Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 My coments about the verse: When I read this verse , I think: it is wonderfull. Really, The impermanent and other divisions should not be a bondage to the soul " so I need, I must to pay attention in my sadhana, because all other things are impermanents. My answaer to you question; When we have a question, we must to be humble. Do you know the zen story about the cup? Unhappily I can´t write this story in English Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote: Dear All, Since we have already discussed on Saturdays upto verse 98 (those interested can check out the File Section in the group) , we will begin with Verse 99. The Guru Gita is available in "The Guru and the Goddess" - http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah Om Sri Gurave Namah Here is Verse 99 By means of the path of the intuitive vision of the Guru, the mind should be made pure. The impermanent and other divisions should not be a bondage to the soul. My comments - Making the mind pure seems to be essence of all teaching. Swamiji once compared the sadhak to a piece of iron covered with sand. The job of sadhana is to remove the sand and then "automatically" the iron will stick to the magnet of God. I believe the Guru's task is to supervise the removal of this sand. To allow him to proceed with this task, we have to surrender completely in the trust that She/He knows what they are doing . This means giving up the impermanent and other divisions in favor of trusting the Guru's instinct over my own. We know when we havent given up the impermanent, when the ego comes in the way sometimes with the question - "Does the Guru know what he is doing" . So I guess then the question is - As intelligent people, we cannot afford NOT to question and keep silent. At the same time we need to trust. So when can we question the Guru? Is there a protocol to the question? What are your responses dear readers? Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah Om Sri Gurave Namah JAI MAA Nanda Kalacandra ddConverse com seus amigos em tempo real com o Messenger http://br.download./messenger/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Thank you for that wonderful reminder - "Pay my attention to sadhana because all other things are impermanent". It is a very appropriate answer - asking the right questions with humility. In the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna tells Arjuna "'Tadviddhi Pranipatena Pariprashnena Sevaya, Upadekshyanti Te Jnanam Jnaninastattwadarshinah' ie it means that mere questioning is not enough. The question must not be made with any improper motive or attitude or to trap the Guru and catch at mistakes in the answer, or out of idle curiosity. It must be serious and with a view to achieve spiritual progress. I know which story you are referring to, and for the benefit of everyone and pasting it here. The story is titled "Emptying your cup" A university professor went to visit a famous Zen master. While the master quietly served tea, the professor talked about Zen. The master poured the visitor's cup to the brim, and then kept pouring. The professor watched the overflowing cup until he could no longer restrain himself. "It's overfull! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "You are like this cup," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup." Thank you for responding. I look forward to hearing from others. Jai MaaNanda Kala Chandra <kalachandra2003 .br> wrote: Dear Nandaji My coments about the verse: When I read this verse , I think: it is wonderfull. Really, The impermanent and other divisions should not be a bondage to the soul " so I need, I must to pay attention in my sadhana, because all other things are impermanents. My answaer to you question; When we have a question, we must to be humble. Do you know the zen story about the cup? Unhappily I can´t write this story in English Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote: Dear All, Since we have already discussed on Saturdays upto verse 98 (those interested can check out the File Section in the group) , we will begin with Verse 99. The Guru Gita is available in "The Guru and the Goddess" - http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah Om Sri Gurave Namah Here is Verse 99 By means of the path of the intuitive vision of the Guru, the mind should be made pure. The impermanent and other divisions should not be a bondage to the soul. My comments - Making the mind pure seems to be essence of all teaching. Swamiji once compared the sadhak to a piece of iron covered with sand. The job of sadhana is to remove the sand and then "automatically" the iron will stick to the magnet of God. I believe the Guru's task is to supervise the removal of this sand. To allow him to proceed with this task, we have to surrender completely in the trust that She/He knows what they are doing . This means giving up the impermanent and other divisions in favor of trusting the Guru's instinct over my own. We know when we havent given up the impermanent, when the ego comes in the way sometimes with the question - "Does the Guru know what he is doing" . So I guess then the question is - As intelligent people, we cannot afford NOT to question and keep silent. At the same time we need to trust. So when can we question the Guru? Is there a protocol to the question? What are your responses dear readers? Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah Om Sri Gurave Namah JAI MAA Nanda Kalacandra dd Converse com seus amigos em tempo real com o Messenger http://br.download./messenger/ Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Dear Nanda, Once again we are on the fine line sometimes known as the razors edge. And I think that every so often when we hit a wall as it were the answer lies somewhere between or combined with faith and surrender. I think we should be able to always question and must be prepared to accept the answers. Grace On 29/04/2005, at 5:31 AM, Nanda wrote: > Dear All, > Since we have already discussed on Saturdays upto verse 98 (those > interested can check out the File Section in the group) , we will > begin with Verse 99. The Guru Gita is available in "The Guru and the > Goddess" - http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm > > Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah > Om Sri Gurave Namah > > Here is Verse 99 > > By means of the path of the intuitive vision of the Guru, the mind > should be made pure. The impermanent and other divisions should not > be a bondage to the soul. > > My comments - > > Making the mind pure seems to be essence of all teaching. Swamiji > once compared the sadhak to a piece of iron covered with sand. The job > of sadhana is to remove the sand and then "automatically" the iron > will stick to the magnet of God. > > I believe the Guru's task is to supervise the removal of this sand. To > allow him to proceed with this task, we have to surrender completely > in the trust that She/He knows what they are doing . This means giving > up the impermanent and other divisions in favor of trusting the Guru's > instinct over my own. We know when we havent given up the impermanent, > when the ego comes in the way sometimes with the question - "Does the > Guru know what he is doing" . > > So I guess then the question is - As intelligent people, we cannot > afford NOT to question and keep silent. At the same time we need to > trust. So when can we question the Guru? Is there a protocol to the > question? > > What are your responses dear readers? > > Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah > Om Sri Gurave Namah > > JAI MAA > Nanda > > > > > > Links > • > / > > • > > > • Terms of > Service. > Attachment: (text/enriched) [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 In a message dated 4/28/05 3:10:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chandimaakijai writes: "It's overfull! No more will go in!" the professor blurted. "You are like this cup," the master replied, "How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup." Namaste Nanda and Kalachandra, That's the spirit. Om Namah Sivaya Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Nanda, My take on your questions: In the ideal form, the relationship between oneself and the Guru is the kernel of all other relationships; or a model. In the example of Swamiji and Shree Maa's teachings, we have this element of Respect. This can qualify and quantify any question or comment. If respect is there, any question may be asked. Fortunately this community is small so excessive layers of protocol and hierarchies are not in place. Again and again, we are returned to our own selves and resources to both ask and answer our own questions. The Guru supports the "right" answer. So what is the "right" answer? It is Action that corresponds to Principle the best. The various forms and protocols, even identities themselves, will change, and the Guru fully understands this. steve , Nanda <chandimaakijai> wrote: > Dear All, > Since we have already discussed on Saturdays upto verse 98 (those interested can check out the File Section in the group) , we will begin with Verse 99. The Guru Gita is available in "The Guru and the Goddess" - http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm > > Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah > Om Sri Gurave Namah > > Here is Verse 99 > > By means of the path of the intuitive vision of the Guru, the mind should be made pure. The impermanent and other divisions should not be a bondage to the soul. > > My comments - > > Making the mind pure seems to be essence of all teaching. Swamiji once compared the sadhak to a piece of iron covered with sand. The job of sadhana is to remove the sand and then "automatically" the iron will stick to the magnet of God. > > I believe the Guru's task is to supervise the removal of this sand. To allow him to proceed with this task, we have to surrender completely in the trust that She/He knows what they are doing . This means giving up the impermanent and other divisions in favor of trusting the Guru's instinct over my own. We know when we havent given up the impermanent, when the ego comes in the way sometimes with the question - "Does the Guru know what he is doing" . > > So I guess then the question is - As intelligent people, we cannot afford NOT to question and keep silent. At the same time we need to trust. So when can we question the Guru? Is there a protocol to the question? > > What are your responses dear readers? > > Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah > Om Sri Gurave Namah > > JAI MAA > Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Nanda, My feeling here is that the Guru Gita does not admit to any fallibility on the part of the guru. In this text it is all about trust, and attunement. There is no room for doubt in this path, the path of the guru. Beyond the text, of course, one must discriminate. Like any relationship, there is a period of growth toward trust. However, in the guru/disciple relationship there is an additional element of the guru shakti that is not found in other relationships. Through the development of faith in the guru, the subtle connection grows, and with that connection comes inner change (power, ability), which, in turn, strengthens faith. Doubt does not exist in this process. The development of intuitive vision is important for this to occur, I believe. Without the ability to appreciate, to some degree, the inner world, it is too easy for the ego to appropriate the activities of the guru shakti - too easy to think "Look how much I've accomplished!" With the growth of intuitive vision comes assurrance of truth, and once established, there is nothing that can shake this inner assurrance. When one practices the intuitive vision of the guru, the connection through which the guru's power and purity flows is strengthened, and, as the passage says, the mind is purified, and the faculty of intuition is developed. Also, love for the guru grows, and as Swamiji is so fond of saying, "If you love someone to the exclusion of everything else, you become like them." Chris , Nanda <chandimaakijai> wrote: > Dear All, > Since we have already discussed on Saturdays upto verse 98 (those interested can check out the File Section in the group) , we will begin with Verse 99. The Guru Gita is available in "The Guru and the Goddess" - http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm > > Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah > Om Sri Gurave Namah > > Here is Verse 99 > > By means of the path of the intuitive vision of the Guru, the mind should be made pure. The impermanent and other divisions should not be a bondage to the soul. > > My comments - > > Making the mind pure seems to be essence of all teaching. Swamiji once compared the sadhak to a piece of iron covered with sand. The job of sadhana is to remove the sand and then "automatically" the iron will stick to the magnet of God. > > I believe the Guru's task is to supervise the removal of this sand. To allow him to proceed with this task, we have to surrender completely in the trust that She/He knows what they are doing . This means giving up the impermanent and other divisions in favor of trusting the Guru's instinct over my own. We know when we havent given up the impermanent, when the ego comes in the way sometimes with the question - "Does the Guru know what he is doing" . > > So I guess then the question is - As intelligent people, we cannot afford NOT to question and keep silent. At the same time we need to trust. So when can we question the Guru? Is there a protocol to the question? > > What are your responses dear readers? > > Om Sang Saraswatyai Namah > Om Sri Gurave Namah > > JAI MAA > Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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