Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Dear All, This mail caused me to recall a time past when there was the feeling of a “bad Guru experience”. Once a similar question to yours was posed and Beloved Swamiji advised that Chapter 12 of the Chandi (please correct me Nanda Devi or anyone if this reference is incorrect) can be recited for this ‘problem’. This child also felt that she had been dealt a raw deal by the one whom she previously referred to as Guru and there were times when bitter feelings about the whole ordeal would arise. Not sure when the feelings changed or disappeared but reading your post it does not appear to be there anymore. We have a satsanga group going and the Scripture being studied is the Guru Gita having completed the Chandi late 2004. This is the way this child now views the experience: The Guru Gita refers to Guru as Mother, Father, Friend …. It also cautions never to criticize the Guru even if he/she moves in his/her own rhythm. We may say that in taking on the role of Guru, there is no room for error but being in the human body there must some imperfection. We have all on some occasion or another cause pain to our parents or friends at times knowingly other times unknowingly and we seek their forgiveness in some form or another. With the same token we should pray for our teachers to be kept on that path of light and perfection. This teacher with the “bad experience” first introduced this child to that Beautiful Black Goddess Kali. That evening the discourse was on Eastern Dieties but Kali was the one that captured the heart of this child. Over the years I tried and tried to find out more about Kali but the books found were not very informative. I would dance for Mother, perform skits depicting Mother, sing Her bhajans (only knew two but they were everything). One evening though the teacher said, I have a book that I think you may like it was the Daughters of the Goddess. Once Iread of Shree Maa I kept going back to read about Her. Beloved Shree Maa beckoned this child through those pages and the teacher guided me to the website where I first made contact with the Devi Mandir. Then one October Navaratri I was able to meet Goddess Kali, She came in the form of Beloved Shree Maa. Now, let us weigh those scales and see which is more beneficial, should I hold on to the bad experience or should I embrace the good and the bad and move on. As a matter of fact, with the above paragraph in mind, where is the bad. It dissolved into that Beautiful Black Goddess. It is neti neti. This to me is why I came into contact with that teacher, he led this child to the ocean’s shore, to the One who will take my hand and show me the way across. So with each day’s dawning, as worship is offered at the Lotus Feet of Beloved Guru, Eternal Blessings are offered for the Divine Incarnation of Mother in the form of Shree Maa and Swami Satyananda Saraswati and the teacher (and his family) is offered in the infinite ocean of Divine Mother’s love and compassion. Let us all bow in gratitude to our Guru/Teacher for They are our all. Jai Guruji ki jai!Do You ?Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Kalia wrote: This mail caused me to recall a time past when there was the feeling of a "bad Guru experience". Once a similar question to yours was posed and Beloved Swamiji advised that Chapter 12 of the Chandi (please correct me Nanda Devi or anyone if this reference is incorrect) can be recited for this `problem'. Dear Kalia, You are quite correct. This was Swamiji's response to a question from Maureen. Please see post /message/8421?simple=1 Jai Maa Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 i hope that everyone who has had such an experience reads this link nanda found. the dalai lama, who is a highly public figure, has spoken out against gurus who use their position for less than ideal purposes. swamiji is taking a different approach, which is VERY consistent with his entire practice. if i can be so bold as to fill in some blanks based on personal experience. we go through this life with many experiences. we feel the need for god. many thoughts might follow on the heel of this. one of them might be following through on this thought: "i need a guru." someone is found, but their behavior reveals itself to be, not exemplary, far from it. at this point, we are faced with still more choices. there are too many to list. here is one we can speak of however. it is this, the original thought, or impulse, that started it all: "i wish to see god, or have god's communion." our action then might be, not to be derailed in our quest, but to CONTINUE with our greater endeavor. the form that came to you is now history. any guru is a transient form, being form. even we are transient forms. all our experience is. it is defined by the thoughts we are having now. the damage done by the "bad guru" is now part of our personal repository. as such we have to deal with it. the best way to deal with it is to wrap it in a flower and give to shiva, or whoever is your ishta deva. be good to yourself. love yourself. everything that happened has bought you toe where you are NOW ... and that is what we have to work with. i love you, i have been there too. now i am here, we are all here. steve ps time is very short. the mind can be slow to change. it should be honored and respected [in my view] that there are indeed such people. but the important thing is, what swamiji and shree maa are here for, and want to do, is help you get closer to god. they want you on that track and nowhere else. once again, my interpretation. , "Nanda" <chandimaakijai> wrote: > > Kalia wrote: > > This mail caused me to recall a time past when there was the feeling > of a "bad Guru experience". Once a similar question to yours was > posed and Beloved Swamiji advised that Chapter 12 of the Chandi > (please correct me Nanda Devi or anyone if this reference is > incorrect) can be recited for this `problem'. > > Dear Kalia, > You are quite correct. This was Swamiji's response to a question from > Maureen. > Please see post > /message/8421?simple=1 > > Jai Maa > Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 I love you, Steve. So good to see your growth. Missed you at class yesterday. Swamiji is blessing us in a big way. Ardis On Apr 3, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Steve Connor wrote: > > > i hope that everyone who has had such an experience reads this link > nanda found. > > the dalai lama, who is a highly public figure, has spoken out against > gurus who use their position for less than ideal purposes. > > swamiji is taking a different approach, which is VERY consistent with > his entire practice. > > if i can be so bold as to fill in some blanks based on personal > experience. > > we go through this life with many experiences. we feel the need for > god. many thoughts might follow on the heel of this. one of them might > be following through on this thought: "i need a guru." > > someone is found, but their behavior reveals itself to be, not > exemplary, far from it. > > at this point, we are faced with still more choices. there are too > many to list. > > here is one we can speak of however. it is this, the original thought, > or impulse, that started it all: > > "i wish to see god, or have god's communion." > > our action then might be, not to be derailed in our quest, but to > CONTINUE with our greater endeavor. the form that came to you is now > history. any guru is a transient form, being form. even we are > transient forms. all our experience is. it is defined by the thoughts > we are having now. > > the damage done by the "bad guru" is now part of our personal > repository. as such we have to deal with it. > > the best way to deal with it is to wrap it in a flower and give to > shiva, or whoever is your ishta deva. be good to yourself. love > yourself. everything that happened has bought you toe where you are > NOW ... and that is what we have to work with. > > i love you, i have been there too. now i am here, we are all here. > > steve > > ps > time is very short. the mind can be slow to change. it should be > honored and respected [in my view] that there are indeed such people. > but the important thing is, what swamiji and shree maa are here for, > and want to do, is help you get closer to god. they want you on that > track and nowhere else. once again, my interpretation. > > > > > , "Nanda" <chandimaakijai> > wrote: > > > > Kalia wrote: > > > > This mail caused me to recall a time past when there was the > feeling > > of a "bad Guru experience". Once a similar question to yours was > > posed and Beloved Swamiji advised that Chapter 12 of the Chandi > > (please correct me Nanda Devi or anyone if this reference is > > incorrect) can be recited for this `problem'. > > > > Dear Kalia, > > You are quite correct. This was Swamiji's response to a question > from > > Maureen. > > Please see post > > /message/8421?simple=1 > > > > Jai Maa > > Nanda > > > Sponsor > > > > Children International > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > <332170_011805_newchildforemail.jpg> > > · > Click Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > · > Click Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > Learn More > > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > > Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Dearest Sister, This is such a beautiful way of looking at your experience. I have had many teachers in this lifetime. I prefer not to look at them as "good" or "bad". They have all brought me to where I am now. Just as my ancestors have. And where would I rather be than at the feet of Shree Maa and Swamiji? I am so blessed. I am deeply grateful to all the teachers and all the ancestors and all the friends and acquaintances who have given me their love and instruction and examples and placed me on the path to the Devi Mandir. Jai Maa Jai Swamiji Jai Kalianandaji On Apr 2, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Kali Kali wrote: > Dear All, > > > > This mail caused me to recall a time past when there was the feeling > of a “bad Guru experience”. Once a similar question to yours was > posed and Beloved Swamiji advised that Chapter 12 of the Chandi > (please correct me Nanda Devi or anyone if this reference is > incorrect) can be recited for this ‘problem’. > > > > This child also felt that she had been dealt a raw deal by the one > whom she previously referred to as Guru and there were times when > bitter feelings about the whole ordeal would arise. Not sure when the > feelings changed or disappeared but reading your post it does not > appear to be there anymore. We have a satsanga group going and the > Scripture being studied is the Guru Gita having completed the Chandi > late 2004. This is the way this child now views the experience: > > > > The Guru Gita refers to Guru as Mother, Father, Friend …. It also > cautions never to criticize the Guru even if he/she moves in his/her > own rhythm. We may say that in taking on the role of Guru, there is no > room for error but being in the human body there must some > imperfection. We have all on some occasion or another cause pain to > our parents or friends at times knowingly other times unknowingly and > we seek their forgiveness in some form or another. With the same > token we should pray for our teachers to be kept on that path of light > and perfection. > > > > This teacher with the “bad experience” first introduced this child to > that Beautiful Black Goddess Kali. That evening the discourse was on > Eastern Dieties but Kali was the one that captured the heart of this > child. Over the years I tried and tried to find out more about Kali > but the books found were not very informative. I would dance for > Mother, perform skits depicting Mother, sing Her bhajans (only knew > two but they were everything). One evening though the teacher said, I > have a book that I think you may like it was the Daughters of the > Goddess. Once Iread of Shree Maa I kept going back to read about Her. > Beloved Shree Maa beckoned this child through those pages and the > teacher guided me to the website where I first made contact with the > Devi Mandir. Then one October Navaratri I was able to meet Goddess > Kali, She came in the form of Beloved Shree Maa. > > > > Now, let us weigh those scales and see which is more beneficial, > should I hold on to the bad experience or should I embrace the good > and the bad and move on. As a matter of fact, with the above > paragraph in mind, where is the bad. It dissolved into that Beautiful > Black Goddess. It is neti neti. > > > > This to me is why I came into contact with that teacher, he led this > child to the ocean’s shore, to the One who will take my hand and show > me the way across. So with each day’s dawning, as worship is offered > at the Lotus Feet of Beloved Guru, Eternal Blessings are offered for > the Divine Incarnation of Mother in the form of Shree Maa and Swami > Satyananda Saraswati and the teacher (and his family) is offered in > the infinite ocean of Divine Mother’s love and compassion. > > > > Let us all bow in gratitude to our Guru/Teacher for They are our all. > > > > Jai Guruji ki jai! > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Children International > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > <332170_011805_newchildforemail.jpg> > > · > Click Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > · > Click Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > Learn More > > <l.gif> > > Links > > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > > Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 I shall let my anger spill out onto this post. Om Namah Shivaya. There are many false gurus. I have heard of very many cases of gurus becoming involved with the wives of devotees, and destroying the lives of entire families because of their impure motives. Such a one is not really a guru at all, but rather a harsh learning experience in this reality. This problem is at epidemic levels among male gurus in this western society, whether the teacher is from India or the west. There are countless stories of such abuse. This situation rivals the sex abuse scandal in the Catholic church. It should not be tolerated. As a group, all seekers in traditions which hold gurus in high esteem, such as Hindus and Buddhists, etc, should be vigilant about this issue, and never tolerate it. Such a situation is the spiritual rape of an individual, and is a type of spiritual incest. One thing that is very much appreciated and honored among the devotees of Shree Maa, is Maa's strict insistance on purity. Shree Maa is completely intolerant of "topsy turvey" behavior from devotees, diciples, or other teachers. One can sense the purity in Maa's presense, and impure thoughts don't even seem to be able to manifest around Maa or at her ashram. For this I salute our beloved Divine Mother! Nirmalananda --- Steve Connor <sconnor wrote: > > > i hope that everyone who has had such an experience > reads this link > nanda found. > > the dalai lama, who is a highly public figure, has > spoken out against > gurus who use their position for less than ideal > purposes. > > swamiji is taking a different approach, which is > VERY consistent with > his entire practice. > > if i can be so bold as to fill in some blanks based > on personal > experience. > > we go through this life with many experiences. we > feel the need for > god. many thoughts might follow on the heel of this. > one of them might > be following through on this thought: "i need a > guru." > > someone is found, but their behavior reveals itself > to be, not > exemplary, far from it. > > at this point, we are faced with still more choices. > there are too > many to list. > > here is one we can speak of however. it is this, the > original thought, > or impulse, that started it all: > > "i wish to see god, or have god's communion." > > our action then might be, not to be derailed in our > quest, but to > CONTINUE with our greater endeavor. the form that > came to you is now > history. any guru is a transient form, being form. > even we are > transient forms. all our experience is. it is > defined by the thoughts > we are having now. > > the damage done by the "bad guru" is now part of our > personal > repository. as such we have to deal with it. > > the best way to deal with it is to wrap it in a > flower and give to > shiva, or whoever is your ishta deva. be good to > yourself. love > yourself. everything that happened has bought you > toe where you are > NOW ... and that is what we have to work with. > > i love you, i have been there too. now i am here, we > are all here. > > steve > > ps > time is very short. the mind can be slow to change. > it should be > honored and respected [in my view] that there are > indeed such people. > but the important thing is, what swamiji and shree > maa are here for, > and want to do, is help you get closer to god. they > want you on that > track and nowhere else. once again, my > interpretation. > > > > > , "Nanda" > <chandimaakijai> > wrote: > > > > Kalia wrote: > > > > This mail caused me to recall a time past when > there was the > feeling > > of a "bad Guru experience". Once a similar > question to yours was > > posed and Beloved Swamiji advised that Chapter 12 > of the Chandi > > (please correct me Nanda Devi or anyone if this > reference is > > incorrect) can be recited for this `problem'. > > > > Dear Kalia, > > You are quite correct. This was Swamiji's response > to a question > from > > Maureen. > > Please see post > > > /message/8421?simple=1 > > > > Jai Maa > > Nanda > > > > > > > Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Hi Nirmalananda! Nirmalananda Saraswati wrote: > > I shall let my anger spill out onto this post. Om That is often the only way we can release our hurt. > Namah Shivaya. There are many false gurus. I have Guru means (s)he who removes darkness by bringing light. My observations of Mother's creation indicate that there are two ways to illumnate darkness. The first is to be a light which exposes the darkness. The other is to be a darkness that causes other's light to expose you. I have met very few of the former types of teachers, but in my opinion both are equally valid Gurus in the truest sense. The challenge of the first type of Guru is to not become attached to that light or dependent on it. The challenge with the second type of Guru is to not become attached to that darkness (negative attachment here) or obsessed with it. >From my perspective, all is Guru. All is teacher. > heard of very many cases of gurus becoming involved > with the wives of devotees, and destroying the lives > of entire families because of their impure motives. > Such a one is not really a guru at all, but rather a > harsh learning experience in this reality. This > problem is at epidemic levels among male gurus in this > western society, whether the teacher is from India or > the west. There are countless stories of such abuse. > This situation rivals the sex abuse scandal in the > Catholic church. It should not be tolerated. Tolerated? Does Shree Maa tolerate the darkness in her Devotees? Of course she does, and she loves us no matter what! That is how one becomes a becon of light in a sea of darkness. Don't you see, by resenting and hating these so called false Gurus you are spreading the very darkness you resent most? It is only by following Shree Maa's example of forgiveness, total acceptance and love that we have the ability to turn the tide against the darkness. I most certainly understand your feelings, having been hurt myself by someone I held in the highest regard. But when all is said and done, She got me here through that person. If it had not been for that person I would not have been able to discriminate the light from dark within myself and learned to illumine the darkness and chase it away. I feel that it is easy to be thankful for the positive, mind blowing experiences, but difficult to be thankful for the negative heart wrenching experiences. These experiences are meant to teach us the highest example of Her grace, by bringing it up within ourselves. It is only the mind that prevents that from happening. It is only the mind that refuses to accept Reality for what it is and love Her anyway. Maha Maya is the highest test of consciousness. That is what She's doing to you right here and right now -- testing you. Forget the human flesh and the actions of monkey mind for a moment and simply feel the pain and anguish under your anger. Then offer it to Her, give it to the Goddess of the mountain that she may take it away and leave you with only peace. Know that the darkness you feel, you have made a part of yourself because of your reaction to these lumps of flesh and mechanisms of mind. Realize that it is your fault you are angry and that you haven't let yourself heal. The mokeys may have slung the dung at you, but you are the one who refuses to wash it away and leave it behind you. You are the one who stares at it and resents its presence and the actions of the monkeys who simply do not know any better. Or do and choose to be "evil" anyway. You may have not put it there, but only you can let Mother wash it away. You may not want to do that now, but you can want to want to let it go, and that is the first step. I love you. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 In a message dated 4/3/05 11:05:38 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ardis1 (AT) verizon (DOT) net writes: I have had many teachers in this lifetime. I prefer not to look at them as "good" or "bad". They have all brought me to where I am now. Namaste Ardis, Here we are. Om Namah Sivaya. With Love Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Thanks for these words. They interpret what this child tried to convey in the original post. As Steve indicated, these are learning experiences, they teach us important aspects in life such as discrimination and forgiveness. Guru's grace is give and get (krypa) If we cannot forgive how then can we expect the True Guru to forgive us . In this world there is the God and there is the bad, Gurus always say to see good in all, this child will continue to thank that person for the valuable lesson taught but most of all the opportunity to find and live Truth. KaliaBrian McKee <brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org> wrote: Hi Nirmalananda!Nirmalananda Saraswati wrote:>> I shall let my anger spill out onto this post. OmThat is often the only way we can release our hurt.> Namah Shivaya. There are many false gurus. I haveGuru means (s)he who removes darkness by bringing light. My observationsof Mother's creation indicate that there are two ways to illumnatedarkness. The first is to be a light which exposes the darkness. Theother is to be a darkness that causes other's light to expose you.I have met very few of the former types of teachers, but in my opinionboth are equally valid Gurus in the truest sense. The challenge of thefirst type of Guru is to not become attached to that light or dependenton it. The challenge with the second type of Guru is to not becomeattached to that darkness (negative attachment here) or obsessed with it.From my perspective, all is Guru. All is teacher.> heard of very many cases of gurus becoming involved> with the wives of devotees, and destroying the lives> of entire families because of their impure motives.> Such a one is not really a guru at all, but rather a> harsh learning experience in this reality. This> problem is at epidemic levels among male gurus in this> western society, whether the teacher is from India or> the west. There are countless stories of such abuse.> This situation rivals the sex abuse scandal in the> Catholic church. It should not be tolerated.Tolerated? Does Shree Maa tolerate the darkness in her Devotees? Ofcourse she does, and she loves us no matter what! That is how onebecomes a becon of light in a sea of darkness. Don't you see, byresenting and hating these so called false Gurus you are spreading thevery darkness you resent most? It is only by following Shree Maa'sexample of forgiveness, total acceptance and love that we have theability to turn the tide against the darkness.I most certainly understand your feelings, having been hurt myself bysomeone I held in the highest regard. But when all is said and done, Shegot me here through that person. If it had not been for that person Iwould not have been able to discriminate the light from dark withinmyself and learned to illumine the darkness and chase it away.I feel that it is easy to be thankful for the positive, mind blowingexperiences, but difficult to be thankful for the negative heartwrenching experiences. These experiences are meant to teach us thehighest example of Her grace, by bringing it up within ourselves. It isonly the mind that prevents that from happening. It is only the mindthat refuses to accept Reality for what it is and love Her anyway.Maha Maya is the highest test of consciousness. That is what She's doingto you right here and right now -- testing you. Forget the human fleshand the actions of monkey mind for a moment and simply feel the pain andanguish under your anger. Then offer it to Her, give it to the Goddessof the mountain that she may take it away and leave you with only peace.Know that the darkness you feel, you have made a part of yourselfbecause of your reaction to these lumps of flesh and mechanisms of mind.Realize that it is your fault you are angry and that you haven't letyourself heal. The mokeys may have slung the dung at you, but you arethe one who refuses to wash it away and leave it behind you. You are theone who stares at it and resents its presence and the actions of themonkeys who simply do not know any better. Or do and choose to be "evil"anyway.You may have not put it there, but only you can let Mother wash it away.You may not want to do that now, but you can want to want to let it go,and that is the first step.I love you.BrianDo You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Kalia wrote:This mail caused me to recall a time past when there was the feeling of a "bad Guru experience". Once a similar question to yours was posed and Beloved Swamiji advised that Chapter 12 of the Chandi (please correct me Nanda Devi or anyone if this reference is incorrect) can be recited for this `problem'.Dear Kalia,You are quite correct. This was Swamiji's response to a question from Maureen.Please see post /message/8421?simple=1Jai MaaNandaDo You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 We are completely forgiven by Goddess the instant we do something we know we shouldn't have. It is only us who fail to forgive. And usually the person we fail first is our self. We fail to forgive us our own trespasses, and that is when the fall into darkness occurs. All people are truly Goddess, thus they are good, but once they convince themselves they are bad they start down a path of self destruction. That self is themselves as well as the self of others. Forgiveness starts within and then spreads outward, faster than the speed of light. For once we can forgive ourselves, we forgive others and show them how to forgive themselves. Forgiveness is the path to peace, the path of love, the path of consciousness. Thank you my Sister. Kali Kali wrote: > Dear Brian, > > Thanks for these words. They interpret what this child tried to > convey in the original post. As Steve indicated, these are learning > experiences, they teach us important aspects in life such as > discrimination and forgiveness. Guru's grace is give and get (krypa) > If we cannot forgive how then can we expect the /True Guru/ to forgive > us . In this world there is the God and there is the bad, Gurus > always say to see good in all, this child will continue to thank that > person for the valuable lesson taught but most of all the opportunity > to find and live Truth. > > Kalia > > */Brian McKee <brian/* wrote: > > Hi Nirmalananda! > > Nirmalananda Saraswati wrote: > > > > > I shall let my anger spill out onto this post. Om > > That is often the only way we can release our hurt. > > > Namah Shivaya. There are many false gurus. I have > > Guru means (s)he who removes darkness by bringing light. My > observations > of Mother's creation indicate that there are two ways to illumnate > darkness. The first is to be a light which exposes the darkness. The > other is to be a darkness that causes other's light to expose you. > > I have met very few of the former types of teachers, but in my opinion > both are equally valid Gurus in the truest sense. The challenge of the > first type of Guru is to not become attached to that light or > dependent > on it. The challenge with the second type of Guru is to not become > attached to that darkness (negative attachment here) or obsessed > with it. > > From my perspective, all is Guru. All is teacher. > > > heard of very many cases of gurus becoming involved > > with the wives of devotees, and destroying the lives > > of entire families because of their impure motives. > > Such a one is not really a guru at all, but rather a > > harsh learning experience in this reality. This > > problem is at epidemic levels among male gurus in this > > western society, whether the teacher is from India or > > the west. There are countless stories of such abuse. > > This situation rivals the sex abuse scandal in the > > Catholic church. It should not be tolerated. > > Tolerated? Does Shree Maa tolerate the darkness in her Devotees? Of > course she does, and she loves us no matter what! That is how one > becomes a becon of light in a sea of darkness. Don't you see, by > resenting and hating these so called false Gurus you are spreading the > very darkness you resent most? It is only by following Shree Maa's > example of forgiveness, total acceptance and love that we have the > ability to turn the tide against the darkness. > > I most certainly understand your feelings, having been hurt myself by > someone I held in the highest regard. But when all is said and > done, She > got me here through that person. If it had not been for that person I > would not have been able to discriminate the light from dark within > myself and learned to illumine the darkness and chase it away. > > I feel that it is easy to be thankful for the positive, mind blowing > experiences, but difficult to be thankful for the negative heart > wrenching experiences. These experiences are meant to teach us the > highest example of Her grace, by bringing it up within ourselves. > It is > only the mind that prevents that from happening. It is only the mind > that refuses to accept Reality for what it is and love Her anyway. > > Maha Maya is the highest test of consciousness. That is what She's > doing > to you right here and right now -- testing you. Forget the human flesh > and the actions of monkey mind for a moment and simply feel the > pain and > anguish under your anger. Then offer it to Her, give it to the Goddess > of the mountain that she may take it away and leave you with only > peace. > Know that the darkness you feel, you have made a part of yourself > because of your reaction to these lumps of flesh and mechanisms of > mind. > Realize that it is your fault you are angry and that you haven't let > yourself heal. The mokeys may have slung the dung at you, but you are > the one who refuses to wash it away and leave it behind you. You > are the > one who stares at it and resents its presence and the actions of the > monkeys who simply do not know any better. Or do and choose to be > "evil" > anyway. > > You may have not put it there, but only you can let Mother wash it > away. > You may not want to do that now, but you can want to want to let > it go, > and that is the first step. > > I love you. > > Brian > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > *Children International* > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ammrcd/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1112594179/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http://children.780\ net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=872&s=f&host\ Name=Children%20International> > > > · Click Here to meet a Girl > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ammrcd/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1112594179/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http://children.780\ net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=872&s=f&host\ Name=Children%20International> > And Give Her Hope > > > · Click Here to meet a Boy > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ammrcd/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1112594179/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http://children.780\ net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=871&s=m&host\ Name=Children%20International> > And Change His Life > > *Learn More* > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ammrcd/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1112594179/A=2535374/R=3/SIG=1424c63em/*http://children.780\ net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=871&s=m&host\ Name=Children%20International> > > > > ------ > * Links* > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 In a message dated 4/4/05 12:42:18 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org writes: We are completely forgiven by Goddess the instant we do something weknow we shouldn't have. It is only us who fail to forgive. And usuallythe person we fail first is our self. We fail to forgive us our owntrespasses, and that is when the fall into darkness occurs. All peopleare truly Goddess, thus they are good, but once they convince themselvesthey are bad they start down a path of self destruction. That self isthemselves as well as the self of others. Namaste Brian, Namaste follower's of this thread, Thank you, Brian. When that instant forgiveness of the Goddess is recognized and projected, becoming the ray of light that dissolves the attachment to the negative experience, the world becomes better. Have you seen how the passing of Pope John Paul has brought the consciousness of the world to a better place ? The forgiving nature of Pope John Paul permeates the planet now. With Love Om Namah Sivaya Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I feel that Pope John Paul II really cared a great deal about the world and wanted to make it a better place. That essence rubbed off on the people who worshiped him. I pray these feelings of peace last forever. Om ganapataye namaha. > > In a message dated 4/4/05 12:42:18 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > brian writes: > > We are completely forgiven by Goddess the instant we do something we > know we shouldn't have. It is only us who fail to forgive. And usually > the person we fail first is our self. We fail to forgive us our own > trespasses, and that is when the fall into darkness occurs. All people > are truly Goddess, thus they are good, but once they convince themselves > they are bad they start down a path of self destruction. That self is > themselves as well as the self of others. > > > > Namaste Brian, > Namaste follower's of this thread, > > Thank you, Brian. When that instant forgiveness of the Goddess is > recognized and projected, becoming the ray of light that dissolves the > attachment to > the negative experience, the world becomes better. Have you seen how the > passing of Pope John Paul has brought the consciousness of the world to a > better > place ? The forgiving nature of Pope John Paul permeates the planet now. > > With Love > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Kanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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