Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Dear Chris & Kalia, I would be happy to send any question to Swamiji - can you please give the specific question. Thank you and Jai Maa Nanda , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > Dear Chris, > > No apology needed, I understand quite well and am grateful that you have taken the time to respond. I will ask Nanda Devi, if possible, to send your response to Swamiji for His input. > > Thanks dear one. > Kalia > > Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Kali, > > I'm sorry, I don't have any verses, but I would like to speak to this > idea of the guru as the highest, of the guru as "...the cause of all > causes..." > > Since the begining of this study of the Guru Gita, I have been trying > to ferret out the meaning of this Guru, what It is, how it fits into > all of This. Begining with an understanding of the guru as an > individual, I am shown guru as supreme being. Now, I am seeing guru as > universal principle. > > Swamiji has said that there is no difference between the guru tattwa > and Shiva. The guru tattwa is, in its most basic nature, the bringing > of light to the darkness, consciousness to ignorance. > > Swamiji says that all of us, all of life, really, is engaged in the > struggle to achieve perfection - ultimately, divine perfection. This > is, I believe, the activity of the guru tattwa. It is part and parcel, > inseperable from the universe. > > As I see it, the guru principle (tattwa) is the complement to the > darkening quality of maya. In the creation of the universe, first > there was pure, undifferentiated consciousness. Without an impelling > force, consciousness was inert, unable to act. With the division of > Shiva and Shakti creation was born. > > The birth of Shiva and Shakti was the birth of "I" and "you". It is > this quality of ego, ahamkara (the I maker), or separation, that > characterizes the darkening power of maya. From pure consciousness to > densest matter, the tendency of maya must be to darken. Without an > opposing force, the universe would soon devolve into either pure chaos > or total inertia. > > The guru tattwa is that opposing force. That guru tattwa is Shiva. > Interestingly, though Shiva as pure consciousness is a natural > opposite to the ignorance of maya, pure consciousness cannot work > without the motivating energy of Shakti. So the guru tattwa, as a > force in motion, as an energy empelling all of creation toward > perfection, must also be a manifestation of Shakti, just as maya is. > > So, as it says in the Chandi, Divine Mother is both the cause of > darkness and the means of removing it. > > That guru without four arms and three eyes is then a true servant of > the Universe, expressing the most fundimental, the purest, the highest > meaning of life, as she embodies the very qualities and intentions of > Creation Itself. > > Jai Shiva! > Jai Shakti! > Jai Gurudeva! > > Chris > > > , Kali Kali > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > > > > Namaste Dear ones, > > > > > > > > Here's our verse today - > > > > > > > > " Oh Goddess, this is the king of mantras, Guru comprised of two > letters. The Puranas and Vedas define the meaning of Guru as the > actual Supreme amongst the highest." > > > > > > > > > > > > Comment: > > > > The word GuRu is hailed as the Highest of all mantras. The Supreme > Mantra. > > > > > > > > In Kasyapa Sutra, Swami Satyananda Saraswati defines Guru this way > : > > > > "Gu - means darkness. Ru means light. The Supreme Divinity which > destroys ignorance is verily the Guru without a doubt. > > > > The respected Guru is the cause of all causes. The Guru is our > teacher. The Guru is our example. The Divine Guru is our > inspiration." > > > > > > > > Can anyone share a verse(s) which makes reference to the Guru in > this way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Gurujis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Mobile > > Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Not sure that there is a question as such. Just wanted to hear Swamiji views on the last of these two paragraphs. "Swamiji says that all of us, all of life, really, is engaged in thestruggle to achieve perfection - ultimately, divine perfection. Thisis, I believe, the activity of the guru tattwa. It is part and parcel, inseparable from the universe.As I see it, the guru principle (tattwa) is the complement to thedarkening quality of maya. In the creation of the universe, firstthere was pure, undifferentiated consciousness. Without an impelling force, consciousness was inert, unable to act. With the division of Shiva and Shakti creation was born. "I" and "you"." Thanks Devi. Kalia Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote: Dear Chris & Kalia,I would be happy to send any question to Swamiji - can you please give the specific question.Thank you and Jai MaaNanda Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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