Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Dear all, in recent posts concerning sadhana and also in relation to the Guru Gita the importance of a strong relationship with the guru was mentioned, and also that there is a difference between a devotee and a disciple. The difference is not really clear to me. Is the difference a matter of commitment? Of intent? Or of formal initiation? Are not all disciples devotees? with love, Henny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 OM NAMAH SIVAYA in my not so expert opinion i seem to recall the difference between the disciple and the devotee as being something like; a devotee recognizes the Guru's Divinity or greatness but does little to instigate personal change and a disciple makes a concerted effort to follow the example of the Guru. personally i don't feel confident making that judgement for myself let alone for someone else. and does it really matter? it's just categorizing. the Guru can make that call. the question reminds me of a quote i recently read from Anandamayi Ma; "Whatever may be your shortcomings, don't be depressed. Don't lose hope. Try to improve yourself. God loves you more than you could ever imagine." JAI MA , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote: > Dear all, > > in recent posts concerning sadhana and also in relation to the Guru > Gita the importance of a strong relationship with the guru was > mentioned, and also that there is a difference between a devotee and a > disciple. The difference is not really clear to me. Is the difference > a matter of commitment? Of intent? Or of formal initiation? Are not > all disciples devotees? > > with love, > Henny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Hi Eric, I believe you got it right. All disciples are devotees, but not vice versa. The distinction is the formal commitment/initiation between the Guru and the student. Jai Maa Nanda , "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us> wrote: > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > in my not so expert opinion i seem to recall the difference between > the disciple and the devotee as being something like; a devotee > recognizes the Guru's Divinity or greatness but does little to > instigate personal change and a disciple makes a concerted effort to > follow the example of the Guru. personally i don't feel confident > making that judgement for myself let alone for someone else. and does > it really matter? it's just categorizing. the Guru can make that call. > > the question reminds me of a quote i recently read from Anandamayi Ma; > > "Whatever may be your shortcomings, don't be depressed. Don't lose > hope. Try to improve yourself. God loves you more than you could > ever imagine." > > JAI MA > > > , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > in recent posts concerning sadhana and also in relation to the Guru > > Gita the importance of a strong relationship with the guru was > > mentioned, and also that there is a difference between a devotee and > a > > disciple. The difference is not really clear to me. Is the > difference > > a matter of commitment? Of intent? Or of formal initiation? Are not > > all disciples devotees? > > > > with love, > > Henny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 > i would think all disciples are also > devotees. a disciple mirrors the guru we are all devotees, or seekers .... of something I haven't met a disciple yet really what goals do you all have? what is your Lakshya? what is your wealth? what are you doing to manifest it? come on now , I shared some of mine ... let's hear from some others of you all here ... it's inspiring and helps develop sankalpa ... what you put your attention on will grow COME ON MAA!!!, Give us Pure Devotion!!! Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 here we go devnath saraswati!!! my goal is to get clear, to see thru the clouds and see GOD. to reflect that as PURE unattached LOVE. jai maa that is my goal. steve raj talwar , "Devanath Saraswati" <devnath9> wrote: > > i would think all disciples are also > > devotees. > > a disciple mirrors the guru > > we are all devotees, or seekers > > ... of something > > I haven't met a disciple yet really > > what goals do you all have? > > what is your Lakshya? what is your wealth? > > what are you doing to manifest it? > > come on now , I shared some of mine ... let's hear from some others > of you all here ... it's inspiring and helps develop sankalpa ... what > you put your attention on will grow > > COME ON MAA!!!, Give us Pure Devotion!!! > > Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Dear devotees, > come on now , I shared some of mine ... let's hear from some others > of you all here ... > what goals do you all have? who can resist;)? Ok, I'll share some: years ago, I was told to decide what my goal was, write it on a paper, memorize it and burn the paper. After a lot of thinking, I wrote: 'I will apply all my powers to achieve the following aim: to become a true disciple, worthy of the name'. At the time I honestly thought this would be only the beginning, a first stepping stone to greater things and I felt quite good about myself for chosing such a 'workable' goal. I am still working at it.... with love, Henny , "Devanath Saraswati" <devnath9@y.. ..> wrote: > > i would think all disciples are also > > devotees. > > a disciple mirrors the guru > > we are all devotees, or seekers > > ... of something > > I haven't met a disciple yet really > > what goals do you all have? > > what is your Lakshya? what is your wealth? > > what are you doing to manifest it? > > come on now , I shared some of mine ... let's hear from some others > of you all here ... it's inspiring and helps develop sankalpa ... what > you put your attention on will grow > > COME ON MAA!!!, Give us Pure Devotion!!! > > Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Jai Guru Maa!Devanath Saraswati <devnath9 > wrote: > i would think all disciples are also> devotees.a disciple mirrors the guruwe are all devotees, or seekers... of somethingI haven't met a disciple yet reallywhat goals do you all have?what is your Lakshya? what is your wealth?what are you doing to manifest it?come on now , I shared some of mine ... let's hear from some othersof you all here .... it's inspiring and helps develop sankalpa ... whatyou put your attention on will growCOME ON MAA!!!, Give us Pure Devotion!!!Jai Maa!!! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 That is a nice goal, Henny. Jai Maa! Chris , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote: > Dear devotees, > > > come on now , I shared some of mine ... let's hear from some > others > > of you all here ... > > what goals do you all have? > > who can resist;)? Ok, I'll share some: years ago, I was told to decide > what my goal was, write it on a paper, memorize it and burn the paper. > After a lot of thinking, I wrote: 'I will apply all my powers to > achieve the following aim: to become a true disciple, worthy of the > name'. At the time I honestly thought this would be only the > beginning, a first stepping stone to greater things and I felt quite > good about myself for chosing such a 'workable' goal. I am still > working at it.... > > with love, > Henny > > > > > > , "Devanath Saraswati" <devnath9@y.. > .> wrote: > > > i would think all disciples are also > > > devotees. > > > > a disciple mirrors the guru > > > > we are all devotees, or seekers > > > > ... of something > > > > I haven't met a disciple yet really > > > > what goals do you all have? > > > > what is your Lakshya? what is your wealth? > > > > what are you doing to manifest it? > > > > come on now , I shared some of mine ... let's hear from some > others > > of you all here ... it's inspiring and helps develop sankalpa ... > what > > you put your attention on will grow > > > > COME ON MAA!!!, Give us Pure Devotion!!! > > > > Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Devnath, Like everyone, I want to be happy. Like everyone here, I have realized I can only achieve happiness in God. So, I practice, and try to do the best I believe I can with what I have at the moment. I rely on the compassionate grace of God and Guru. Ultimately I would like to express the Divine Will in my every act, but this is so far above me...I want to leave this world better than I found it, but time is so fleeting... My goal in the short-term is the same as it has always been, to get samadhi. What comes after, I will leave to after. That is my Great Desire, to practice samadhi. Jai Maa! Chris , "Devanath Saraswati" <devnath9> wrote: > > > what goals do you all have? > > what is your Lakshya? what is your wealth? > > what are you doing to manifest it? > COME ON MAA!!!, Give us Pure Devotion!!! > > Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 what is shree maa radio? and where do i find it? Be Love, Berijoy http://www.egyirba.net `/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/`/ -=-=- .... If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste of adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome. --Anne Bradstreet -=-=- .... If you desire the world, You may try to renounce it In order to escape sorrow. Instead, renounce desire! Then you will be free of sorrow, And the world will not trouble you. -Ashtavakra Gita 16:9 From The Heart of Awareness: A Translation of the Ashtavakra Gita, by Thomas Byrom, 1990. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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