Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Guru Gita Verse 102 The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as aworshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves accordingto his own rhythm." Dear all ~ this reminds me of a story in Sahib Sadhu where Swamiji was coming back from the cremation grounds with Sushil and Panchu. Swamiji was walking somewhat unsteadily, and a group of people from Calcutta started to attack him verbally, saying he was drunk and had come to destroy their religion. Panchu picked up a stick and threatened the crowd. Swamiji took Panchu's arm and told him not to argue over whether or not he was drunk. He said, "the truth is I am drunk with the love of God." Then his attackers fell at his feet, ofering devotion. Most gurus I have heard about or met move according to their own rhythm, and they have their own reasons. I don't think this verse is telling us not to use our discrimination, for there are false gurus. But having once found a true Guru, the admonition is to treat the Guru as a worshipful God, not as a God, but as a worshipful God. This perplexes me a bit, but I suspect it has something to do with respect and reverence toward the Guru. Just as the Guru is a worshipful God, we are worshipful devotees. As always the Guru is the example. Sometimes Maa is so quiet She is hardly there. Sometimes She sings quite loudly and encourages devotees to sing and dance. Sometimes She sings softly. Sometimes Swamiji is so dedicated to task and efficient as to seem somewhat formidable (as when he told me to get out of the way as I was trying to talk to Shree Maa, but he was building the yagya ... I was in the way). Sometimes he is so funny and approachable. Sometimes he ascends to realms of bliss so we can only watch with wonder. All of these and more are the Guru moving to His or Her own rhythm. May we be blessed to keep up. Jai Maa , Jai Swamiji ~ Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves according to his own rhythm." It must be fate I am commenting on these particular verses! I have done that, given up on a Guru, because he moved according to his own rhythm. Isn't there more than one way to learn? Some of us take the long and winding road, and do everything "wrong" first. Jai Maa! How long those battles are in human years in the Chandi! Let's take a moment to think of the various relationships with Gurus we might know about. How patient were the devotees, who had to wait for Ramana Maharshi to speak, for example. Those of us who are from Western cultures can also take a moment to consider our own natures. Are we innately given to surrender, faith, etc.? Have we been acculturated into a very different set of attitudes? We need to embrace our limitations, recognize them, and if necessary, adapt our approach and expectation of the Way. Inherent to the Eternal way is the Guru. Almost every text states this, although many of us have thought very deeply, is this inherent or not? What is Truth? This even brings us closer to our daily lives: I live here, my Guru lives there, etc. In a sense, we are confronting all our limitations in the microcosm of this relationship. So again, what is this verse asking? It is saying, HAVE SOME FAITH. Faith. Surrender. We have to WORK at that! LET HIM BE. The Guru is who he is. We are who we are. At a miraculous place we are ONE. GIVE the freedom you yourself desire. JAI MAA. VICTORY TO YOU ALL. steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Dear Steve, you said: > Those of us who are from Western cultures can also take a moment to > consider our own natures. Are we innately given to surrender, faith, > etc.? Have we been acculturated into a very different set of > attitudes? We need to embrace our limitations, recognize them, and if > necessary, adapt our approach and expectation of the Way. I feel Westerners face a special battle with Too Much and Too Little when engaging in a relationship with a Guru: we want too much and give too little. We tend to want a fast (and preferably easy) road to enlightenment and at the same time we don't want to give up anything in return. Patience and Perseverance, and indeed, like you said, Faith and Surrender are the weapons we need. I have turned away from a Guru many times, because he/she moved according to his/her own rhythm, and only now do I realize that he/she has been waiting in another guise for me to find the way to the door again. Patience and Perseverance, Faith and Surrender, the weapons are theirs, not ours. > LET HIM BE. The Guru is who he is. We are who we are. At a miraculous > place we are ONE. GIVE the freedom you yourself desire. This is so beautiful!!!!!!! thank you, with love, Henny , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves according > to his own rhythm." > > It must be fate I am commenting on these particular verses! I have > done that, given up on a Guru, because he moved according to his own > rhythm. > > Isn't there more than one way to learn? Some of us take the long and > winding road, and do everything "wrong" first. Jai Maa! How long those > battles are in human years in the Chandi! > > Let's take a moment to think of the various relationships with Gurus > we might know about. How patient were the devotees, who had to wait > for Ramana Maharshi to speak, for example. > > Those of us who are from Western cultures can also take a moment to > consider our own natures. Are we innately given to surrender, faith, > etc.? Have we been acculturated into a very different set of > attitudes? We need to embrace our limitations, recognize them, and if > necessary, adapt our approach and expectation of the Way. > > Inherent to the Eternal way is the Guru. Almost every text states > this, although many of us have thought very deeply, is this inherent > or not? What is Truth? > > This even brings us closer to our daily lives: I live here, my Guru > lives there, etc. > > In a sense, we are confronting all our limitations in the microcosm of > this relationship. > > So again, what is this verse asking? It is saying, HAVE SOME FAITH. > Faith. Surrender. We have to WORK at that! > > LET HIM BE. The Guru is who he is. We are who we are. At a miraculous > place we are ONE. GIVE the freedom you yourself desire. > > JAI MAA. VICTORY TO YOU ALL. > > steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 jai maa henny. i sense you are a very good person. peace peace peace to you. , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote: > Dear Steve, > > you said: > > Those of us who are from Western cultures can also take a moment to > > consider our own natures. Are we innately given to surrender, faith, > > etc.? Have we been acculturated into a very different set of > > attitudes? We need to embrace our limitations, recognize them, and > if > > necessary, adapt our approach and expectation of the Way. > > I feel Westerners face a special battle with Too Much and Too Little > when engaging in a relationship with a Guru: we want too much and give > too little. We tend to want a fast (and preferably easy) road to > enlightenment and at the same time we don't want to give up anything > in return. Patience and Perseverance, and indeed, like you said, Faith > and Surrender are the weapons we need. > > I have turned away from a Guru many times, because he/she moved > according to his/her own rhythm, and only now do I realize that he/she > has been waiting in another guise for me to find the way to the door > again. Patience and Perseverance, Faith and Surrender, the weapons are > theirs, not ours. > > > LET HIM BE. The Guru is who he is. We are who we are. At a > miraculous > > place we are ONE. GIVE the freedom you yourself desire. > > This is so beautiful!!!!!!! > > thank you, > > with love, > Henny > > , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> > wrote: > > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a > > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves > according > > to his own rhythm." > > > > It must be fate I am commenting on these particular verses! I have > > done that, given up on a Guru, because he moved according to his own > > rhythm. > > > > Isn't there more than one way to learn? Some of us take the long and > > winding road, and do everything "wrong" first. Jai Maa! How long > those > > battles are in human years in the Chandi! > > > > Let's take a moment to think of the various relationships with Gurus > > we might know about. How patient were the devotees, who had to wait > > for Ramana Maharshi to speak, for example. > > > > Those of us who are from Western cultures can also take a moment to > > consider our own natures. Are we innately given to surrender, faith, > > etc.? Have we been acculturated into a very different set of > > attitudes? We need to embrace our limitations, recognize them, and > if > > necessary, adapt our approach and expectation of the Way. > > > > Inherent to the Eternal way is the Guru. Almost every text states > > this, although many of us have thought very deeply, is this inherent > > or not? What is Truth? > > > > This even brings us closer to our daily lives: I live here, my Guru > > lives there, etc. > > > > In a sense, we are confronting all our limitations in the microcosm > of > > this relationship. > > > > So again, what is this verse asking? It is saying, HAVE SOME FAITH. > > Faith. Surrender. We have to WORK at that! > > > > LET HIM BE. The Guru is who he is. We are who we are. At a > miraculous > > place we are ONE. GIVE the freedom you yourself desire. > > > > JAI MAA. VICTORY TO YOU ALL. > > > > steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 , nierika@a... wrote: > Guru Gita Verse 102 > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves according to his own rhythm" Beloved Lindaji, what you related to this verse in regards to our own beloved Shree Maa and dear Swamiji was so perfect and so beautiful! You said: "Sometimes Maa is so quiet She is hardly there. Sometimes She sings quite loudly and encourages devotees to sing and dance. Sometimes She sings softly. Sometimes Swamiji is so dedicated to task and efficient as to seem somewhat formidable (as when he told me to get out of the way as I was trying to talk to Shree Maa, but he was building the yagya ... I was in the way). Sometimes he is so funny and approachable. Sometimes he ascends to realms of bliss so we > can only watch with wonder. > All of these and more are the Guru moving to His or Her own rhythm. May we be blessed to keep up." Jai Guru! Indeed! May we blessed to keep up! Jai Chandi Shree Maa! Jai Shiva Swamiji! Jai Thakur Ramakrishna Deva! Your sister always, muktimaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Steve wrote: > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves according > to his own rhythm." > Dear Steve, Thank you for posting the verse and your thoughts. This is a very challenging verse - what constitutes the Guru moving in his own rhythm versus someone just taking us for a ride? I believe the answer again lies in our intent. What are we near the Guru for ? What are we searching ? What do we hope that this Guru will bring into our lives? I believe the more prepared we are , the better we can discriminate as to who our Guru is. Then like in any relationship, we learn how to gauge and make allowances for the other person , without impacting the love and respect that we have for them. I believe we truly cannot intellectually understand the Guru. But we CAN understand the changes that are being caused within us due to our constant association with the Guru. So when we are certain about ourselves, we learn to make room for the Guru's ways in the knowledge that we dont know what the Guru is upto, but based on the past history, we can reasonably be sure that (S)he will keep us on track. Sometimes I think this is like negotiating with a car salesman - the more prepared and better researched we are, the fewer the chances of getting a fast one pulled on us. So too in spiritual life, like Swamiji says, what is my goal ? what do I really want ? I'd like to share a small story - this incident happened several months ago. Once after a lot of turbulent emotions and much soul- searching , I came to what I thought was the answer. I wanted to be a Sadhu aka renouncing everything in favor of God. I felt very happy that I had come to this noble decision and approached Maa , confident that She would be pleased with me. She heard me, smiled and said ,"Good, A sadhu means being efficient. Now you have to make your goal" and then turned away to another task. I was a little disappointed then , for had I not made the supreme sacrifice , or so it seemed to me ? Now, months later, I can see where She is leading me. How can I learn from Her when I dont know what it is that I want to learn? ie the step - have a clear GOAL. When my goals are clear, there are fewer chances of me being taken for a ride, and then the Guru will be my Guru for the right reasons. And if this Guru acts in his own rhythm, I will just shake my head mystified, but keep doing sadhana as S(he) prescribed. Long answer for this short verse. JAIIIIII GURU Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Lieve Nanda, I loved your small story! Let me tell you one: about five years ago, I joined a school in the Western Mystery Tradition, which teaches by correspondence. I eagerly awaited the first lesson, and when it came, I found that it consisted of one question: 'what do you want?'. Somewhat taken aback, I too, after careful consideration, decided I should hold nothing back and go for the big renunciation (even though the lesson said to keep it small). So I solemnly wrote down my decision, and then...found I could not do anything. I just did not know what to do next, how to start and of course I failed miserably coming anywhere close to my goal. Since then, having had that sobering insight, I have had to restate my goal many times, until I finally decided on one that I found to be 'workable'.It is that goal, which I've used as a compass for the past few years, that has led me directly to this door. Now, this is something I did not expect! And the question remains: 'what do you want?'. with love, Henny , "Nanda" <chandimaakijai> wrote: > Steve wrote: > > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a > > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves > according > > to his own rhythm." > > > Dear Steve, > Thank you for posting the verse and your thoughts. > > This is a very challenging verse - what constitutes the Guru moving > in his own rhythm versus someone just taking us for a ride? > > I believe the answer again lies in our intent. What are we near the > Guru for ? What are we searching ? What do we hope that this Guru > will bring into our lives? > > I believe the more prepared we are , the better we can discriminate > as to who our Guru is. Then like in any relationship, we learn how > to gauge and make allowances for the other person , without > impacting the love and respect that we have for them. > > I believe we truly cannot intellectually understand the Guru. But we > CAN understand the changes that are being caused within us due to > our constant association with the Guru. So when we are certain about > ourselves, we learn to make room for the Guru's ways in the > knowledge that we dont know what the Guru is upto, but based on the > past history, we can reasonably be sure that (S)he will keep us on > track. > > Sometimes I think this is like negotiating with a car salesman - the > more prepared and better researched we are, the fewer the chances of > getting a fast one pulled on us. > So too in spiritual life, like Swamiji says, what is my goal ? what > do I really want ? > > I'd like to share a small story - this incident happened several > months ago. Once after a lot of turbulent emotions and much soul- > searching , I came to what I thought was the answer. I wanted to be > a Sadhu aka renouncing everything in favor of God. I felt very happy > that I had come to this noble decision and approached Maa , > confident that She would be pleased with me. > She heard me, smiled and said ,"Good, A sadhu means being efficient. > Now you have to make your goal" and then turned away to another task. > I was a little disappointed then , for had I not made the supreme > sacrifice , or so it seemed to me ? > Now, months later, I can see where She is leading me. How can I > learn from Her when I dont know what it is that I want to learn? ie > the step - have a clear GOAL. > When my goals are clear, there are fewer chances of me being taken > for a ride, and then the Guru will be my Guru for the right reasons. > And if this Guru acts in his own rhythm, I will just shake my head > mystified, but keep doing sadhana as S(he) prescribed. > > Long answer for this short verse. > > JAIIIIII GURU > Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Steve, I really don't believe you erred. I am curious about the reference to "the body" in this verse. Now, referring to one's body as "the body" is kind of common in monastic lingo, but in this case there are two people involved, the reader and the guru. So whose body is being referred to here (perhaps both)? I guess what I'm curious about is how does the relationship change when one of them drops the body (esp. the guru). Chris , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves according > to his own rhythm." > > It must be fate I am commenting on these particular verses! I have > done that, given up on a Guru, because he moved according to his own > rhythm. > > Isn't there more than one way to learn? Some of us take the long and > winding road, and do everything "wrong" first. Jai Maa! How long those > battles are in human years in the Chandi! > > Let's take a moment to think of the various relationships with Gurus > we might know about. How patient were the devotees, who had to wait > for Ramana Maharshi to speak, for example. > > Those of us who are from Western cultures can also take a moment to > consider our own natures. Are we innately given to surrender, faith, > etc.? Have we been acculturated into a very different set of > attitudes? We need to embrace our limitations, recognize them, and if > necessary, adapt our approach and expectation of the Way. > > Inherent to the Eternal way is the Guru. Almost every text states > this, although many of us have thought very deeply, is this inherent > or not? What is Truth? > > This even brings us closer to our daily lives: I live here, my Guru > lives there, etc. > > In a sense, we are confronting all our limitations in the microcosm of > this relationship. > > So again, what is this verse asking? It is saying, HAVE SOME FAITH. > Faith. Surrender. We have to WORK at that! > > LET HIM BE. The Guru is who he is. We are who we are. At a miraculous > place we are ONE. GIVE the freedom you yourself desire. > > JAI MAA. VICTORY TO YOU ALL. > > steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Hi Chris, Good question. I believe "so long the body shall exist" here means "for as long as I (the body) am alive" , to keep the remembrance of the Guru as the ideal of worship . However, off to Swamiji the question goes... Jai Maa Nanda , "Chris Kirner" < chriskirner1956> wrote: > Steve, > > I really don't believe you erred. > > I am curious about the reference to "the body" in this verse. Now, > referring to one's body as "the body" is kind of common in monastic > lingo, but in this case there are two people involved, the reader and > the guru. So whose body is being referred to here (perhaps both)? > > I guess what I'm curious about is how does the relationship change > when one of them drops the body (esp. the guru). > > Chris > > > > , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as a > > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves according > > to his own rhythm." > > > > It must be fate I am commenting on these particular verses! I have > > done that, given up on a Guru, because he moved according to his own > > rhythm. > > > > Isn't there more than one way to learn? Some of us take the long and > > winding road, and do everything "wrong" first. Jai Maa! How long those > > battles are in human years in the Chandi! > > > > Let's take a moment to think of the various relationships with Gurus > > we might know about. How patient were the devotees, who had to wait > > for Ramana Maharshi to speak, for example. > > > > Those of us who are from Western cultures can also take a moment to > > consider our own natures. Are we innately given to surrender, faith, > > etc.? Have we been acculturated into a very different set of > > attitudes? We need to embrace our limitations, recognize them, and if > > necessary, adapt our approach and expectation of the Way. > > > > Inherent to the Eternal way is the Guru. Almost every text states > > this, although many of us have thought very deeply, is this inherent > > or not? What is Truth? > > > > This even brings us closer to our daily lives: I live here, my Guru > > lives there, etc. > > > > In a sense, we are confronting all our limitations in the microcosm of > > this relationship. > > > > So again, what is this verse asking? It is saying, HAVE SOME FAITH. > > Faith. Surrender. We have to WORK at that! > > > > LET HIM BE. The Guru is who he is. We are who we are. At a miraculous > > place we are ONE. GIVE the freedom you yourself desire. > > > > JAI MAA. VICTORY TO YOU ALL. > > > > steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Lieve Henny, Thank you for sharing your story. Yes, the GOAL - Lakshya - is so very important. Swamiji has given this so much importance in the Chandi by the first two asuras killed - Too Much and Too Little. He says we can determine if we have Too Much or Too Little, if only we know "For What ?" During the autumn navaratri, just prior to the 8th day (for Lakshmi) , he makes us sit with pen and paper in hand and write down our goals. Then we offer them to Lakshmi. This, to me , is a way of saying ,"This is what I want to do, so help me God" Love Nanda , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote: > Lieve Nanda, > > I loved your small story! > Let me tell you one: about five years ago, I joined a school in the > Western Mystery Tradition, which teaches by correspondence. I eagerly > awaited the first lesson, and when it came, I found that it consisted > of one question: 'what do you want?'. Somewhat taken aback, I too, > after careful consideration, decided I should hold nothing back and go > for the big renunciation (even though the lesson said to keep it > small). So I solemnly wrote down my decision, and then...found I could > not do anything. I just did not know what to do next, how to start and > of course I failed miserably coming anywhere close to my goal. Since > then, having had that sobering insight, I have had to restate my goal > many times, until I finally decided on one that I found to be > 'workable'.It is that goal, which I've used as a compass for the past > few years, that has led me directly to this door. Now, this is > something I did not expect! And the question remains: 'what do you > want?'. > > with love, > Henny > > , "Nanda" <chandimaakijai> > wrote: > > Steve wrote: > > > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as > a > > > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves > > according > > > to his own rhythm." > > > > > Dear Steve, > > Thank you for posting the verse and your thoughts. > > > > This is a very challenging verse - what constitutes the Guru moving > > in his own rhythm versus someone just taking us for a ride? > > > > I believe the answer again lies in our intent. What are we near the > > Guru for ? What are we searching ? What do we hope that this Guru > > will bring into our lives? > > > > I believe the more prepared we are , the better we can discriminate > > as to who our Guru is. Then like in any relationship, we learn how > > to gauge and make allowances for the other person , without > > impacting the love and respect that we have for them. > > > > I believe we truly cannot intellectually understand the Guru. But we > > CAN understand the changes that are being caused within us due to > > our constant association with the Guru. So when we are certain about > > ourselves, we learn to make room for the Guru's ways in the > > knowledge that we dont know what the Guru is upto, but based on the > > past history, we can reasonably be sure that (S)he will keep us on > > track. > > > > Sometimes I think this is like negotiating with a car salesman - the > > more prepared and better researched we are, the fewer the chances of > > getting a fast one pulled on us. > > So too in spiritual life, like Swamiji says, what is my goal ? what > > do I really want ? > > > > I'd like to share a small story - this incident happened several > > months ago. Once after a lot of turbulent emotions and much soul- > > searching , I came to what I thought was the answer. I wanted to be > > a Sadhu aka renouncing everything in favor of God. I felt very happy > > that I had come to this noble decision and approached Maa , > > confident that She would be pleased with me. > > She heard me, smiled and said ,"Good, A sadhu means being efficient. > > Now you have to make your goal" and then turned away to another > task. > > I was a little disappointed then , for had I not made the supreme > > sacrifice , or so it seemed to me ? > > Now, months later, I can see where She is leading me. How can I > > learn from Her when I dont know what it is that I want to learn? ie > > the step - have a clear GOAL. > > When my goals are clear, there are fewer chances of me being taken > > for a ride, and then the Guru will be my Guru for the right reasons. > > And if this Guru acts in his own rhythm, I will just shake my head > > mystified, but keep doing sadhana as S(he) prescribed. > > > > Long answer for this short verse. > > > > JAIIIIII GURU > > Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Lieve Henny,Thank you for sharing your story. Yes, the GOAL - Lakshya - is so very important. Swamiji has given this so much importance in the Chandi by the first two asuras killed - Too Much and Too Little.He says we can determine if we have Too Much or Too Little, if only we know "For What ?"During the autumn navaratri, just prior to the 8th day (for Lakshmi) , he makes us sit with pen and paper in hand and write down our goals. Then we offer them to Lakshmi. This, to me , is a way of saying ,"This is what I want to do, so help me God"LoveNanda, "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:> Lieve Nanda,> > I loved your small story! > Let me tell you one: about five years ago, I joined a school in the > Western Mystery Tradition, which teaches by correspondence. I eagerly > awaited the first lesson, and when it came, I found that it consisted > of one question: 'what do you want?'. Somewhat taken aback, I too, > after careful consideration, decided I should hold nothing back and go > for the big renunciation (even though the lesson said to keep it > small). So I solemnly wrote down my decision, and then...found I could > not do anything. I just did not know what to do next, how to start and > of course I failed miserably coming anywhere close to my goal. Since > then, having had that sobering insight, I have had to restate my goal > many times, until I finally decided on one that I found to be > 'workable'.It is that goal, which I've used as a compass for the past > few years, that has led me directly to this door. Now, this is > something I did not expect! And the question remains: 'what do you > want?'. > > with love,> Henny> > , "Nanda" <chandimaakijai> > wrote:> > Steve wrote:> > > The verse: "So long as the body may remain, remember your Guru as > a> > > worshipful God. Do not give up on the Guru, even if he moves > > according> > > to his own rhythm."> > > > > Dear Steve,> > Thank you for posting the verse and your thoughts.> > > > This is a very challenging verse - what constitutes the Guru moving > > in his own rhythm versus someone just taking us for a ride?> > > > I believe the answer again lies in our intent. What are we near the > > Guru for ? What are we searching ? What do we hope that this Guru > > will bring into our lives? > > > > I believe the more prepared we are , the better we can discriminate > > as to who our Guru is. Then like in any relationship, we learn how > > to gauge and make allowances for the other person , without > > impacting the love and respect that we have for them.> > > > I believe we truly cannot intellectually understand the Guru. But we > > CAN understand the changes that are being caused within us due to > > our constant association with the Guru. So when we are certain about > > ourselves, we learn to make room for the Guru's ways in the > > knowledge that we dont know what the Guru is upto, but based on the > > past history, we can reasonably be sure that (S)he will keep us on > > track.> > > > Sometimes I think this is like negotiating with a car salesman - the > > more prepared and better researched we are, the fewer the chances of > > getting a fast one pulled on us.> > So too in spiritual life, like Swamiji says, what is my goal ? what > > do I really want ?> > > > I'd like to share a small story - this incident happened several > > months ago. Once after a lot of turbulent emotions and much soul-> > searching , I came to what I thought was the answer. I wanted to be > > a Sadhu aka renouncing everything in favor of God. I felt very happy > > that I had come to this noble decision and approached Maa , > > confident that She would be pleased with me. > > She heard me, smiled and said ,"Good, A sadhu means being efficient. > > Now you have to make your goal" and then turned away to another > task.> > I was a little disappointed then , for had I not made the supreme > > sacrifice , or so it seemed to me ?> > Now, months later, I can see where She is leading me. How can I > > learn from Her when I dont know what it is that I want to learn? ie > > the step - have a clear GOAL.> > When my goals are clear, there are fewer chances of me being taken > > for a ride, and then the Guru will be my Guru for the right reasons. > > And if this Guru acts in his own rhythm, I will just shake my head > > mystified, but keep doing sadhana as S(he) prescribed.> > > > Long answer for this short verse.> > > > JAIIIIII GURU> > NandaKalacandra ddConverse com seus amigos em tempo real com o Messenger http://br.download./messenger/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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