Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Dear Freinds, Here's our verse for today: I worship true existence, consciousness and bliss beyond all distinctions, always as my guru. He is eternal, full, complete and perfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in harmony with his own soul. Comment: Guru is beyond form and gender, not male, not female. Our minds -attachment to the physical, cause us to see Guru in human form but the Guru sees only the soul. The True Guru is ever present within awaiting our awakening. Pure devotion in our Sadhana and selfless service to the Guru are ways in which the mind returns to the inherent divinity. What are your views dear friends? Kalia Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Dear Kalia, > Comment: Guru is beyond form and gender, not male, not female. Our minds -attachment to the physical, cause us to see Guru in human form but the Guru sees only the soul. The True Guru is ever present within awaiting our awakening. Pure devotion in our Sadhana and selfless service to the Guru are ways in which the mind returns to the inherent divinity. Beautiful! The only thing I can think of to add to this is that, being complete, the True Guru manifesting in physical form does not need anything from his/her disciples. He/She only pulls us to him/her to push us inwards (see your post quoting Ramana Maharshi). And, as Nanda said, when He/She asks for help, it is to help us. Should we encounter a so-called guru with a hole inside that needs to be filled with the admiration or money of devotees we'd better run a mile. JAI GURU JAI SHREE MAA JAI SWAMIJI!!! with love, Henny , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > Dear Freinds, > > Here's our verse for today: > > I worship true existence, consciousness and bliss beyond all distinctions, always as my guru. He is eternal, full, complete and perfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in harmony with his own soul. > > Comment: Guru is beyond form and gender, not male, not female. Our minds -attachment to the physical, cause us to see Guru in human form but the Guru sees only the soul. The True Guru is ever present within awaiting our awakening. Pure devotion in our Sadhana and selfless service to the Guru are ways in which the mind returns to the inherent divinity. > > What are your views dear friends? > Kalia > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Kalia, Your comments are very apt. As Ramana Maharishi said, there is no difference between God, guru, and self (atman). But I would like to point out something just because I have noticed it is a pattern repeated in the Guru Gita throughout, and that is the intentional mixing or blending of descriptions of guru as individual (human) and as undifferentiated consciousness (Brahman). This verse seems to me to be another of those. The intention seems to be to emphasize that there is no difference between the human guru and the divine guru. In this verse, the distinction between the divine guru and human guru is not obvious, and I may be wrong about this, but I think that though the first part of the verse obviously refers to the undifferentiated Brahman as guru, the final part, "He resides in harmony with his own soul [atman]," points to the human guru. As I said, I may be wrong, but I don't think atman, or individual soul is really to be applied to Brahman. So again, we have divine attributes and human attributes blended without qualification into a single description of the guru. Jai Maa! Chris , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > Dear Freinds, > > Here's our verse for today: > > I worship true existence, consciousness and bliss beyond all distinctions, always as my guru. He is eternal, full, complete and perfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in harmony with his own soul. > > Comment: Guru is beyond form and gender, not male, not female. Our minds -attachment to the physical, cause us to see Guru in human form but the Guru sees only the soul. The True Guru is ever present within awaiting our awakening. Pure devotion in our Sadhana and selfless service to the Guru are ways in which the mind returns to the inherent divinity. > > What are your views dear friends? > Kalia > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 OM NAMAH SIVAYA it seems that is as much about remembering and forgetting as it is learning and knowing. to me Verse 111 it basically says, that Guru/God is everything and also nothing. so all attributes are attributes of God. then we can't really learn or know what is God and what God isn't. maybe God is about learning what to forget and knowing what to remember. then Guru/God becomes not something to acquire or some far off goal but something we already have. may we all remember what to forget and not forget what to remember. JAI MA , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > Dear Freinds, > > Here's our verse for today: > > I worship true existence, consciousness and bliss beyond all distinctions, always as my guru. He is eternal, full, complete and perfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in harmony with his own soul. > > Comment: Guru is beyond form and gender, not male, not female. Our minds -attachment to the physical, cause us to see Guru in human form but the Guru sees only the soul. The True Guru is ever present within awaiting our awakening. Pure devotion in our Sadhana and selfless service to the Guru are ways in which the mind returns to the inherent divinity. > > What are your views dear friends? > Kalia > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2005 Report Share Posted May 14, 2005 Thanks for your response. I was thinking about a verse from Beloved Shree Maa which was shared recently on this forum. The verse that says "Human life is the greatest form of birth, Humanity is the illuminator of consciousness." The Guru though having a human form has gone beyond identification with the body in a state of blissful consciousness and does not identify with the body. In that sense to me the Human Guru and Divine Guru is the same. Kalia Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote: Kalia,Your comments are very apt. As Ramana Maharishi said, there is nodifference between God, guru, and self (atman). But I would like topoint out something just because I have noticed it is a patternrepeated in the Guru Gita throughout, and that is the intentionalmixing or blending of descriptions of guru as individual (human) andas undifferentiated consciousness (Brahman). This verse seems to me tobe another of those. The intention seems to be to emphasize that thereis no difference between the human guru and the divine guru.In this verse, the distinction between the divine guru and human guruis not obvious, and I may be wrong about this, but I think that thoughthe first part of the verse obviously refers to the undifferentiatedBrahman as guru, the final part, "He resides in harmony with his ownsoul [atman]," points to the human guru. As I said, I may be wrong,but I don't think atman, or individual soul is really to be applied toBrahman. So again, we have divine attributes and human attributesblended without qualification into a single description of the guru.Jai Maa!Chris--- In , Kali Kali<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:> Dear Freinds,> > Here's our verse for today:> > I worship true existence, consciousness and bliss beyond alldistinctions, always as my guru. He is eternal, full, complete andperfect, beyond attributes, without qualities. He resides in harmonywith his own soul.> > Comment: Guru is beyond form and gender, not male, not female. Ourminds -attachment to the physical, cause us to see Guru in human formbut the Guru sees only the soul. The True Guru is ever present withinawaiting our awakening. Pure devotion in our Sadhana and selflessservice to the Guru are ways in which the mind returns to the inherentdivinity.> > What are your views dear friends?> Kalia> > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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