Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Here's our verse for today - The Respected Parvati asked: " What is consecrated offering (pinda) oh Great Lord? And what are the syllables (pada) that rise in the heart? What is beyond form and what is form? Oh Sankara, Cause of Peace, please explain this to me." Kalia Do You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Dear Kalia, "Oh Sankara, Cause of Peace, please explain this to me". Yes, please! I am eagerly awaiting the next verse. with love, Henny , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati@y. ...> wrote: > > Here's our verse for today - > > > > The Respected Parvati asked: > > > > " What is consecrated offering (pinda) oh Great Lord? And what are the syllables (pada) that rise in the heart? What is beyond form and what is form? Oh Sankara, Cause of Peace, please explain this to me." > > > > > > Kalia > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Kalia wrote: What is beyond form and what is form? Dear Kalia, This line reminds me of a passage from "Ramakrishna-The Nectar of Eternal Bliss". On Page 73 Thakur says, and Swamiji translates "...The Ocean of Truth,Bliss and Consciousness is an ocean in which there are no waves or ripples. If you immerse yourself in devotion, the coldness of your devotion, as it were, solidifies the water in places. In this way, the water takes on a form. When devotees come near to God, the formless becomes relative. Occassionally She takes a personal form and remains embodied in that personal form. When the Sun of Wisdon rises, all the ice melts , and then you don't perceive God in a personal form at all. She melts back into the Ocean of Infinity. ..." And another passage from page 77 of the same book. Thakur says, "A poet said, "The formless is my Father. The one with form is my Mother." So whatever form the devotee desires, in that very form He will reveal Himself. He is the one who satisfies all devotees. In the Puranas it's written that Hanuman was such a strong devotee that for his benefit God assumed the form of Rama." JAI RAMAKRISHNA JAI GURU Nanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2005 Report Share Posted May 20, 2005 Kalia, I have to say, I don't feel as though I have a real sense of the meaning and movement of this bit yet. I think there is importance in the use of the terms pinda, pada, and rupa - maybe along the lines of what I posted earlier - but I'm still not sure. I think this verse is suggesting there is relative importance in the fact that the syllables rise in the heart, and in the concept of 'beyond form'. In the previous verse, pada (syllables) and rupa (form) were mentioned, but in this verse Parvati adds the bit about the heart and beyond form. Why? It must be either to emphasize a concept, or tie in with something before or after, or perhaps all the above. Four verses deal with this single topic of pinda, pada, and rupa.... OK, I've contemplated these verses for awhile, and here's what I think. Instead of ending the previous topic narrative at verse 119, I now think this same topic continues through this bit about pinda, pada, and rupa, and through the descriptions of the liberated devotee. You'll remember in the section I outlined from 109 - 119 there was a description of the practical experience of perceiving "one's own soul" as Purusha (universal soul [thanks to Swamiji]), through a heart meditation, or a perception within the heart. This was followed by descriptions of the enlightened state. Well, it seems to me that this section we are looking at now, follows a similar pattern. In fact, I'm thinking it is a kind of restatement, an amplification of the previous practical experience of perceiving the divine soul, followed by descriptions of liberated experience. Jai Maa! Chris , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > > Here's our verse for today - > > > > The Respected Parvati asked: > > > > " What is consecrated offering (pinda) oh Great Lord? And what are the syllables (pada) that rise in the heart? What is beyond form and what is form? Oh Sankara, Cause of Peace, please explain this to me." > > > > > > Kalia > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 I think this verse is suggesting there is relative importance in thefact that the syllables rise in the heart, and in the concept of'beyond form'. In the previous verse, pada (syllables) and rupa (form)were mentioned, but in this verse Parvati adds the bit about the heartand beyond form. Why? It must be either to emphasize a concept, or tiein with something before or after, or perhaps all the above. The heart is said to be in heaven and in earth on earth we think of the body, in heaven we think of the spirit so maybe Parvati is saying forget the body at this point and concentrate on the soul. The lotus has risen above the soil and is looking for the light.OK, I've contemplated these verses for awhile, and here's what Ithink. Instead of ending the previous topic narrative at verse 119, Inow think this same topic continues through this bit about pinda,pada, and rupa, and through the descriptions of the liberated devotee.You'll remember in the section I outlined from 109 - 119 there was adescription of the practical experience of perceiving "one's own soul"as Purusha (universal soul [thanks to Swamiji]), through a heartmeditation, or a perception within the heart. This was followed bydescriptions of the enlightened state.Well, it seems to me that this section we are looking at now, followsa similar pattern. In fact, I'm thinking it is a kind of restatement,an amplification of the previous practical experience of perceivingthe divine soul, followed by descriptions of liberated experience.I tend to agree with you. Like you said, there is an interconnectedness in the verses. It is like each step is a round in the ladder which we must climb. Can you seen any relations here to the Chandi?Jai Maa!ChrisThanks Chris. Kalia, Kali Kali<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:> > Here's our verse for today -> > > > The Respected Parvati asked:> > > > " What is consecrated offering (pinda) oh Great Lord? And what arethe syllables (pada) that rise in the heart? What is beyond form andwhat is form? Oh Sankara, Cause of Peace, please explain this to me."> > > > > > Kalia > > > > > Do You ?> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Jai Ramakrishna ki jai!Nanda <chandimaakijai > wrote: Kalia wrote:What is beyond form and what is form? Dear Kalia,This line reminds me of a passage from "Ramakrishna-The Nectar of Eternal Bliss".On Page 73 Thakur says, and Swamiji translates"...The Ocean of Truth,Bliss and Consciousness is an ocean in which there are no waves or ripples. If you immerse yourself in devotion, the coldness of your devotion, as it were, solidifies the water in places. In this way, the water takes on a form. When devotees come near to God, the formless becomes relative. Occassionally She takes a personal form and remains embodied in that personal form.When the Sun of Wisdon rises, all the ice melts , and then you don't perceive God in a personal form at all. She melts back into the Ocean of Infinity. ..."And another passage from page 77 of the same book. Thakur says,"A poet said, "The formless is my Father. The one with form is my Mother." So whatever form the devotee desires, in that very form He will reveal Himself. He is the one who satisfies all devotees. In the Puranas it's written that Hanuman was such a strong devotee that for his benefit God assumed the form of Rama."JAI RAMAKRISHNAJAI GURUNanda Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2005 Report Share Posted May 21, 2005 Kalia, I've not worked with the Chandi long enough yet to really grasp it. It's all the same experience, and of course there are ideas I have about various parts of it, but where the Chandi is concerned, I'm still wandering in the woods. Jai Maa! Chris , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote: > > > Can you seen any relations here to the Chandi? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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