Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 There may be some who wonder what the Chandi is for. There may be some who wonder how the Chandi works. A few years ago my mind was beseiged by negative thoughts. In fact its accurate to say it was completely overwhelmed by them. For a while it seemed as if I was going insane. I suppose, if I talked to a psychologist during those few weeks, they would have suggested medication or at least some therapy. But none of that felt right for me. I felt as if I needed to overcome these thoughts. Not unlike King Ugrasen, Grand Father of Lord Krishna, I believed it was my responsibility to remove these negative thoughts, these asuras from my personality. I wanted to kill Kamsa myself! I devised elaborate schemes and mechanisms to monitor myself and I learned ways to bring these thoughts from the darkness of my subconscious mind to the light of consciousness. I did a lot of house cleaning on my own back then and I was very successful. I, that is to say ego, became king of the three worlds. But the thoughts are still running amuck. Sure most of them are basically harmless, some are intensly creative problem solvers, but they drone on and on about endless possibilities and eventualities trying desperately to find something to amuse them, something to give them meaning. So here I am, an ego, attempting to keep order of all my generals. Somehow I came to understand that my mind, a mechanism made to create thought, cannot stop thoughts from happening. Its like a boat propeller cannot determine which water moves through it, it can only turn on and off and sometimes change direction. Our mind has hundreds, maybe thousands of those little propellers pushing us in all kinds of directions. And they all want to push, because its what they were made to do. A mind cannot stop itself. No matter how hard it tries, a mechanism in motion cannot willfully stop itself, there is nothing for it to brake itself against, all it can do is cease its functioning and this is disrespectful of life. So how can I stop my mind? I pondered for a long time before the answer came. I can't. There is nothing I can do. I am powerless against me. If I equate myself with my mind then there is nothing I can do. Period. End of discussion. But my mind must be stopped. I want it soooo badly. It is the only way I can achieve peace. But this I -- this peaceful I -- is different from my mind because when the mind stops, I still exist, so the experiencer of peace must be something other than what I perceive to be me. This is where the Chandi mantra comes from. Markandeya created the Chandi as a mechanism for the introduction of the energy of consciousness to cease all mental function for the enlightened realization of the spiritual aspirant. He created a mechanism for consciousness to descend to us, and he created a plan for us to follow to utilize that mechanism. Chandi is the most beautifully well constructed worship of all time -- because it always works. Consciousness is the only way to stop the mind and bring peace. So when you think, I can't stop my mind, darn it! Stop and say, "that's okay. Maa will." Then ask her, "Please Maa! Please Maa? Please Maa." Like King Ugrasen we have to let go of our desire to defeat Kamsa and let Krishna do what he was born to do. As Krishna told Ugrasen, "It was your devotion to truth that inspired me to battle Kamsa." So must we be devoted to Maa's truth to inspire her in the battle against our willful mindfulness. By doing the Chandi we create a new propeller, and the more we chant, the more powerful it becomes. As it becomes more powerful it moves us in the direction of God, and it scrapes the other propellers on the coral of Maa's radiant reality until they are ground down to mere nubs and cannot function anymore, no matter how fast they spin. Then we experience no movement, we experience peace. And when we move, its because of her desire. After all its her propeller! Jai Chandi Jai Jai! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 There may be some who wonder what the Chandi is for. There may be some whowonder how the Chandi works.Be Love, Berijoy http://www.egyirba.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You never miss your water 'til your well runs dry. Give thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Thanks Brian ...I needed to hear this today . Grace On 26/04/2005, at 7:25 AM, Brian McKee wrote: > There may be some who wonder what the Chandi is for. There may be some > who > wonder how the Chandi works. > > A few years ago my mind was beseiged by negative thoughts. In fact its > accurate to say it was completely overwhelmed by them. > > For a while it seemed as if I was going insane. I suppose, if I > talked to > a psychologist during those few weeks, they would have suggested > medication or at least some therapy. > > But none of that felt right for me. I felt as if I needed to overcome > these thoughts. Not unlike King Ugrasen, Grand Father of Lord > Krishna, I > believed it was my responsibility to remove these negative thoughts, > these > asuras from my personality. I wanted to kill Kamsa myself! > > I devised elaborate schemes and mechanisms to monitor myself and I > learned > ways to bring these thoughts from the darkness of my subconscious > mind to > the light of consciousness. > > I did a lot of house cleaning on my own back then and I was very > successful. I, that is to say ego, became king of the three worlds. > > But the thoughts are still running amuck. Sure most of them are > basically > harmless, some are intensly creative problem solvers, but they drone > on > and on about endless possibilities and eventualities trying > desperately to > find something to amuse them, something to give them meaning. > > So here I am, an ego, attempting to keep order of all my generals. > > Somehow I came to understand that my mind, a mechanism made to create > thought, cannot stop thoughts from happening. Its like a boat > propeller > cannot determine which water moves through it, it can only turn on > and off > and sometimes change direction. Our mind has hundreds, maybe > thousands of > those little propellers pushing us in all kinds of directions. And > they > all want to push, because its what they were made to do. > > A mind cannot stop itself. No matter how hard it tries, a mechanism in > motion cannot willfully stop itself, there is nothing for it to brake > itself against, all it can do is cease its functioning and this is > disrespectful of life. > > So how can I stop my mind? I pondered for a long time before the > answer came. > > I can't. > > There is nothing I can do. I am powerless against me. If I equate > myself > with my mind then there is nothing I can do. > > Period. End of discussion. > > But my mind must be stopped. I want it soooo badly. It is the only > way I > can achieve peace. But this I -- this peaceful I -- is different from > my > mind because when the mind stops, I still exist, so the experiencer of > peace must be something other than what I perceive to be me. > > This is where the Chandi mantra comes from. Markandeya created the > Chandi > as a mechanism for the introduction of the energy of consciousness to > cease all mental function for the enlightened realization of the > spiritual > aspirant. > > He created a mechanism for consciousness to descend to us, and he > created > a plan for us to follow to utilize that mechanism. Chandi is the most > beautifully well constructed worship of all time -- because it always > works. > > Consciousness is the only way to stop the mind and bring peace. > > So when you think, I can't stop my mind, darn it! Stop and say, > "that's > okay. Maa will." > > Then ask her, "Please Maa! Please Maa? Please Maa." > > Like King Ugrasen we have to let go of our desire to defeat Kamsa and > let > Krishna do what he was born to do. As Krishna told Ugrasen, "It was > your > devotion to truth that inspired me to battle Kamsa." So must we be > devoted > to Maa's truth to inspire her in the battle against our willful > mindfulness. > > By doing the Chandi we create a new propeller, and the more we chant, > the > more powerful it becomes. As it becomes more powerful it moves us in > the > direction of God, and it scrapes the other propellers on the coral of > Maa's radiant reality until they are ground down to mere nubs and > cannot > function anymore, no matter how fast they spin. Then we experience no > movement, we experience peace. > > And when we move, its because of her desire. After all its her > propeller! > > Jai Chandi Jai Jai! > > > > > Links > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 i really appreciated this. There may be some who wonder what the Chandi is for. There may be some who wonder how the Chandi works. -- Be Love, Berijoy http://www.egyirba.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Beloved brother, i thank-you for this "Monkey Mind" post from the bottom of my heart! My whole being is on fire with new determination! Jai Chandi Shree Maa! Jai Shiva Swamiji! Jai Ramakrishna Deva! your sister always, muktimaa , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > There may be some who wonder what the Chandi is for. There may be some who > wonder how the Chandi works. > > A few years ago my mind was beseiged by negative thoughts. In fact its > accurate to say it was completely overwhelmed by them. > > For a while it seemed as if I was going insane. I suppose, if I talked to > a psychologist during those few weeks, they would have suggested > medication or at least some therapy. > > But none of that felt right for me. I felt as if I needed to overcome > these thoughts. Not unlike King Ugrasen, Grand Father of Lord Krishna, I > believed it was my responsibility to remove these negative thoughts, these > asuras from my personality. I wanted to kill Kamsa myself! > > I devised elaborate schemes and mechanisms to monitor myself and I learned > ways to bring these thoughts from the darkness of my subconscious mind to > the light of consciousness. > > I did a lot of house cleaning on my own back then and I was very > successful. I, that is to say ego, became king of the three worlds. > > But the thoughts are still running amuck. Sure most of them are basically > harmless, some are intensly creative problem solvers, but they drone on > and on about endless possibilities and eventualities trying desperately to > find something to amuse them, something to give them meaning. > > So here I am, an ego, attempting to keep order of all my generals. > > Somehow I came to understand that my mind, a mechanism made to create > thought, cannot stop thoughts from happening. Its like a boat propeller > cannot determine which water moves through it, it can only turn on and off > and sometimes change direction. Our mind has hundreds, maybe thousands of > those little propellers pushing us in all kinds of directions. And they > all want to push, because its what they were made to do. > > A mind cannot stop itself. No matter how hard it tries, a mechanism in > motion cannot willfully stop itself, there is nothing for it to brake > itself against, all it can do is cease its functioning and this is > disrespectful of life. > > So how can I stop my mind? I pondered for a long time before the answer came. > > I can't. > > There is nothing I can do. I am powerless against me. If I equate myself > with my mind then there is nothing I can do. > > Period. End of discussion. > > But my mind must be stopped. I want it soooo badly. It is the only way I > can achieve peace. But this I -- this peaceful I -- is different from my > mind because when the mind stops, I still exist, so the experiencer of > peace must be something other than what I perceive to be me. > > This is where the Chandi mantra comes from. Markandeya created the Chandi > as a mechanism for the introduction of the energy of consciousness to > cease all mental function for the enlightened realization of the spiritual > aspirant. > > He created a mechanism for consciousness to descend to us, and he created > a plan for us to follow to utilize that mechanism. Chandi is the most > beautifully well constructed worship of all time -- because it always > works. > > Consciousness is the only way to stop the mind and bring peace. > > So when you think, I can't stop my mind, darn it! Stop and say, "that's > okay. Maa will." > > Then ask her, "Please Maa! Please Maa? Please Maa." > > Like King Ugrasen we have to let go of our desire to defeat Kamsa and let > Krishna do what he was born to do. As Krishna told Ugrasen, "It was your > devotion to truth that inspired me to battle Kamsa." So must we be devoted > to Maa's truth to inspire her in the battle against our willful > mindfulness. > > By doing the Chandi we create a new propeller, and the more we chant, the > more powerful it becomes. As it becomes more powerful it moves us in the > direction of God, and it scrapes the other propellers on the coral of > Maa's radiant reality until they are ground down to mere nubs and cannot > function anymore, no matter how fast they spin. Then we experience no > movement, we experience peace. > > And when we move, its because of her desire. After all its her propeller! > > Jai Chandi Jai Jai! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Dear Brian, thank you for your very clear explanation. And since you explain these things so well, I would like to ask you something I have been thinking about: if the new propellor is Her's, aren't the old ones Her's too? And is our asking for help not also Her doing? Is this what is meant by her 'lila', and is that why it is emphasized that for Her defeating the Thoughts is no problem it all and that She does it 'playfully'? What do you think? with love, Henny , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > There may be some who wonder what the Chandi is for. There may be some who > wonder how the Chandi works. > > A few years ago my mind was beseiged by negative thoughts. In fact its > accurate to say it was completely overwhelmed by them. > > For a while it seemed as if I was going insane. I suppose, if I talked to > a psychologist during those few weeks, they would have suggested > medication or at least some therapy. > > But none of that felt right for me. I felt as if I needed to overcome > these thoughts. Not unlike King Ugrasen, Grand Father of Lord Krishna, I > believed it was my responsibility to remove these negative thoughts, these > asuras from my personality. I wanted to kill Kamsa myself! > > I devised elaborate schemes and mechanisms to monitor myself and I learned > ways to bring these thoughts from the darkness of my subconscious mind to > the light of consciousness. > > I did a lot of house cleaning on my own back then and I was very > successful. I, that is to say ego, became king of the three worlds. > > But the thoughts are still running amuck. Sure most of them are basically > harmless, some are intensly creative problem solvers, but they drone on > and on about endless possibilities and eventualities trying desperately to > find something to amuse them, something to give them meaning. > > So here I am, an ego, attempting to keep order of all my generals. > > Somehow I came to understand that my mind, a mechanism made to create > thought, cannot stop thoughts from happening. Its like a boat propeller > cannot determine which water moves through it, it can only turn on and off > and sometimes change direction. Our mind has hundreds, maybe thousands of > those little propellers pushing us in all kinds of directions. And they > all want to push, because its what they were made to do. > > A mind cannot stop itself. No matter how hard it tries, a mechanism in > motion cannot willfully stop itself, there is nothing for it to brake > itself against, all it can do is cease its functioning and this is > disrespectful of life. > > So how can I stop my mind? I pondered for a long time before the answer came. > > I can't. > > There is nothing I can do. I am powerless against me. If I equate myself > with my mind then there is nothing I can do. > > Period. End of discussion. > > But my mind must be stopped. I want it soooo badly. It is the only way I > can achieve peace. But this I -- this peaceful I -- is different from my > mind because when the mind stops, I still exist, so the experiencer of > peace must be something other than what I perceive to be me. > > This is where the Chandi mantra comes from. Markandeya created the Chandi > as a mechanism for the introduction of the energy of consciousness to > cease all mental function for the enlightened realization of the spiritual > aspirant. > > He created a mechanism for consciousness to descend to us, and he created > a plan for us to follow to utilize that mechanism. Chandi is the most > beautifully well constructed worship of all time -- because it always > works. > > Consciousness is the only way to stop the mind and bring peace. > > So when you think, I can't stop my mind, darn it! Stop and say, "that's > okay. Maa will." > > Then ask her, "Please Maa! Please Maa? Please Maa." > > Like King Ugrasen we have to let go of our desire to defeat Kamsa and let > Krishna do what he was born to do. As Krishna told Ugrasen, "It was your > devotion to truth that inspired me to battle Kamsa." So must we be devoted > to Maa's truth to inspire her in the battle against our willful > mindfulness. > > By doing the Chandi we create a new propeller, and the more we chant, the > more powerful it becomes. As it becomes more powerful it moves us in the > direction of God, and it scrapes the other propellers on the coral of > Maa's radiant reality until they are ground down to mere nubs and cannot > function anymore, no matter how fast they spin. Then we experience no > movement, we experience peace. > > And when we move, its because of her desire. After all its her propeller! > > Jai Chandi Jai Jai! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Hi Henny, That is the perspective of the true knower of duality. In otherwords, the state of non-duality. But here, in duality, we feel (inacurately, because of ego) that the old propellers are ours and that the new one is hers. Her wearing down the old ones proves that they are hers and forces us to admit that we are not those propellers and that their motion isn't what makes us alive and who we are. It certainly is playful from her perspective to lop the heads off of the demons of negative thought, but from the perspective of those asuras, its life and death -- A VERY SERIOUS MATTER! Jai Maa! > > > Dear Brian, > > thank you for your very clear explanation. And since you explain these > things so well, I would like to ask you something I have been thinking > about: if the new propellor is Her's, aren't the old ones Her's too? > And is our asking for help not also Her doing? Is this what is meant > by her 'lila', and is that why it is emphasized that for Her defeating > the Thoughts is no problem it all and that She does it 'playfully'? > What do you think? > > with love, > Henny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Wow, Brian, that is a terrifyingly clear answer to my question. Thank you. I take refuge in the arms of the Divine Mother, with love, Henny In , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > Hi Henny, > > That is the perspective of the true knower of duality. In otherwords, the > state of non-duality. > > But here, in duality, we feel (inacurately, because of ego) that the old > propellers are ours and that the new one is hers. Her wearing down the old > ones proves that they are hers and forces us to admit that we are not > those propellers and that their motion isn't what makes us alive and who > we are. > > It certainly is playful from her perspective to lop the heads off of the > demons of negative thought, but from the perspective of those asuras, its > life and death -- A VERY SERIOUS MATTER! > > Jai Maa! > > > > > > > Dear Brian, > > > > thank you for your very clear explanation. And since you explain these > > things so well, I would like to ask you something I have been thinking > > about: if the new propellor is Her's, aren't the old ones Her's too? > > And is our asking for help not also Her doing? Is this what is meant > > by her 'lila', and is that why it is emphasized that for Her defeating > > the Thoughts is no problem it all and that She does it 'playfully'? > > What do you think? > > > > with love, > > Henny > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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