Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Hello. I would like to participate in the March 8th Sankalpa. I don't have the Kali puja book, but I can do the Shiva puja and 108 names of Durga. Can I do that twice or is there somewhere that I can print the 108 names of Kali? Also, I live in LA, zip code 90266. What is the best time to recite? Thanks all and Jai Ma!! Saswati Ramaswami On 2/25/05 1:19 PM, "" <> wrote: > > > There are 10 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: 304--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI-- Satguru > brian > 2. Re: 301--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI--Bam Bam Bhole--quick follow up question for > Swamiji > "Mahamuni" <mahamuni > 3. Re: To Ardis on expectations > "Sankar Viswanathan" <sankarrukku > 4. Re: 304--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI-- Satguru > "Sankar Viswanathan" <sankarrukku > 5. Re: Group Sankalpa - March 8th is a BIG day > "Nanda" <chandimaakijai > 6. Re: Re: Group Sankalpa - March 8th is a BIG day > Grace Green <gmgreen108 > 7. Re: 304--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI-- Satguru > Berijoy <berijoy > 8. Re: Re: Group Sankalpa - March 8th is a BIG day > Berijoy <berijoy > 9. Re: Group Sankalpa - March 8th is a BIG day > "rudran2" <stechiekov > 10. Re: Re: To Nanda on inspiring book > Berijoy <berijoy > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:43:38 -0800 (PST) > brian > Re: 304--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI-- Satguru > > > Is the guru insisting on loyalty to God, or to their ego? > > Find the intention of what they say and you'll have your answer. > > Once, at the Mandir someone asked Swamiji, "Why do so many attained holy > men and women come from India and other places to the US only to fall > from their high state because of all the temptation here?" > > (that's a paraphrase of the question by the way) > > Here's a paraphrase of Swamiji's answer: > > "Because they come here as High Guru. Placing themselves up so high above > others that there is only one way they can go, down." > > He continued, "if a person comes here as an equal and expresses himself as > an equal he cannot fall, there is no place to fall." > > Remember what I said in my other post. Our test is to see Guru > consciousness in that apparently imperfect form. They are saints who may > have been clouded by egoic identity or by the karma they have chosen for > themselves. But they are still God and we should treat them as they are. > If we worship them, if we exemplify the perfect devotee, then they have no > choice but to exemplify God consciousness. > > The best way to bring out the best in people is to be devoted to the > consciousness within them. This is even more true for Saints, because they > are more thinly veiled by Maya and thus we can reach them more easilly. > > Great question, thanks for asking. > > Brian > >> Dear Nanda, >> Can you ask Swamiji why so many Gurus insist on loyality and either >> state explicitly or implicitly >> that without this you cannot progress on the spiritual path. >> Jai Maa and Jai Swamiji >> Grace >> >> On 25/02/2005, at 5:08 PM, Nanda wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Question from Christine Radha: >>> Can one have two Satgurus ? I am drawn to both Ammachi and Shree Maa. >>> >>> Swamiji's response: >>> Yes. >>> >>> Question from Nanda: >>> Is the Guru-Disciple relationship cultivated based on disciple doing >>> the sadhana prescribed by the Guru ? Can someone do another sadhana >>> that they feel drawn to and consider you as their Guru ? For >>> example , some people are intimidated by sanskrit chanting but may >>> be drawn to silent meditation or a mantra that they received from >>> someone else. Can they consider you as their Guru ? Thank you for >>> your time. >>> >>> Swamiji's response: >>> Yes. A guru is an example of a quality or attitude we want to >>> practice and perfect in our lives. That will be our sadhana. It does >>> not need to be the sadhana of the Guru. In most cases it is not. It >>> is the attitude of the Guru. >>> >>> It may be the attitude of discipline. It may be the attitude of >>> compassion or love or any other bhava which the Guru exemplifies. It >>> may be the way She cooks or writes or maybe we can't explain it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sponsor >>> >>> >>> <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> >>> <l.gif> >>> >>> Links >>> >>> • >>> / >>> >>> • >>> >>> >>> • Terms of >>> Service. >>> >>> > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:03:24 -0800 > "Mahamuni" <mahamuni > Re: 301--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI--Bam Bam Bhole--quick follow up question > for Swamiji > > Swamiji, > > This is a wonderful explanation. I had just one quick question relating to > it. > > From Your vast experience have You found that all traditions of the Ramayan > have Ba as the first "letter" and Ma and the last? That would be quite > incredible. > > Pranams, > > Surya > - > Nanda > > Wednesday, February 23, 2005 4:20 PM > 301--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI--Bam Bam Bhole > > > > > Question from Rajan: > I would like to know What does "BAM BAM BHOLE" literally mean as > chanted by so many of shiva Ji's followers? > > Swamiji's response: > The first letter of the first word of the Ramayan is Ba, The last > letter of the last word is Ma. Between Ba and Ma is the entire > Ramayan, the praise of Shiva's favorite deity, Vishnu in the form of > Ram. > > Bhole means simple. Shiva's life is simple. It consists of the > praise of Ram. > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. > > > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:58:00 -0000 > "Sankar Viswanathan" <sankarrukku > Re: To Ardis on expectations > > > > Talking about Non attachment I give below an excerpt from the article > by Dadaji which appeared in Values magazine in the 1970s. > > Prathiba - Sahaja - Samarasa > > "There are three Sanskrit words which form much of the essential > structure upon which realisation and liberation depend. They were > much used by Dattatreya and constantly repeated in the Tantrik or non- > Vedic Agamas. Oddly enough, they are rarely used in Hindu life > today, though they exist as words in most Indian dialects. None of > the 3 can be easily translated into a single English word, but > fortunately the language is rich enough to convey the meanings with > even greater intensity. > > Man is born with an instinct for naturalness. He has never forgotten > the days of his primordial perfection except inasmuch as the memory > becomes buried under the artificial superstructures of civilisation > and its artificial concepts. Sahaja means natural. It not only > implies natural on physical and spiritual levels, but on the mystic > level of the miraculous. It means that easy or natural state of > living without planning, design, contriving, seeking, wanting, > striving or intention. > > > What is to come must come of itself. It is the seed which falls to > the ground, becomes seedling, sapling and then a vast shady tree of > which the Pipal or Ashvattha is a classical example and used in > wisdom teaching. The tree grows according to Sahaja, natural and > spontaneous in complete conformity with the Natural Law of the > Universe. Nobody tells it what to do and how to grow. It has no > svadharma or rules, duties and obligations incurred by birth. It has > only svabhava, its own inborn self or essence to guide it. > > > Sahaja is that nature which, when once established, brings the state > of absolute freedom and peace. It is when you are in your natural > state, in the harmony of the Cosmos. It is the balanced reality > between the pairs of opposites. As the Guru of the Bhagavad Gita > says: "The person who has conquered the baser self and has reached to > the level of self mastery: he is at peace, whether it be in cold or > hot, pleasure or pain, honoured or dishonoured." Thus sahaja > expresses one who has reverted to his natural state, free from > conditioning. It typifies the outlook which belongs to the natural, > spontaneous and uninhibited man, free from innate or inherited > defects. " > > Jai MAA !!! > > > > , nierika@a... wrote: >> >> Ardis wrote: >> >> The Hindu concept of ³no attachment² is akin to this. If > you have no >> attachment to the past and no attachment to the future, you can only > live in >> the present with no expectations. You are liberated while living. > You are >> fully alive in the moment. The opening is made for the Divine to > act in >> your life. In fact, you are the Divine and you realize your Oneness > with >> God/Goddess/All That Is. >> >> >> >> Oh, Ardis ~ if you knew how much I needed to hear this, it would > astound >> you. Thank you so very much for everything you write. Jai Ma ~ > Linda > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 4 > Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:48:52 -0000 > "Sankar Viswanathan" <sankarrukku > Re: 304--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI-- Satguru > > > > Swamiji had already clarified that we can have more than one Guru. It > is said that Shri Bhagavan Dattatreya who is the founder of the oldest > Guru lineages had 24 gurus. You can read about the Gurus here in this > article by Swami Sivananda. > > " He learnt wisdom from whatever source it came. All seekers after > wisdom should follow the example of Dattatreya." > > http://www.divyajivan.org/articles/siva/Dattatreya_siva.htm > > Jai MAA !!! > > > > > , brian@s... wrote: >> >> Is the guru insisting on loyalty to God, or to their ego? >> >> Find the intention of what they say and you'll have your answer. >> >> Once, at the Mandir someone asked Swamiji, "Why do so many attained > holy >> men and women come from India and other places to the US only to > fall >> from their high state because of all the temptation here?" >> >> (that's a paraphrase of the question by the way) >> >> Here's a paraphrase of Swamiji's answer: >> >> "Because they come here as High Guru. Placing themselves up so high > above >> others that there is only one way they can go, down." >> >> He continued, "if a person comes here as an equal and expresses > himself as >> an equal he cannot fall, there is no place to fall." >> >> Remember what I said in my other post. Our test is to see Guru >> consciousness in that apparently imperfect form. They are saints > who may >> have been clouded by egoic identity or by the karma they have > chosen for >> themselves. But they are still God and we should treat them as they > are. >> If we worship them, if we exemplify the perfect devotee, then they > have no >> choice but to exemplify God consciousness. >> >> The best way to bring out the best in people is to be devoted to the >> consciousness within them. This is even more true for Saints, > because they >> are more thinly veiled by Maya and thus we can reach them more > easilly. >> >> Great question, thanks for asking. >> >> Brian >> >>> Dear Nanda, >>> Can you ask Swamiji why so many Gurus insist on loyality and > either >>> state explicitly or implicitly >>> that without this you cannot progress on the spiritual path. >>> Jai Maa and Jai Swamiji >>> Grace >>> >>> On 25/02/2005, at 5:08 PM, Nanda wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Question from Christine Radha: >>>> Can one have two Satgurus ? I am drawn to both Ammachi and Shree > Maa. >>>> >>>> Swamiji's response: >>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> Question from Nanda: >>>> Is the Guru-Disciple relationship cultivated based on disciple > doing >>>> the sadhana prescribed by the Guru ? Can someone do another > sadhana >>>> that they feel drawn to and consider you as their Guru ? For >>>> example , some people are intimidated by sanskrit chanting but > may >>>> be drawn to silent meditation or a mantra that they received > from >>>> someone else. Can they consider you as their Guru ? Thank you > for >>>> your time. >>>> >>>> Swamiji's response: >>>> Yes. A guru is an example of a quality or attitude we want to >>>> practice and perfect in our lives. That will be our sadhana. It > does >>>> not need to be the sadhana of the Guru. In most cases it is > not. It >>>> is the attitude of the Guru. >>>> >>>> It may be the attitude of discipline. It may be the attitude of >>>> compassion or love or any other bhava which the Guru > exemplifies. It >>>> may be the way She cooks or writes or maybe we can't explain it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sponsor >>>> >>>> >>>> <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> >>>> <l.gif> >>>> >>>> Links >>>> >>>> • >>>> / >>>> >>>> • >>>> >>>> >>>> • > Terms of >>>> Service. >>>> >>>> > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 5 > Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:44:38 -0000 > "Nanda" <chandimaakijai > Re: Group Sankalpa - March 8th is a BIG day > > > Grace said : > > I would love to join in the Sankalpa but I do not own the Shiva > Puja book. I think I have a copy of the Shive Mahimna in an old > chanting book. Will this suffice? > > Sankar said : > > I have the book Siva Puja. Which portions are applicable for the > Beginner? > [..] > What about the Siva Ratri Vrata? > > > Latha's response :- Thank you for your questions. To make it simple and for > many people to join, we will make our Shiva puja a bare minimum one > > a) Chant "Om Namah Shivaya" 1008 times or 10 rounds of mala. > b) Offer a little milk to Shiva - either as a direct abishekam (bath) to the > deity , if you have a Shiva Lingam or atleast offered in a cup to your altar. > > Anything else that you would like to do for Shiva depends on what you have at > hand. So if you would like to chant Shiva Mahima go for it. If you would like > to take portions from the Advanced Shiva as part of your puja , go for it. > There is NO particular section taken from the Adv Shiva Puja book that would > constitute the Beginner Shiva book, but we can take ANY section from it and > make it part of our own puja. > > Regarding the Vrata or fasting we will leave it to each individual's capacity. > The group sankalpa is a barebones one , and every one is encouraged to add to > it as they feel meaningful to them. > > JAI MAA > Nanda > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 6 > Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:10:01 +1100 > Grace Green <gmgreen108 > Re: Re: Group Sankalpa - March 8th is a BIG day > > Thanks Nanda, > that works for me... 1. Om Namah Shivaya 1008 times > 2. Puja offering Milk > 3. Shiva Mahimna Strotra > 4. 108 Names Durga > 5. 108 Names Kali > Count me in > Jai Maa Jai Swamiji > Grace > > On 26/02/2005, at 5:44 AM, Nanda wrote: > >> >> Grace said : >> >> I would love to join in the Sankalpa but I do not own the Shiva >> Puja book. I think I have a copy of the Shive Mahimna in an old >> chanting book. Will this suffice? >> >> Sankar said : >> >> I have the book Siva Puja. Which portions are applicable for the >> Beginner? >> [..] >> What about the Siva Ratri Vrata? >> >> >> Latha's response :- Thank you for your questions. To make it simple >> and for many people to join, we will make our Shiva puja a bare >> minimum one >> >> a) Chant "Om Namah Shivaya" 1008 times or 10 rounds of mala. >> b) Offer a little milk to Shiva - either as a direct abishekam (bath) >> to the deity , if you have a Shiva Lingam or atleast offered in a cup >> to your altar. >> >> Anything else that you would like to do for Shiva depends on what you >> have at hand. So if you would like to chant Shiva Mahima go for it. If >> you would like to take portions from the Advanced Shiva as part of >> your puja , go for it. There is NO particular section taken from the >> Adv Shiva Puja book that would constitute the Beginner Shiva book, but >> we can take ANY section from it and make it part of our own puja. >> >> Regarding the Vrata or fasting we will leave it to each individual's >> capacity. The group sankalpa is a barebones one , and every one is >> encouraged to add to it as they feel meaningful to them. >> >> JAI MAA >> Nanda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sponsor >> >> >> <22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gif> >> <l.gif> >> >> Links >> >> • >> / >> >> • >> >> >> • Terms of >> Service. >> >> > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 7 > Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:45:32 -0700 > Berijoy <berijoy > Re: 304--Q&A WITH SWAMIJI-- Satguru > > > > brian wrote: > >> [snipped] >> If we worship them, if we exemplify the perfect devotee, then they have no >> >> choice but to exemplify God consciousness. >> > > But what if their ego has become such that they don't see it? I mean, > what if you do worship them and they don't exemplify God consciousness > but rather just see that act of devotion as what things are supposed to > be? Isn't there a 'danger' that the disciple will have blind devotion > and enable the behavior? 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