Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Dear all, I'm just wondering: we can decide to do our utmost not to lie consciously. But what about the times when we don't even realize we are lying? Is learning how to live in Truth the same as learning to recognize the lies that are ingrained in our very idea of our personal identity; to become ever more conscious of untruth? Layer after layer of untruths, being peeled off in order to reveal the core of Truth: who does the peeling? with love Henny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 , "muktimaa" <muktimaa@a...> wrote: > > > > "Intelligent disciples should never speak lies with untruth or > > > egotism. Always speak truth before the Guru." > > Namaste beloved family, > To me this stanza implies that we do not lie...period. Since the Guru > is everywhere in all things animate and inanimate, we are always in > the Presence of the Guru.[Where is God not?] We must strive to be > True...for our heart and minds to be in perfect harmony. One of the > hardest things, though, is to know when to speak and when to keep > silent. Namaste beloved family, i just came upon a interesting example told by one of Paramahansa Yoganandaji's disciples in regards to amother one of the Master's disciples. The situation is that someone named Boone had caused someone considerable inconvenience by revealing, in answer to a question, something that hadn't needed to be said. He was scolded for doing so, and tried to justify himself by saying, "I only wanted to be honest, that is why I told the truth." This matter was later reported to the Master[Yoganandaji],who commented indignantly, "Suppose someone came to me with the Holy Bible, the Bhagavad Gita,and every great scripture in the world and said to me, 'If I tell you something, will you swear on these Sacred Books never to repeat what I have said?' And supposing I in good faith replied, 'Yes, Yes, I promise.' And then, supposing further, he told me, 'I have put a rattlesnake in M______'s bed!' What would I do? It would have been wrong on my part to promise, but then should I compound that mistake by saying, 'Oh, dear, I have promised; now I must say nothing?' Which is worse, to break a promise, or to let someone be killed if I am in a position to save him? Of course, I would speak out!Imagine that boy [boone] causing serious trouble, then trying to justify himself by saying he only wanted to tell the truth! "Truth is always BENEFICIAL. Boone wasn't telling the truth, for what he did resulted in harm. What he stated was in fact only, not a truth. He need not have answered at all! It would have been far better for him to say nothing. If he needed to speak, however, it would have been better at least to equivocate than to let someone be hurt as a consequence." [From Converstions with Yogananda by Swami Kriyananda] i hope my dear family found this story as enlightening as i did! :<D Jai Chandi Shree Maa! Jai Shiva Swamiji! Jai Thakur Ramakrishna Deva! Your sister always, muktimaa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Steve and all, > > > > When do we lie in front of a Guru? > > I think , and speaking for myself, it is mostly to preserve an > image > > of ourselves. The very image that we are seeking to shatter and > > replace with a reflection of the Guru. > > > > I dont believe this means that we need to let on all the guilt > trips > > and unburden our hopes and desires and fantasies . Or in the name > of > > being honest, be brutally frank. I believe this means that we give > > the straight answer to the straight question and live with the > > consequences. > > > > Ah the blessings of a clear conscience. Where the mind is without > > fear and the head is held high ... > > > > Jai Guru > > Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Muktimaa said: > > Lies=ego Truth=God > Once , Parvati (the disciple , not the Goddess ) had posted a question on the group "What is your definition of truth". I pondered long and hard but couldnt come up with a definition. Today, what you posted "Truth=God" I want to adopt as my definition. It states it perfectly - not a word more needed. Thank you. Jai Guru Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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