sacrificing

the ego - self. It's not just a homily about being

good, but rather a technique of intense tapasya

(sacrifice).

 

All the spiritual paths are concerned ultimately with

reducing the ego and putting it into it's proper

place. That place of surrender to the supreme IS the

Holy Mother, whether she's called by Durga, Kali, or

Blessed Mary. Sexual practices like the one you

describe are designed to purify the sexual desires, so

yes it can work, but a word of caution - Ramakrishna

said that very few people could be successful in those

practices because thay are so difficult. It is

dangerous (in my humble opinion) to mistake the

supreme Goddess with the woman you are intimate with.

Just see the Divine Mother in your wife and do

everything to make her life happy and safe. And, in

intimacy, try to please HER, and take the self out of

the picture. That's good tapasya!

 

Jai Maa!

--- rnmgold <rnmgold wrote:

>

>

> Dear Group,

>

> Namaste, my name is Robert. I learned of your group

> through a friend

> and until now have just read the postings without

> ever joining the

> group. But this post and the reference to fleshy

> desires really

> struck a cord with me and since you all seem so

> advanced I must ask

> you all a question. I hope it is appropriate. You

> see I have many

> fleshy desires. I love women, everything about

> them. The fleshy

> desires are second to none to me in terms of their

> power. I think

> it is because I have never been a woman in previous

> lives thus they

> are so intriging. I had someone tell me that in

> order to overcome

> my desires I should make my sexual life a puja or

> prayer. To

> visualize my wife as the Holy Mother and during our

> intimacy imagine

> taking in her love when I breathe in and sending it

> when I breathe

> out. All the while repeating the mantra Ram. By

> doing so I am

> bringing God into this act and making it spiritual.

> There are other

> aspects but I am reluctant to go into too much

> detail.

>

> But my question is this. Will this help me to

> overcome my carnal

> desires or would I be better off to do as my

> Catholic background

> would advise and dig a very deep hole, bury it and

> try to forget

> about it. Can you negate and one day eliminate a

> desire this way?

> Or not? Jai Swamiji and Jai Maa. Thank you for

> your time.

>

> Om Shanti,

> RN

>

> , shashi London

> <shashi_uk>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > I following was sent to me by a close friend, his

> path

> > is very much different from mine, we worship and

> > practice very different faiths.... yet the paths

> are

> > leading to the same place... the following reminds

> me

> > of the veil of maya... lord is the same.

> >

> > Ohm Nama shiva..

> >

> > shashi

> >

> >

> > We can have a close, intimate relationship with

> God!

> > To enjoy and be assured of God's presence in our

> > lives, we need to spend time with Him daily,

> > fellowshipping and growing closer in our

> understanding

> > of Him.

> >

> > We can do things to help us experience His

> presence or

> > we can do things to hinder that blessing. For

> example,

> > if we walk in peace and in the love of God—both

> > receiving His love for us and allowing it to flow

> to

> > others—we experience His presence more.

> >

> > The Lord will teach anyone who truly desires to

> know

> > Him how to know Him better. We should find out

> what

> > draws us closer to God and do those things.

> >

> > We can veil or block our awareness of God's

> presence

> > by following our own fleshly desires and plans

> without

> > consulting Him and by striving to make ourselves

> > acceptable to Him.

> >

> > Our striving should be in seeking God, seeking to

> know

> > Him better, to hear His voice more clearly and to

> walk

> > in obedience to His instructions.

> >

> > We can experience His presence or the pressures of

> the

> > world, His presence or desires of the flesh, His

> > presence or religious bondage due to legalism.

> Life

> > beyond the veil is wonderful...enter in!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The all-new My - What will yours do?

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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