Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Namaste Dear ones, Here's our verse today - " Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of two letters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as the actual Supreme amongst the highest." Comment: The word GuRu is hailed as the Highest of all mantras. The Supreme Mantra. In Kasyapa Sutra, Swami Satyananda Saraswati defines Guru this way : "Gu - means darkness. Ru means light. The Supreme Divinity which destroys ignorance is verily the Guru without a doubt. The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is our teacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is our inspiration." Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru in this way. Jai Gurujis. Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Kaliananda wrote : " Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of two letters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as the actual Supreme amongst the highest." The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is our teacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is our inspiration." Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru in this way. Dear Kalia, Thank you for posting that verse and the question. Your question brought to me my mind a song from the Devi Mandir songbook "Jaya Guru" In it , there is a verse that says Guruhi Shakti Guruhi Bhakti Guruhi Shanti Guruhi Mukti The Guru is the strength, The guru is the devotion, The guru is peace and the Guru is liberation. That is what I am reminded of .. (not strictly Guru Gita though :-) ) JAI GURU Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Kali, I'm sorry, I don't have any verses, but I would like to speak to this idea of the guru as the highest, of the guru as "...the cause of all causes..." Since the begining of this study of the Guru Gita, I have been trying to ferret out the meaning of this Guru, what It is, how it fits into all of This. Begining with an understanding of the guru as an individual, I am shown guru as supreme being. Now, I am seeing guru as universal principle. Swamiji has said that there is no difference between the guru tattwa and Shiva. The guru tattwa is, in its most basic nature, the bringing of light to the darkness, consciousness to ignorance. Swamiji says that all of us, all of life, really, is engaged in the struggle to achieve perfection - ultimately, divine perfection. This is, I believe, the activity of the guru tattwa. It is part and parcel, inseperable from the universe. As I see it, the guru principle (tattwa) is the complement to the darkening quality of maya. In the creation of the universe, first there was pure, undifferentiated consciousness. Without an impelling force, consciousness was inert, unable to act. With the division of Shiva and Shakti creation was born. The birth of Shiva and Shakti was the birth of "I" and "you". It is this quality of ego, ahamkara (the I maker), or separation, that characterizes the darkening power of maya. From pure consciousness to densest matter, the tendency of maya must be to darken. Without an opposing force, the universe would soon devolve into either pure chaos or total inertia. The guru tattwa is that opposing force. That guru tattwa is Shiva. Interestingly, though Shiva as pure consciousness is a natural opposite to the ignorance of maya, pure consciousness cannot work without the motivating energy of Shakti. So the guru tattwa, as a force in motion, as an energy empelling all of creation toward perfection, must also be a manifestation of Shakti, just as maya is. So, as it says in the Chandi, Divine Mother is both the cause of darkness and the means of removing it. That guru without four arms and three eyes is then a true servant of the Universe, expressing the most fundimental, the purest, the highest meaning of life, as she embodies the very qualities and intentions of Creation Itself. Jai Shiva! Jai Shakti! Jai Gurudeva! Chris , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > > Namaste Dear ones, > > > > Here's our verse today - > > > > " Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of two letters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as the actual Supreme amongst the highest." > > > > > > Comment: > > The word GuRu is hailed as the Highest of all mantras. The Supreme Mantra. > > > > In Kasyapa Sutra, Swami Satyananda Saraswati defines Guru this way : > > "Gu - means darkness. Ru means light. The Supreme Divinity which destroys ignorance is verily the Guru without a doubt. > > The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is our teacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is our inspiration." > > > > Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru in this way. > > > > > > Jai Gurujis. > > > > > > > > Mail Mobile > Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Dear Kalia, thank you for posting the verse and the comment. I have found that verse 69 helps me with verse 107: 'by the mere remembrance of him one's own wisdom rises in increase. He alone is the attainment of all. Therefore we bow down to the respected Guru' this verse indicates that if we just remember to turn our attention towards that source of light, the darkness of our own ignorance is lifted. And every time we become distracted and find ourselves in a dark place, we can turn our attention in the right direction again by saying or thinking 'Gu-ru'. with love, Henny , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati@y. ...> wrote: > > Namaste Dear ones, > > > > Here's our verse today - > > > > " Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of two letters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as the actual Supreme amongst the highest." > > > > > > Comment: > > The word GuRu is hailed as the Highest of all mantras. The Supreme Mantra. > > > > In Kasyapa Sutra, Swami Satyananda Saraswati defines Guru this way : > > "Gu - means darkness. Ru means light. The Supreme Divinity which destroys ignorance is verily the Guru without a doubt. > > The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is our teacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is our inspiration." > > > > Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru in this way. > > > > > > Jai Gurujis. > > > > > > > > Mail Mobile > Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Love Kaliahenny_v_i <HvI (AT) SoftHome (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Kalia,thank you for posting the verse and the comment. I have found that verse 69 helps me with verse 107:'by the mere remembrance of him one's own wisdom rises in increase. He alone is the attainment of all. Therefore we bow down to the respected Guru'this verse indicates that if we just remember to turn our attention towards that source of light, the darkness of our own ignorance is lifted. And every time we become distracted and find ourselves in a dark place, we can turn our attention in the right direction again by saying or thinking 'Gu-ru'. with love,Henny, Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:> > Namaste Dear ones,> > > > Here's our verse today -> > > > " Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of two letters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as the actual Supreme amongst the highest."> > > > > > Comment: > > The word GuRu is hailed as the Highest of all mantras. The Supreme Mantra.> > > > In Kasyapa Sutra, Swami Satyananda Saraswati defines Guru this way : > > "Gu - means darkness. Ru means light. The Supreme Divinity which destroys ignorance is verily the Guru without a doubt. > > The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is our teacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is our inspiration."> > > > Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru in this way.> > > > > > Jai Gurujis.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Mobile> Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news &; more. Check it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 No apology needed, I understand quite well and am grateful that you have taken the time to respond. I will ask Nanda Devi, if possible, to send your response to Swamiji for His input. Thanks dear one. Kalia Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote: Kali,I'm sorry, I don't have any verses, but I would like to speak to thisidea of the guru as the highest, of the guru as "...the cause of allcauses..."Since the begining of this study of the Guru Gita, I have been tryingto ferret out the meaning of this Guru, what It is, how it fits intoall of This. Begining with an understanding of the guru as anindividual, I am shown guru as supreme being. Now, I am seeing guru asuniversal principle.Swamiji has said that there is no difference between the guru tattwaand Shiva. The guru tattwa is, in its most basic nature, the bringingof light to the darkness, consciousness to ignorance.Swamiji says that all of us, all of life, really, is engaged in thestruggle to achieve perfection - ultimately, divine perfection. Thisis, I believe, the activity of the guru tattwa. It is part and parcel,inseperable from the universe.As I see it, the guru principle (tattwa) is the complement to thedarkening quality of maya. In the creation of the universe, firstthere was pure, undifferentiated consciousness. Without an impellingforce, consciousness was inert, unable to act. With the division ofShiva and Shakti creation was born. The birth of Shiva and Shakti was the birth of "I" and "you". It isthis quality of ego, ahamkara (the I maker), or separation, thatcharacterizes the darkening power of maya. From pure consciousness todensest matter, the tendency of maya must be to darken. Without anopposing force, the universe would soon devolve into either pure chaosor total inertia.The guru tattwa is that opposing force. That guru tattwa is Shiva.Interestingly, though Shiva as pure consciousness is a naturalopposite to the ignorance of maya, pure consciousness cannot workwithout the motivating energy of Shakti. So the guru tattwa, as aforce in motion, as an energy empelling all of creation towardperfection, must also be a manifestation of Shakti, just as maya is. So, as it says in the Chandi, Divine Mother is both the cause ofdarkness and the means of removing it. That guru without four arms and three eyes is then a true servant ofthe Universe, expressing the most fundimental, the purest, the highestmeaning of life, as she embodies the very qualities and intentions ofCreation Itself.Jai Shiva!Jai Shakti!Jai Gurudeva!Chris, Kali Kali<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:> > Namaste Dear ones,> > > > Here's our verse today -> > > > " Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of twoletters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as theactual Supreme amongst the highest."> > > > > > Comment: > > The word GuRu is hailed as the Highest of all mantras. The SupremeMantra.> > > > In Kasyapa Sutra, Swami Satyananda Saraswati defines Guru this way: > > "Gu - means darkness. Ru means light. The Supreme Divinity whichdestroys ignorance is verily the Guru without a doubt. > > The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is ourteacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is ourinspiration."> > > > Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru inthis way.> > > > > > Jai Gurujis.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Mobile> Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Kaliananda wrote :" Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of two letters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as the actual Supreme amongst the highest."The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is our teacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is our inspiration."Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru in this way.Dear Kalia,Thank you for posting that verse and the question. Your question brought to me my mind a song from the Devi Mandir songbook "Jaya Guru"In it , there is a verse that saysGuruhi ShaktiGuruhi BhaktiGuruhi Shanti Guruhi MuktiThe Guru is the strength, The guru is the devotion, The guru is peace and the Guru is liberation.That is what I am reminded of .. (not strictly Guru Gita though :-) )JAI GURUNanda Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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