Guru Gita vs 106

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We understand you very well and you are correct. This is mentioned in the Chandi.

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KaliaKala Chandra <kalachandra2003 .br> wrote:

I think this is like the story of Chandi. The Gods was without Guru.

They are without energy. (Unhappily I can´t write annymore. My

English is bad. I don´t have my best friend the dictionary now )

Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati > escreveu:

Dear All,

Today's verse is 106. Please share your thoughts.

The verse

Without energy are the Gods and others, without energy are the munis

as well. Because of a curse by the Guru, they may quickly become

exhausted. Of this there is not doubt.

Comments: The Guru is a desireless Being who has no Ego. The Guru has

attained Self-knowledge and has merged with the Supreme. We might say

that God is within us, but what does that mean? The Guru is the one

who teaches by example how to unite with that Supreme Energy, without

the Guru nothing is attainable.

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> Without energy are the Gods and others, without energy are the

munis as well. Because of a curse by the Guru, they may quickly

become exhausted. Of this there is not doubt.

>

 

Dear Kalia,

Thank you for posting the verse and your comments. I would like to

understand a little better why the Gods and munis dont have energy. I

invite comments from the group and have also forwarded the question

to Swamiji.

 

In the mean time, here is something I read in Swamiji's commentary on

Kasyapa Sutra #9 regarding Gods and the Guru. Hope this will be of

benefit to those that do not have the book "The Guru and the

Goddess".

 

============Begin excerpt

An asura and Indra both went to study in the home of Brihaspati, the

Guru of the Gods. They asked, "Guruji, what is the self ? "He

replied, "Go look at your reflection in the water. What you see in

the water, that is your Self"

 

They both went and looked in the waters of the lake and saw their own

reflection. The said , "Gee, Guruji mean that this body is the Self".

( Nanda says - didnt know they said "Gee" back then ). They

returned to their respective places. The asura went back to teach all

of the other asuras. "Asuras, this body is the Self. This body is

divine. Look for divinity by pleasing your body."

 

Indra was on his way back to heaven with the same teaching, when he

started to think, "Sometimes the body gets sick. Sometimes the body

is happy and sometimes the body is sad. Why is God sometimes happy

and sometimes sad ? God cant be the subject of all of the emotions of

the body. I better go back to the guru and ask him what he meant by

this"

 

Indra went back to Brihaspati. He said, "Guruji, please teach me more

about the Self." And Guruji said, "Do more meditation. Perform

tapasya, your spiritual discipline. Then go back to the waters and

see what you see." Indra performed his discipline, and then he went

to look in the water. He saw that the one who looks into the water is

the Self, not the reflections. And Indra went back to all the Gods in

heaven and said, "Gods of heaven, the reflection is not the Self,

because it is always changing. The Seer is the Self, because it is

always the same. The Self is the consciousness which perceives the

reflections."

 

So all through our lives we are required to resolve this conflict

between wisdom and ignorance. This is the only way we can be free

from confusion. The asuras will teach us selfishness, the Gods will

awaken consciousness. This conflict between selfishness and divinity

is the perpetual cause of confusion, until we become one with the

Light.

 

========End excerpt.

 

JAI SWAMIJI

Nanda

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gods and munis have no energy if we don't give them any. if we give

them energy, the guru can deplete that energy easily. this all happens

in cosmic mind. the entire universe is upheld by belief. we believe in

the guru so he can pull the rug out from under and even the gods come

falling down.

 

, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai>

wrote:

>

> > Without energy are the Gods and others, without energy are the

> munis as well. Because of a curse by the Guru, they may quickly

> become exhausted. Of this there is not doubt.

> >

>

> Dear Kalia,

> Thank you for posting the verse and your comments. I would like to

> understand a little better why the Gods and munis dont have energy.

I

> invite comments from the group and have also forwarded the question

> to Swamiji.

>

> In the mean time, here is something I read in Swamiji's commentary

on

> Kasyapa Sutra #9 regarding Gods and the Guru. Hope this will be of

> benefit to those that do not have the book "The Guru and the

> Goddess".

>

> ============Begin excerpt

> An asura and Indra both went to study in the home of Brihaspati,

the

> Guru of the Gods. They asked, "Guruji, what is the self ? "He

> replied, "Go look at your reflection in the water. What you see in

> the water, that is your Self"

>

> They both went and looked in the waters of the lake and saw their

own

> reflection. The said , "Gee, Guruji mean that this body is the

Self".

> ( Nanda says - didnt know they said "Gee" back then ). They

> returned to their respective places. The asura went back to teach

all

> of the other asuras. "Asuras, this body is the Self. This body is

> divine. Look for divinity by pleasing your body."

>

> Indra was on his way back to heaven with the same teaching, when he

> started to think, "Sometimes the body gets sick. Sometimes the body

> is happy and sometimes the body is sad. Why is God sometimes happy

> and sometimes sad ? God cant be the subject of all of the emotions

of

> the body. I better go back to the guru and ask him what he meant by

> this"

>

> Indra went back to Brihaspati. He said, "Guruji, please teach me

more

> about the Self." And Guruji said, "Do more meditation. Perform

> tapasya, your spiritual discipline. Then go back to the waters and

> see what you see." Indra performed his discipline, and then he went

> to look in the water. He saw that the one who looks into the water

is

> the Self, not the reflections. And Indra went back to all the Gods

in

> heaven and said, "Gods of heaven, the reflection is not the Self,

> because it is always changing. The Seer is the Self, because it is

> always the same. The Self is the consciousness which perceives the

> reflections."

>

> So all through our lives we are required to resolve this conflict

> between wisdom and ignorance. This is the only way we can be free

> from confusion. The asuras will teach us selfishness, the Gods will

> awaken consciousness. This conflict between selfishness and

divinity

> is the perpetual cause of confusion, until we become one with the

> Light.

>

> ========End excerpt.

>

> JAI SWAMIJI

> Nanda

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Dear friends,

 

here's my attempt at understanding this verse, but I may be way off:

if we consider the 'Gods and others, and munis as well' as aspects of

qualities of our own being, perhaps this verse points out that these

aspects or qualities (like intelligence, or kindness, or talents) do

not have their origin in us as persons, but are a gift from the Most

High. They are expressed through us. If you think that they are yours,

you quickly run out of steam (the branch that is not connected to the

tree withers). If you know that the energy is not your personal

possession and tap into the source, you will bear fruit.

 

with love,

Henny

 

In , "Nanda" <chandimaakijai> wrote:

>

> > Without energy are the Gods and others, without energy are the

> munis as well. Because of a curse by the Guru, they may quickly

> become exhausted. Of this there is not doubt.

> >

>

> Dear Kalia,

> Thank you for posting the verse and your comments. I would like to

> understand a little better why the Gods and munis dont have energy.

I

> invite comments from the group and have also forwarded the question

> to Swamiji.

>

> In the mean time, here is something I read in Swamiji's commentary

on

> Kasyapa Sutra #9 regarding Gods and the Guru. Hope this will be of

> benefit to those that do not have the book "The Guru and the

> Goddess".

>

> ============Begin excerpt

> An asura and Indra both went to study in the home of Brihaspati, the

> Guru of the Gods. They asked, "Guruji, what is the self ? "He

> replied, "Go look at your reflection in the water. What you see in

> the water, that is your Self"

>

> They both went and looked in the waters of the lake and saw their

own

> reflection. The said , "Gee, Guruji mean that this body is the

Self".

> ( Nanda says - didnt know they said "Gee" back then ). They

> returned to their respective places. The asura went back to teach

all

> of the other asuras. "Asuras, this body is the Self. This body is

> divine. Look for divinity by pleasing your body."

>

> Indra was on his way back to heaven with the same teaching, when he

> started to think, "Sometimes the body gets sick. Sometimes the body

> is happy and sometimes the body is sad. Why is God sometimes happy

> and sometimes sad ? God cant be the subject of all of the emotions

of

> the body. I better go back to the guru and ask him what he meant by

> this"

>

> Indra went back to Brihaspati. He said, "Guruji, please teach me

more

> about the Self." And Guruji said, "Do more meditation. Perform

> tapasya, your spiritual discipline. Then go back to the waters and

> see what you see." Indra performed his discipline, and then he went

> to look in the water. He saw that the one who looks into the water

is

> the Self, not the reflections. And Indra went back to all the Gods

in

> heaven and said, "Gods of heaven, the reflection is not the Self,

> because it is always changing. The Seer is the Self, because it is

> always the same. The Self is the consciousness which perceives the

> reflections."

>

> So all through our lives we are required to resolve this conflict

> between wisdom and ignorance. This is the only way we can be free

> from confusion. The asuras will teach us selfishness, the Gods will

> awaken consciousness. This conflict between selfishness and divinity

> is the perpetual cause of confusion, until we become one with the

> Light.

>

> ========End excerpt.

>

> JAI SWAMIJI

> Nanda

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Hi Nanda,

 

I think they don't have energy because the guru cursed them.

 

I think this verse is another that points out the preeminence of the

guru, and her ability to protect her disciples from any power in the

universe.

 

BTW - It's so hard to choose a favorite verse. They're all about the

guru, after all, whats not to like? Two of my favorites are 57 and

58. I like the imagery and their beautiful and practical nature.

 

Chris

 

 

 

, "Nanda" <chandimaakijai> wrote:

>

> > Without energy are the Gods and others, without energy are the

> munis as well. Because of a curse by the Guru, they may quickly

> become exhausted. Of this there is not doubt.

> >

>

> Dear Kalia,

> Thank you for posting the verse and your comments. I would like to

> understand a little better why the Gods and munis dont have energy. I

> invite comments from the group and have also forwarded the question

> to Swamiji.

>

> In the mean time, here is something I read in Swamiji's commentary on

> Kasyapa Sutra #9 regarding Gods and the Guru. Hope this will be of

> benefit to those that do not have the book "The Guru and the

> Goddess".

>

> ============Begin excerpt

> An asura and Indra both went to study in the home of Brihaspati, the

> Guru of the Gods. They asked, "Guruji, what is the self ? "He

> replied, "Go look at your reflection in the water. What you see in

> the water, that is your Self"

>

> They both went and looked in the waters of the lake and saw their own

> reflection. The said , "Gee, Guruji mean that this body is the Self".

> ( Nanda says - didnt know they said "Gee" back then ). They

> returned to their respective places. The asura went back to teach all

> of the other asuras. "Asuras, this body is the Self. This body is

> divine. Look for divinity by pleasing your body."

>

> Indra was on his way back to heaven with the same teaching, when he

> started to think, "Sometimes the body gets sick. Sometimes the body

> is happy and sometimes the body is sad. Why is God sometimes happy

> and sometimes sad ? God cant be the subject of all of the emotions of

> the body. I better go back to the guru and ask him what he meant by

> this"

>

> Indra went back to Brihaspati. He said, "Guruji, please teach me more

> about the Self." And Guruji said, "Do more meditation. Perform

> tapasya, your spiritual discipline. Then go back to the waters and

> see what you see." Indra performed his discipline, and then he went

> to look in the water. He saw that the one who looks into the water is

> the Self, not the reflections. And Indra went back to all the Gods in

> heaven and said, "Gods of heaven, the reflection is not the Self,

> because it is always changing. The Seer is the Self, because it is

> always the same. The Self is the consciousness which perceives the

> reflections."

>

> So all through our lives we are required to resolve this conflict

> between wisdom and ignorance. This is the only way we can be free

> from confusion. The asuras will teach us selfishness, the Gods will

> awaken consciousness. This conflict between selfishness and divinity

> is the perpetual cause of confusion, until we become one with the

> Light.

>

> ========End excerpt.

>

> JAI SWAMIJI

> Nanda

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Dear Henny and Nanda,

Your comments are very appropriate. The body is a vehicle which keeps

changing but the soul – the True Self - is unchanging. As the

physical body needs nourishment for growth and well being, so does

the soul. To be disconnected from the source of nourishment then the

growth of the soul is impeded.

Guru is the Divine Manifestation of the Supreme Divinity. The

Guru’s pure energy (the Source) pervades the entire universe

and to be disconnected to this energy, is to be truly cursed. This

is why Lord Shiva repeats the words, “There is nothing more

than the Guru”. The Guru is All-pervading.

Some self-realized beings at times do not like to share the knowledge

gained for varying reasons, this could be a possible cause for the

energy being withdrawn.

Love and thanks,Kaliahenny_v_i <HvI (AT) SoftHome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear friends,here's my attempt at understanding this verse, but I may

be way off: if we consider the 'Gods and others, and munis as well'

as aspects of qualities of our own being, perhaps this verse points

out that these aspects or qualities (like intelligence, or kindness,

or talents) do not have their origin in us as persons, but are a gift

from the Most High. They are expressed through us. If you think that

they are yours, you quickly run out of steam (the branch that is not

connected to the tree withers). If you know that the energy is not

your personal possession and tap into the source, you will bear

fruit.with love,HennyIn , "Nanda"

<chandimaakijai> wrote:> > > Without energy are the Gods and

others, without energy are the > munis as

well. Because of a curse by the Guru, they may quickly > become

exhausted. Of this there is not doubt.> > > > Dear Kalia,> Thank you

for posting the verse and your comments. I would like to > understand

a little better why the Gods and munis dont have energy. I > invite

comments from the group and have also forwarded the question > to

Swamiji.> > In the mean time, here is something I read in Swamiji's

commentary on > Kasyapa Sutra #9 regarding Gods and the Guru. Hope

this will be of > benefit to those that do not have the book "The

Guru and the > Goddess".> > ============Begin excerpt> An asura and

Indra both went to study in the home of Brihaspati, the > Guru of the

Gods. They asked, "Guruji, what is the self ? "He > replied, "Go look

at your reflection in the water. What you see in > the water, that is

your Self">

> They both went and looked in the waters of the lake and saw their

own > reflection. The said , "Gee, Guruji mean that this body is the

Self". > ( Nanda says - didnt know they said "Gee" back then ).

They > returned to their respective places. The asura went back to

teach all > of the other asuras. "Asuras, this body is the Self. This

body is > divine. Look for divinity by pleasing your body."> > Indra

was on his way back to heaven with the same teaching, when he >

started to think, "Sometimes the body gets sick. Sometimes the body >

is happy and sometimes the body is sad. Why is God sometimes happy >

and sometimes sad ? God cant be the subject of all of the emotions of

> the body. I better go back to the guru and ask him what he meant by

> this"> > Indra went back to Brihaspati. He said, "Guruji, please

teach me more > about the Self." And Guruji

said, "Do more meditation. Perform > tapasya, your spiritual

discipline. Then go back to the waters and > see what you see." Indra

performed his discipline, and then he went > to look in the water. He

saw that the one who looks into the water is > the Self, not the

reflections. And Indra went back to all the Gods in > heaven and

said, "Gods of heaven, the reflection is not the Self, > because it

is always changing. The Seer is the Self, because it is > always the

same. The Self is the consciousness which perceives the >

reflections."> > So all through our lives we are required to resolve

this conflict > between wisdom and ignorance. This is the only way we

can be free > from confusion. The asuras will teach us selfishness,

the Gods will > awaken consciousness. This conflict between

selfishness and divinity > is the perpetual cause of confusion, until

we become one with the

> Light.> > ========End excerpt.> > JAI SWAMIJI> Nanda

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Not sure what you mean by "gods and munis have no energy if we don't

give them any. if we give them energy".

"We" are both gods and munis and as far as I understand (subject to

correction) energy is not ours to give or take. Could you please

explain a bit on that sentence.

Thanks.

Kalia Steve Connor <sconnor (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

gods and munis have no energy if we don't give them any. if we

givethem energy, the guru can deplete that energy easily. this all

happensin cosmic mind. the entire universe is upheld by belief. we

believe inthe guru so he can pull the rug out from under and even the

gods comefalling down., "Nanda"

<chandimaakijai>wrote:> > > Without energy are the Gods and

others, without energy are the > munis as well. Because of a curse

by the Guru, they may quickly > become exhausted. Of this there is

not doubt.> > > > Dear Kalia,> Thank you for posting the verse and

your comments. I would like to > understand a little better why the

Gods and munis dont have energy.I > invite comments from the group

and have also

forwarded the question > to Swamiji.> > In the mean time, here is

something I read in Swamiji's commentaryon > Kasyapa Sutra #9

regarding Gods and the Guru. Hope this will be of > benefit to those

that do not have the book "The Guru and the > Goddess".> >

============Begin excerpt> An asura and Indra both went to study in

the home of Brihaspati,the > Guru of the Gods. They asked, "Guruji,

what is the self ? "He > replied, "Go look at your reflection in the

water. What you see in > the water, that is your Self"> > They both

went and looked in the waters of the lake and saw theirown >

reflection. The said , "Gee, Guruji mean that this body is theSelf".

> ( Nanda says - didnt know they said "Gee" back then ). They >

returned to their respective places. The asura went back to teachall

> of the other asuras. "Asuras, this body is the Self.

This body is > divine. Look for divinity by pleasing your body."> >

Indra was on his way back to heaven with the same teaching, when he >

started to think, "Sometimes the body gets sick. Sometimes the body >

is happy and sometimes the body is sad. Why is God sometimes happy >

and sometimes sad ? God cant be the subject of all of the emotionsof

> the body. I better go back to the guru and ask him what he meant by

> this"> > Indra went back to Brihaspati. He said, "Guruji, please

teach memore > about the Self." And Guruji said, "Do more meditation.

Perform > tapasya, your spiritual discipline. Then go back to the

waters and > see what you see." Indra performed his discipline, and

then he went > to look in the water. He saw that the one who looks

into the wateris > the Self, not the reflections. And Indra went back

to all the Godsin > heaven and said, "Gods of

heaven, the reflection is not the Self, > because it is always

changing. The Seer is the Self, because it is > always the same. The

Self is the consciousness which perceives the > reflections."> > So

all through our lives we are required to resolve this conflict >

between wisdom and ignorance. This is the only way we can be free >

from confusion. The asuras will teach us selfishness, the Gods will >

awaken consciousness. This conflict between selfishness anddivinity >

is the perpetual cause of confusion, until we become one with the >

Light.> > ========End excerpt.> > JAI SWAMIJI>

NandaDo You

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