Guru Gita verse 132 - tiny question for Nanda/Chris/Kalia

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Dear friends,

 

The penny has finally dropped: I understand my question stemmed from a

confusion of terms (shudda vidya being one of the tattva's, right?). I

believe I forgot to thank you, Chrisji, for pointing that out, so:

thank you. But I still don't fully understand the meaning of 'tattva';

it is translated as 'principle', but what does that mean? A mold or

pattern? A state of consciousness? A frequency of vibration? Could any

of you please direct me to where this is explained further?

 

with love,

Henny

 

-- In , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati@y..

..> wrote:

> Dear Nanda,

>

> Thanks, there is no question.

> Kalia

>

> Nanda <chandimaakijai> wrote:

> Dear H/C/K,

>

> Does Henny's question to Swamiji still hold, Kalia ? As Chris

> pointed out it is Shuddhavidya and not shuddhatattva.

>

> Please let me know if there is a question and I will be happy to

> forward it to Swamiji.

>

> Jai Guru

> Nanda

>

>

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > Henny,

> >

> > I think you're thinking of shuddhavidya, which means pure

> knowledge.

> > Perhaps shuddhatattwa means `the highest meaning' or `the essence

> of'

> > the tattwas.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> > > Dear Kalia,

> > >

> > > you wrote:

> > > >In order to destroy that great destructive force of worldliness

> > > >(ignorance) we should recite the Guru Gita with the knowledge

> that

> > > >this is our Inner self, the True self, the Guru, the Divine.

> > >

> > > This is beautiful. The thought that came to mind: reciting the

> Guru

> > > Gita is listening to our Self singing.

> > > I noticed the word used in the text is 'suddhatattvam'; is this

> the

> > > word translated as 'pure principles'? I understand that this

> tattva

> > > comes between Ishvara (principle of union of Shiva-Shakti) and

> Maya.

> > > Could this mean that as we 'look into the mirror' of the Guru

> Gita

> > > with devotion (by means of recitation, listening or writing), we

> > > become aware of our Self? Or is the word just used in general in

> this

> > > verse (the tattvas are still a mystery to me, so I am just

> groping in

> > > the dark here)?

> > >

> > > with love,

> > > Henny

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Kali Kali

> <kaliananda_saraswati@y.

> > > ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Here is today's verse -

> > > >

> > > > 132. Oh Goddess, I have shared the pure principles of the soul

> of

> > > the Guru Gita. For the purpose of destroying the diseases of

> worldly

> > > existence, everyone should always recite as his own.

> > > >

> > > > Comment: The attainment of self knowledge or wisdom grants

> the

> > > fruit of Truth, Bliss and Consciousness. In order to destroy

> that

> > > great destructive force of worldliness (ignorance) we should

> recite

> > > the Guru Gita with the knowledge that this is our Inner self,

> the True

> > > self, the Guru, the Divine.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Henny,

 

Om Namah Shivayah!

 

In "Tattwa Jnana", Beloved Swamiji explains "Tattwa"

Tat = That

Twam = you

 

"Tattwas are the principles that are you. These principles are the

road maps to the understanding of who we are".

 

Jai Maa! Jai Swamiji!

 

with love and prayers

srini

 

 

, "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> Dear friends,

>

> The penny has finally dropped: I understand my question stemmed

from a

> confusion of terms (shudda vidya being one of the tattva's,

right?). I

> believe I forgot to thank you, Chrisji, for pointing that out, so:

> thank you. But I still don't fully understand the meaning

of 'tattva';

> it is translated as 'principle', but what does that mean? A mold

or

> pattern? A state of consciousness? A frequency of vibration? Could

any

> of you please direct me to where this is explained further?

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

> -- In , Kali Kali

<kaliananda_saraswati@y..

> .> wrote:

> > Dear Nanda,

> >

> > Thanks, there is no question.

> > Kalia

> >

> > Nanda <chandimaakijai> wrote:

> > Dear H/C/K,

> >

> > Does Henny's question to Swamiji still hold, Kalia ? As Chris

> > pointed out it is Shuddhavidya and not shuddhatattva.

> >

> > Please let me know if there is a question and I will be happy to

> > forward it to Swamiji.

> >

> > Jai Guru

> > Nanda

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > Henny,

> > >

> > > I think you're thinking of shuddhavidya, which means pure

> > knowledge.

> > > Perhaps shuddhatattwa means `the highest meaning' or `the

essence

> > of'

> > > the tattwas.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...>

wrote:

> > > > Dear Kalia,

> > > >

> > > > you wrote:

> > > > >In order to destroy that great destructive force of

worldliness

> > > > >(ignorance) we should recite the Guru Gita with the

knowledge

> > that

> > > > >this is our Inner self, the True self, the Guru, the

Divine.

> > > >

> > > > This is beautiful. The thought that came to mind: reciting

the

> > Guru

> > > > Gita is listening to our Self singing.

> > > > I noticed the word used in the text is 'suddhatattvam'; is

this

> > the

> > > > word translated as 'pure principles'? I understand that this

> > tattva

> > > > comes between Ishvara (principle of union of Shiva-Shakti)

and

> > Maya.

> > > > Could this mean that as we 'look into the mirror' of the

Guru

> > Gita

> > > > with devotion (by means of recitation, listening or

writing), we

> > > > become aware of our Self? Or is the word just used in

general in

> > this

> > > > verse (the tattvas are still a mystery to me, so I am just

> > groping in

> > > > the dark here)?

> > > >

> > > > with love,

> > > > Henny

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Kali Kali

> > <kaliananda_saraswati@y.

> > > > ..> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is today's verse -

> > > > >

> > > > > 132. Oh Goddess, I have shared the pure principles of the

soul

> > of

> > > > the Guru Gita. For the purpose of destroying the diseases of

> > worldly

> > > > existence, everyone should always recite as his own.

> > > > >

> > > > > Comment: The attainment of self knowledge or wisdom

grants

> > the

> > > > fruit of Truth, Bliss and Consciousness. In order to

destroy

> > that

> > > > great destructive force of worldliness (ignorance) we should

> > recite

> > > > the Guru Gita with the knowledge that this is our Inner

self,

> > the True

> > > > self, the Guru, the Divine.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> > /

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail Mobile

> > Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

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Henny,

 

I don't really understand the tattwas myself, but as I understand, all

of those you mention are true. The tattwas represent the descent of

consciousness from the subtle to the gross, produced through the

interactions of the gunas. They are milestones on the ascent to pure

consciousness, representing distinct states of awareness and ability.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

, "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

But I still don't fully understand the meaning of 'tattva';

> it is translated as 'principle', but what does that mean? A mold or

> pattern? A state of consciousness? A frequency of vibration? Could any

> of you please direct me to where this is explained further?

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

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Dear Srini,

 

thank you very much for your response. It is very helpful, because it

makes me realize the tattvas are not something 'out there' and

abstract, but aspects of my true being, both actual and potential.

Tat tvam asi. The way Swamiji explains these things is wonderful,

because once you've heard it, you don't forget and you discover

deeper meanings as you come to understand more.

 

with love,

Henny

 

 

 

 

, "ammasmkd" <r_srinivasan@e...>

wrote:

> Dear Henny,

>

> Om Namah Shivayah!

>

> In "Tattwa Jnana", Beloved Swamiji explains "Tattwa"

> Tat = That

> Twam = you

>

> "Tattwas are the principles that are you. These principles are the

> road maps to the understanding of who we are".

>

> Jai Maa! Jai Swamiji!

>

> with love and prayers

> srini

>

>

> , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > The penny has finally dropped: I understand my question stemmed

> from a

> > confusion of terms (shudda vidya being one of the tattva's,

> right?). I

> > believe I forgot to thank you, Chrisji, for pointing that out,

so:

> > thank you. But I still don't fully understand the meaning

> of 'tattva';

> > it is translated as 'principle', but what does that mean? A mold

> or

> > pattern? A state of consciousness? A frequency of vibration?

Could

> any

> > of you please direct me to where this is explained further?

> >

> > with love,

> > Henny

> >

> > -- In , Kali Kali

> <kaliananda_saraswati@y..

> > .> wrote:

> > > Dear Nanda,

> > >

> > > Thanks, there is no question.

> > > Kalia

> > >

> > > Nanda <chandimaakijai> wrote:

> > > Dear H/C/K,

> > >

> > > Does Henny's question to Swamiji still hold, Kalia ? As Chris

> > > pointed out it is Shuddhavidya and not shuddhatattva.

> > >

> > > Please let me know if there is a question and I will be happy

to

> > > forward it to Swamiji.

> > >

> > > Jai Guru

> > > Nanda

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Chris Kirner"

> > > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > > Henny,

> > > >

> > > > I think you're thinking of shuddhavidya, which means pure

> > > knowledge.

> > > > Perhaps shuddhatattwa means `the highest meaning' or `the

> essence

> > > of'

> > > > the tattwas.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...>

> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Kalia,

> > > > >

> > > > > you wrote:

> > > > > >In order to destroy that great destructive force of

> worldliness

> > > > > >(ignorance) we should recite the Guru Gita with the

> knowledge

> > > that

> > > > > >this is our Inner self, the True self, the Guru, the

> Divine.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is beautiful. The thought that came to mind: reciting

> the

> > > Guru

> > > > > Gita is listening to our Self singing.

> > > > > I noticed the word used in the text is 'suddhatattvam'; is

> this

> > > the

> > > > > word translated as 'pure principles'? I understand that

this

> > > tattva

> > > > > comes between Ishvara (principle of union of Shiva-Shakti)

> and

> > > Maya.

> > > > > Could this mean that as we 'look into the mirror' of the

> Guru

> > > Gita

> > > > > with devotion (by means of recitation, listening or

> writing), we

> > > > > become aware of our Self? Or is the word just used in

> general in

> > > this

> > > > > verse (the tattvas are still a mystery to me, so I am just

> > > groping in

> > > > > the dark here)?

> > > > >

> > > > > with love,

> > > > > Henny

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Kali Kali

> > > <kaliananda_saraswati@y.

> > > > > ..> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is today's verse -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 132. Oh Goddess, I have shared the pure principles of the

> soul

> > > of

> > > > > the Guru Gita. For the purpose of destroying the diseases

of

> > > worldly

> > > > > existence, everyone should always recite as his own.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Comment: The attainment of self knowledge or wisdom

> grants

> > > the

> > > > > fruit of Truth, Bliss and Consciousness. In order to

> destroy

> > > that

> > > > > great destructive force of worldliness (ignorance) we

should

> > > recite

> > > > > the Guru Gita with the knowledge that this is our Inner

> self,

> > > the True

> > > > > self, the Guru, the Divine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Links

> > >

> > >

> > > /

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mail Mobile

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Chrisji,

 

thanks for your input. With your and Srini's help, I've come closer

to an understanding that the tattwas are not something we can fully

understand 'objectively'. They are to be realized through experience.

 

with love,

Henny

 

 

 

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956> wrote:

> Henny,

>

> I don't really understand the tattwas myself, but as I understand,

all

> of those you mention are true. The tattwas represent the descent of

> consciousness from the subtle to the gross, produced through the

> interactions of the gunas. They are milestones on the ascent to pure

> consciousness, representing distinct states of awareness and

ability.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> But I still don't fully understand the meaning of 'tattva';

> > it is translated as 'principle', but what does that mean? A mold

or

> > pattern? A state of consciousness? A frequency of vibration?

Could any

> > of you please direct me to where this is explained further?

> >

> > with love,

> > Henny

> >