Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 OM NAMAH SIVAYA point well taken Chris. but the thing that seems to make it easier is the last two sentences of this article; "Desire for God sublimates all other mortal desires. The higher absorbs the lower; the lower should be transmuted to the higher by meditation." we worship to become until we become what we worship. thank God. JAI MA , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Eric, > > Becoming pure is not so easy, is it? > > Jai Maa! > Chris > > > , "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us> > wrote: > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > > > this quote from Sri Ramakrishna and the quote from Swamiji in > > response to our goals got me thinking about what is meant by purity? > > i found this article from Swami Krishnananda from the Divine Life > > Society and have posted below: > > > > Purity is achieved by freedom from desire, and desire should be > > distinguished from necessity. Eating when one is hungry, drinking > > when one is thirsty, and sleeping when one is fatigued are > > necessities. These absolute necessities cannot be call desires > > because without these necessities one cannot even survive. > > > > Desire is a destructive form of longing which innervates the whole > > system, longing for things which are not necessary for the > > maintenance of the body. Every kind of luxury should be considered > > as desire. One has to judge for oneself whether this particular > > thing is absolutely necessary, or one can be comfortable even > > without that. Each one is one's own judge. If one can comfortably > > live happily without certain things, asking for those things once > > again is called desire. It will disturb the mind. > > > > Any object that brings about tumult in the emotion, that is an > > object of desire by which you either want it intensely or hate it > > intensely. Intense wanting and intense hating will affect the > > emotions. The test of good health is freedom from emotion, correct > > understanding without any kind of ebullition, burning desire of any > > kind. This is briefly the definition of desire. > > > > There are two kinds of desires, anabolic and catabolic. Anabolic > > desires are constructive, helpful and necessary for maintaining > > health and peace of mind. Catabolic desires are destructive in their > > nature. They throw the energy out. Any procedure by which we can > > conserve our energy is anabolic. Any process by which we deplete our > > energy and then become weak, that is catabolic. One must be able to > > very carefully distinguish between one and the other. Understanding > > is the judge; it is called Viveka-Shakti, capacity to distinguish > > between what is absolutely essential for living a normal life and > > what is irrelevant. This is a preliminary definition to the > > question "What is purity?" > > > > So purity is not like an apple that falls from a tree, it has shades > > of definition. You will not find any such clear description of this > > subject in any book; each one has to use one's common sense. > > > > There are desires of a different type, like sexual desire. It is > > neither good nor bad, like fire. Do you consider fire as a good > > thing or a bad thing? You cannot say anything about it. It can > > destroy or it can cook your food. So, likewise, sexual desire is a > > conservative process of maintaining a balance in the system, it is > > not capable of definition in a cut-and-dried manner. It is, as any > > desire is, relative to circumstance. But if it is a passion, you may > > distinguish between desire and passion. Passion is voluptuous, > > tumult-like, and makes one sick afterwards. Great discrimination has > > to be exercised here. > > > > There is a famous passage called Kama Gita in the Mahabharata. The > > desire says, "People try to conquer me, but they do not know that > > even the desire to conquer me is a desire, they don't understand > > that, so I am behind all their attempts." > > > > Desire for God sublimates all other mortal desires. The higher > > absorbs the lower; the lower should be transmuted to the higher by > > meditation. > > > > JAI MA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , devotee <shree_maa_devotee> > > wrote: > > > Daily Reflection: > > > June 8 - Purity > > > > > > Ramakrishna: You may discriminate a thousand times, yet the "I" > > who is the thinker does not leave. For devotees to regard me with > > devotion is a very good thing. To the devotees I am the Supreme > > Divinity embodied in a human form, meaning that the Supreme Divinity > > Beyond Form has taken on qualities. When individuals take a form, > > they express through that form, and God listens to the prayers of a > > pure individual. > > > > > > from Ramakrishna The Nectar of Eternal Bliss > > > Copyright 2005 Devi Mandir Publications > > > First Edition > > > www.shreemaa.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ ---- > > ------------- > > > Love and trust in God. Do not ask for anything else. --Shree Maa > > > ------------------------------ ---- > > ------------- > > > --devotee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Mobile > > > Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 Yes, thank God! Jai Maa! Chris , "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us> wrote: > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > point well taken Chris. but the thing that seems to make it easier > is the last two sentences of this article; > > "Desire for God sublimates all other mortal desires. The higher > absorbs the lower; the lower should be transmuted to the higher by > meditation." > > we worship to become until we become what we worship. thank God. > > JAI MA > > > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956> wrote: > > Eric, > > > > Becoming pure is not so easy, is it? > > > > Jai Maa! > > Chris > > > > > > , "ecjensen_us" > <ecjensen_us> > > wrote: > > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA > > > > > > this quote from Sri Ramakrishna and the quote from Swamiji in > > > response to our goals got me thinking about what is meant by > purity? > > > i found this article from Swami Krishnananda from the Divine > Life > > > Society and have posted below: > > > > > > Purity is achieved by freedom from desire, and desire should be > > > distinguished from necessity. Eating when one is hungry, > drinking > > > when one is thirsty, and sleeping when one is fatigued are > > > necessities. These absolute necessities cannot be call desires > > > because without these necessities one cannot even survive. > > > > > > Desire is a destructive form of longing which innervates the > whole > > > system, longing for things which are not necessary for the > > > maintenance of the body. Every kind of luxury should be > considered > > > as desire. One has to judge for oneself whether this particular > > > thing is absolutely necessary, or one can be comfortable even > > > without that. Each one is one's own judge. If one can > comfortably > > > live happily without certain things, asking for those things > once > > > again is called desire. It will disturb the mind. > > > > > > Any object that brings about tumult in the emotion, that is an > > > object of desire by which you either want it intensely or hate > it > > > intensely. Intense wanting and intense hating will affect the > > > emotions. The test of good health is freedom from emotion, > correct > > > understanding without any kind of ebullition, burning desire of > any > > > kind. This is briefly the definition of desire. > > > > > > There are two kinds of desires, anabolic and catabolic. Anabolic > > > desires are constructive, helpful and necessary for maintaining > > > health and peace of mind. Catabolic desires are destructive in > their > > > nature. They throw the energy out. Any procedure by which we can > > > conserve our energy is anabolic. Any process by which we deplete > our > > > energy and then become weak, that is catabolic. One must be able > to > > > very carefully distinguish between one and the other. > Understanding > > > is the judge; it is called Viveka-Shakti, capacity to > distinguish > > > between what is absolutely essential for living a normal life > and > > > what is irrelevant. This is a preliminary definition to the > > > question "What is purity?" > > > > > > So purity is not like an apple that falls from a tree, it has > shades > > > of definition. You will not find any such clear description of > this > > > subject in any book; each one has to use one's common sense. > > > > > > There are desires of a different type, like sexual desire. It is > > > neither good nor bad, like fire. Do you consider fire as a good > > > thing or a bad thing? You cannot say anything about it. It can > > > destroy or it can cook your food. So, likewise, sexual desire is > a > > > conservative process of maintaining a balance in the system, it > is > > > not capable of definition in a cut-and-dried manner. It is, as > any > > > desire is, relative to circumstance. But if it is a passion, you > may > > > distinguish between desire and passion. Passion is voluptuous, > > > tumult-like, and makes one sick afterwards. Great discrimination > has > > > to be exercised here. > > > > > > There is a famous passage called Kama Gita in the Mahabharata. > The > > > desire says, "People try to conquer me, but they do not know > that > > > even the desire to conquer me is a desire, they don't understand > > > that, so I am behind all their attempts." > > > > > > Desire for God sublimates all other mortal desires. The higher > > > absorbs the lower; the lower should be transmuted to the higher > by > > > meditation. > > > > > > JAI MA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , devotee > <shree_maa_devotee> > > > wrote: > > > > Daily Reflection: > > > > June 8 - Purity > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna: You may discriminate a thousand times, yet > the "I" > > > who is the thinker does not leave. For devotees to regard me > with > > > devotion is a very good thing. To the devotees I am the Supreme > > > Divinity embodied in a human form, meaning that the Supreme > Divinity > > > Beyond Form has taken on qualities. When individuals take a > form, > > > they express through that form, and God listens to the prayers > of a > > > pure individual. > > > > > > > > from Ramakrishna The Nectar of Eternal Bliss > > > > Copyright 2005 Devi Mandir Publications > > > > First Edition > > > > www.shreemaa.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > ---- > > > ------------- > > > > Love and trust in God. Do not ask for anything else. --Shree > Maa > > > > ------------------------------ > ---- > > > ------------- > > > > --devotee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail Mobile > > > > Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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