Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 In a message dated 4/29/05 11:02:30 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, chandimaakijai writes: "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is> knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other> than this there is not a second path." Namaste, Tirukkural Prologue 1. In Praise Of God Of what avail is ( their ) learning ( to the learned ones ) if they do not worship the benign feet of the Pure Intelligence ? Om Namah Sivaya Kanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Pranams devotees. I will be helping out with posting the verses for a few days. Here is your verse from the Guru Gita: "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other than this there is not a second path." Let everyone take a moment to contemplate this. What is a Gita doing, anyway? Sometimes there are lines that are very specific, sometimes they are paradoxical. The purpose of the text is to take you beyond the conventional mind, the limited mind, the mind that says, "this and that is how it is." What indeed is the "intrinsic nature of all that is knowable?" Show me That! as the Zen Master would say. But this is not a superficial shrug, either. What is the intrinsic nature of all that is knowable? What is the essential nature of EVERYTHING? What is the UNITY that pervades ALL? This is taking you out of your mind, so let go of your hat and enjoy the ride. "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita here is expressing a very important concept, it is making a differentiation in its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and force and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of yourself. Lastly, "there is not a second path." This is a common phrase we read in texts. There is no second path. But we know there are many, many paths. From this PERSPECTIVE there is only one path, as we are within that path, we are participating in that path, we are not located mentally in picking and choosing a path. We are committed to this road, so we are not at this moment referring to the map. We are going at whatever speed we are going, but we are GOING to GOD DIRECTLY. pranams. discuss!!!! here is a sample question: "How does this verse relate to my own practice? What do I think about during the day? How can I organize my life for more spiritual work and be a benefit to all?" love s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Dear Steve, Thank you for posting Verse 100. It says : > "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is > knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other > than this there is not a second path." Frankly, this verse is going over my head. And raises questions of my own - "How does one fill one's mind with the intrinsic nature of all that is knowable?" Does anybody have any ideas ? For me it always comes back to the same answer - sadhana. And what does "realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable" mean ? Surely it should be "realize wisdom is one with the INTRINSIC nature of all that is knowable" ? Vedantins and Advaitins of this world -HELP !!! Brian are you reading this ? > "How does this verse relate to my own practice? What do I think about > during the day? How can I organize my life for more spiritual work and > be a benefit to all?" Aah, Steve, now this question I can answer. I think about coming home and doing sadhana . Then I find one chore, or one meeting (I work with an offshore team so my hours are crazy) that I am not able to set aside the uninterrupted 3 hours I need for my sadhana. When I think of your question "how can I organize my life for more spiritual work" , I can only think of Srini, who set aside 2 hours everyday for 108 days to do the Seedha Path. Jai Srini ! You dont know how much of an inspiration you are to me. I honestly believe that all the disorganization that one finds oneself in - wanting to do sadhana, but not finding the time will get resolved if only one is willing to stick with it and ride the pain points. Thanks again Steve. Jai Maa Nanda > love > > s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Dear friends, Although it feels a bit awkward to just dive in without having read the first hundred verses, I cannot resist the opportunity presenting itself now that the Class Schedule has been changed. I have a question, but if you have already discussed this before, please say so, and I will look in the file. Steve, you said: > "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita here is > expressing a very important concept, it is making a differentiation in > its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. could you explain which form of abstracted non-dualism you are referring to, so that I can understand the difference better? > This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and force > and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of > yourself. Would that knowledge imply that there still are two: knower and what is known (because what you see 'inside' of yourself is still 'not you'), or does the 'knowledge' of God (or the intrinsic nature of that which is knowable) that is referred to here mean that there is neither knower nor that which is known, but only an ever deepening 'knowing'? And what I would like to contribute: the text says: "let the mind be filled". This means the mind must be emptied first. We have to deepen the cup. Steve's sample question: "what do I think about during the day" is a good one, because it allows you to check if you are deepening the cup or filling it up, not with the intrinsic nature of all that is knowable, but with appearances and thoughts about circumstances etc. So it might be a good idea to ask yourself very often: "what am I thinking about right now?". Just asking the question creates some space. >Other than this there is not a second path." as I was just browsing through the commentary on the Kasyapa Sutra, I found this: "there is no one who is not on the path". So perhaps this means that, although there are many different forms of the path, in reality there IS only one path. We are all deepening our cup, some slower, some faster, for divine wisdom to fill it up. that's it from me, thank you for posting the verse and for this wonderful opportunity to learn, with love, Henny , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > Pranams devotees. I will be helping out with posting the verses for a > few days. Here is your verse from the Guru Gita: > > "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is > knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other > than this there is not a second path." > > Let everyone take a moment to contemplate this. > > What is a Gita doing, anyway? Sometimes there are lines that are very > specific, sometimes they are paradoxical. > > The purpose of the text is to take you beyond the conventional mind, > the limited mind, the mind that says, "this and that is how it is." > > What indeed is the "intrinsic nature of all that is knowable?" Show me > That! as the Zen Master would say. > > But this is not a superficial shrug, either. What is the intrinsic > nature of all that is knowable? What is the essential nature of > EVERYTHING? What is the UNITY that pervades ALL? > > This is taking you out of your mind, so let go of your hat and enjoy > the ride. > > "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita here is > expressing a very important concept, it is making a differentiation in > its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. > > This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and force > and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of > yourself. > > Lastly, "there is not a second path." This is a common phrase we read > in texts. There is no second path. But we know there are many, many > paths. From this PERSPECTIVE there is only one path, as we are within > that path, we are participating in that path, we are not located > mentally in picking and choosing a path. We are committed to this > road, so we are not at this moment referring to the map. We are going > at whatever speed we are going, but we are GOING to GOD DIRECTLY. > > pranams. discuss!!!! > > here is a sample question: > > "How does this verse relate to my own practice? What do I think about > during the day? How can I organize my life for more spiritual work and > be a benefit to all?" > > love > > s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Hi Henny Great comments! The non-dual reference was about a line of advaitic thinking that posits God as unknowable -- which in a logical sense is true, but unfortunately delays the spiritual path of otherwise well-meaning souls. Desire is blocked, so we don't move. We know we are one, but we play as if we are two. Jai Maa, peace to you, steve , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote: > Dear friends, > > Although it feels a bit awkward to just dive in without having read > the first hundred verses, I cannot resist the opportunity presenting > itself now that the Class Schedule has been changed. > I have a question, but if you have already discussed this before, > please say so, and I will look in the file. Steve, you said: > > > "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita here > is > > expressing a very important concept, it is making a differentiation > in > > its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. > > could you explain which form of abstracted non-dualism you are > referring to, so that I can understand the difference better? > > > This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and force > > and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of > > yourself. > > Would that knowledge imply that there still are two: knower and what > is known (because what you see 'inside' of yourself is still 'not > you'), or does the 'knowledge' of God (or the intrinsic nature of that > which is knowable) that is referred to here mean that there is neither > knower nor that which is known, but only an ever deepening 'knowing'? > > And what I would like to contribute: > > the text says: "let the mind be filled". This means the mind must be > emptied first. We have to deepen the cup. Steve's sample question: > "what do I think about during the day" is a good one, because it > allows you to check if you are deepening the cup or filling it up, not > with the intrinsic nature of all that is knowable, but with > appearances and thoughts about circumstances etc. So it might be a > good idea to ask yourself very often: "what am I thinking about right > now?". Just asking the question creates some space. > > > >Other than this there is not a second path." > as I was just browsing through the commentary on the Kasyapa Sutra, I > found this: "there is no one who is not on the path". So perhaps this > means that, although there are many different forms of the path, in > reality there IS only one path. We are all deepening our cup, some > slower, some faster, for divine wisdom to fill it up. > > that's it from me, > thank you for posting the verse and for this wonderful opportunity to > learn, > > with love, > Henny > > > , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> > wrote: > > Pranams devotees. I will be helping out with posting the verses for > a > > few days. Here is your verse from the Guru Gita: > > > > "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is > > knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other > > than this there is not a second path." > > > > Let everyone take a moment to contemplate this. > > > > What is a Gita doing, anyway? Sometimes there are lines that are > very > > specific, sometimes they are paradoxical. > > > > The purpose of the text is to take you beyond the conventional mind, > > the limited mind, the mind that says, "this and that is how it is." > > > > What indeed is the "intrinsic nature of all that is knowable?" Show > me > > That! as the Zen Master would say. > > > > But this is not a superficial shrug, either. What is the intrinsic > > nature of all that is knowable? What is the essential nature of > > EVERYTHING? What is the UNITY that pervades ALL? > > > > This is taking you out of your mind, so let go of your hat and enjoy > > the ride. > > > > "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita here > is > > expressing a very important concept, it is making a differentiation > in > > its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. > > > > This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and force > > and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of > > yourself. > > > > Lastly, "there is not a second path." This is a common phrase we > read > > in texts. There is no second path. But we know there are many, many > > paths. From this PERSPECTIVE there is only one path, as we are > within > > that path, we are participating in that path, we are not located > > mentally in picking and choosing a path. We are committed to this > > road, so we are not at this moment referring to the map. We are > going > > at whatever speed we are going, but we are GOING to GOD DIRECTLY. > > > > pranams. discuss!!!! > > > > here is a sample question: > > > > "How does this verse relate to my own practice? What do I think > about > > during the day? How can I organize my life for more spiritual work > and > > be a benefit to all?" > > > > love > > > > s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Hi All, Notwithstanding Steve's comments, which were quite good I thought, I think this verse is also a restatement, in different terms, of the previous few verses, all of which instruct us to fill our mind with guru. In verse 93 (and elsewhere, I think) guru is described as "the intrinsic nature of wisdom," who is "completely united with his own knowledge." So in this verse (100), "filling the mind with the intrinsic nature of all that is knowable" is another way of saying "fill the mind with the guru." There is no other path than this. Chris , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > Pranams devotees. I will be helping out with posting the verses for a > few days. Here is your verse from the Guru Gita: > > "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is > knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other > than this there is not a second path." > > Let everyone take a moment to contemplate this. > > What is a Gita doing, anyway? Sometimes there are lines that are very > specific, sometimes they are paradoxical. > > The purpose of the text is to take you beyond the conventional mind, > the limited mind, the mind that says, "this and that is how it is." > > What indeed is the "intrinsic nature of all that is knowable?" Show me > That! as the Zen Master would say. > > But this is not a superficial shrug, either. What is the intrinsic > nature of all that is knowable? What is the essential nature of > EVERYTHING? What is the UNITY that pervades ALL? > > This is taking you out of your mind, so let go of your hat and enjoy > the ride. > > "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita here is > expressing a very important concept, it is making a differentiation in > its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. > > This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and force > and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of > yourself. > > Lastly, "there is not a second path." This is a common phrase we read > in texts. There is no second path. But we know there are many, many > paths. From this PERSPECTIVE there is only one path, as we are within > that path, we are participating in that path, we are not located > mentally in picking and choosing a path. We are committed to this > road, so we are not at this moment referring to the map. We are going > at whatever speed we are going, but we are GOING to GOD DIRECTLY. > > pranams. discuss!!!! > > here is a sample question: > > "How does this verse relate to my own practice? What do I think about > during the day? How can I organize my life for more spiritual work and > be a benefit to all?" > > love > > s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 > "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is > knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other > than this there is not a second path." In the previous verses Lord Siva tells us that it is only the Guru and that is all he wants us to get from him, and then we are told that when we meditate on the Guru in this way that wisdom will rise of its own accord, and that we should keep the attidude of being liberated because that is what the Guru is doing with us, and that the mind becomes pure from holding this attitude and receiving through intuitive vision, and with this purified mind we are to let go of limiting attachments to the impermanent and divisiveness. Now, in this verse, we are to be open to the Guru granting us omniscience. That all knowledge is free to flow through us by the Guru's grace. I find this verse a call for us to let go of doubt and be open to that true Source of wisdom and all that is knowable - the Guru. We are to be open to it blossoming intuitively in our own minds. love and blessings Jai Maa Jai Swamiji Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Thanks for the clarification, Steve. 'Desire is blocked, so we don't move'. I love this, because often you hear people talking about 'giving up desire' in a way which turns them into lifeless zombies. Let's move!!! with love, Henny , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > Hi Henny > > Great comments! > > The non-dual reference was about a line of advaitic thinking that > posits God as unknowable -- which in a logical sense is true, but > unfortunately delays the spiritual path of otherwise well-meaning > souls. Desire is blocked, so we don't move. We know we are one, but we > play as if we are two. > > Jai Maa, peace to you, > > steve > > , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > Although it feels a bit awkward to just dive in without having read > > the first hundred verses, I cannot resist the opportunity > presenting > > itself now that the Class Schedule has been changed. > > I have a question, but if you have already discussed this before, > > please say so, and I will look in the file. Steve, you said: > > > > > "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita > here > > is > > > expressing a very important concept, it is making a > differentiation > > in > > > its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. > > > > could you explain which form of abstracted non-dualism you are > > referring to, so that I can understand the difference better? > > > > > This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and > force > > > and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of > > > yourself. > > > > Would that knowledge imply that there still are two: knower and > what > > is known (because what you see 'inside' of yourself is still 'not > > you'), or does the 'knowledge' of God (or the intrinsic nature of > that > > which is knowable) that is referred to here mean that there is > neither > > knower nor that which is known, but only an ever deepening > 'knowing'? > > > > And what I would like to contribute: > > > > the text says: "let the mind be filled". This means the mind must > be > > emptied first. We have to deepen the cup. Steve's sample question: > > "what do I think about during the day" is a good one, because it > > allows you to check if you are deepening the cup or filling it up, > not > > with the intrinsic nature of all that is knowable, but with > > appearances and thoughts about circumstances etc. So it might be a > > good idea to ask yourself very often: "what am I thinking about > right > > now?". Just asking the question creates some space. > > > > > > >Other than this there is not a second path." > > as I was just browsing through the commentary on the Kasyapa Sutra, > I > > found this: "there is no one who is not on the path". So perhaps > this > > means that, although there are many different forms of the path, in > > reality there IS only one path. We are all deepening our cup, some > > slower, some faster, for divine wisdom to fill it up. > > > > that's it from me, > > thank you for posting the verse and for this wonderful opportunity > to > > learn, > > > > with love, > > Henny > > > > > > , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> > > wrote: > > > Pranams devotees. I will be helping out with posting the verses > for > > a > > > few days. Here is your verse from the Guru Gita: > > > > > > "Let the mind be filled with the intrinsic nature of all that is > > > knowable. Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable. Other > > > than this there is not a second path." > > > > > > Let everyone take a moment to contemplate this. > > > > > > What is a Gita doing, anyway? Sometimes there are lines that are > > very > > > specific, sometimes they are paradoxical. > > > > > > The purpose of the text is to take you beyond the conventional > mind, > > > the limited mind, the mind that says, "this and that is how it > is." > > > > > > What indeed is the "intrinsic nature of all that is knowable?" > Show > > me > > > That! as the Zen Master would say. > > > > > > But this is not a superficial shrug, either. What is the intrinsic > > > nature of all that is knowable? What is the essential nature of > > > EVERYTHING? What is the UNITY that pervades ALL? > > > > > > This is taking you out of your mind, so let go of your hat and > enjoy > > > the ride. > > > > > > "Realize wisdom is one with that which is knowable." The Gita > here > > is > > > expressing a very important concept, it is making a > differentiation > > in > > > its views from a particular form of abstracted non-dualism. > > > > > > This wisdom is KNOWABLE. God can be KNOWN. With the impact and > force > > > and conviction as powerful as anything that you see "outside" of > > > yourself. > > > > > > Lastly, "there is not a second path." This is a common phrase we > > read > > > in texts. There is no second path. But we know there are many, > many > > > paths. From this PERSPECTIVE there is only one path, as we are > > within > > > that path, we are participating in that path, we are not located > > > mentally in picking and choosing a path. We are committed to this > > > road, so we are not at this moment referring to the map. We are > > going > > > at whatever speed we are going, but we are GOING to GOD DIRECTLY. > > > > > > pranams. discuss!!!! > > > > > > here is a sample question: > > > > > > "How does this verse relate to my own practice? What do I think > > about > > > during the day? How can I organize my life for more spiritual > work > > and > > > be a benefit to all?" > > > > > > love > > > > > > s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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