to Chris GG Verse 144 - Recite the Guru Gita to destroy bad dreams

[Guest guest]

Chrisji,

> Perhaps too, bad dreams may on

> occasion signal the onset of a new, and oppressive karmic influence

> (ever had that experience?).

 

No, can't say that I have

>(yes, the guru

> does alter the influence of the planets as they express our karmas).

 

how do the planets express our karmas?

 

with love,

Henny

 

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> > Dear Kalia,

> >

> > I don't understand 'the process of accomplishing imperfect

effects'.

> > What does that mean? Are effects by definition imperfect because

they

> > are partial manifestations of the source but not the source

Itself?

> > Does it mean that, as we go through life, we are in the process of

> > transformation and on the path to perfection, and progress

> > by 'accomplishing imperfect effects' (which progress is the Guru's

> > grace)?

> > The bad dreams/good dreams appear to refer to our desires; what do

we

> > dream about, what do we want to accomplish? What is in our minds?

> > The fear of the nine planets is also puzzling: does it refer to

> > certain cosmic influences in our lives, which are neutralized by

> > taking refuge in the Guru who controls cosmic influences?

> > questions, questions....I'll just have to meditate more on this

(or

> > perhaps someone could point me in the right direction?),

> >

> > with love,

> > Henny

> >

> > , Kali Kali

> > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Here's todays verse -

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 144. It is the process of accomplishing imperfect effects,

removing

> > the fear of the nine planets, destroying bad dreams, and granting

the

> > fruit of good dreams.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Comment: :Guru is the cause of all causes." Kasyapa sutra #15.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Please share your thoughts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Henny,

 

This is really a question better answered by a jyotish astrologer. My

one foray into that study went absolutely nowhere (I still don't know

why).

 

Any way, you know about praarabdha karma, analogous to an arrow shot

from a bow, before it lands? It includes those karmas from many past

lives. Some are in seed form, while others are preparing to manifest

(land), in the near and distant future. Some have said that this is

the immense storehouse of the unconscious. In it are all of the

tendencies we will express and experience, both causal (how the

universe responds to us) and subtle (our personal tendencies).

 

When one is born the planetary configuration is a reflection of our

praarabdha karmas. Some influences are strong, some are weak, and some

are neutral. It is a way our karmas are expressed through time. For a

while we may find name and fame, then one day, we lose everything, and

nothing seems to stay with us despite our best efforts.

 

The time of death is there as well.

 

When we make the decision to fulfill the purpose of our life and for

that purpose surrender to the guru, it is said that the guru takes

some of our karma and burns it quickly in her own body so that we will

have the freedom and ability to do effective sadhana. It is also said

that the guru is able to modify the fruition of karma (when the arrows

will land) so that we do not experience some karmas when they would

have come, and experience others sooner than we would have.

 

As I see it, the purpose of this maya is pure enjoyment for the

enlightened. For the unenlightened, its one purpose is to teach us to

seek enlightenment. When we begin to tread that path, it becomes the

gurudeva's duty to teach us what we need. The authority of the

gurudeva is above that of the planetary devas.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

, "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> Chrisji,

>

> > Perhaps too, bad dreams may on

> > occasion signal the onset of a new, and oppressive karmic influence

> > (ever had that experience?).

>

> No, can't say that I have

>

> >(yes, the guru

> > does alter the influence of the planets as they express our karmas).

>

> how do the planets express our karmas?

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

>

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> > > Dear Kalia,

> > >

> > > I don't understand 'the process of accomplishing imperfect

> effects'.

> > > What does that mean? Are effects by definition imperfect because

> they

> > > are partial manifestations of the source but not the source

> Itself?

> > > Does it mean that, as we go through life, we are in the process of

> > > transformation and on the path to perfection, and progress

> > > by 'accomplishing imperfect effects' (which progress is the Guru's

> > > grace)?

> > > The bad dreams/good dreams appear to refer to our desires; what do

> we

> > > dream about, what do we want to accomplish? What is in our minds?

> > > The fear of the nine planets is also puzzling: does it refer to

> > > certain cosmic influences in our lives, which are neutralized by

> > > taking refuge in the Guru who controls cosmic influences?

> > > questions, questions....I'll just have to meditate more on this

> (or

> > > perhaps someone could point me in the right direction?),

> > >

> > > with love,

> > > Henny

> > >

> > > , Kali Kali

> > > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here's todays verse -

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 144. It is the process of accomplishing imperfect effects,

> removing

> > > the fear of the nine planets, destroying bad dreams, and granting

> the

> > > fruit of good dreams.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Comment: :Guru is the cause of all causes." Kasyapa sutra #15.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Please share your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Chrisji, I understand,

 

with love,

Henny

 

, "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956@y.

...> wrote:

> Henny,

>

> This is really a question better answered by a jyotish astrologer.

My

> one foray into that study went absolutely nowhere (I still don't

know

> why).

>

> Any way, you know about praarabdha karma, analogous to an arrow shot

> from a bow, before it lands? It includes those karmas from many past

> lives. Some are in seed form, while others are preparing to manifest

> (land), in the near and distant future. Some have said that this is

> the immense storehouse of the unconscious. In it are all of the

> tendencies we will express and experience, both causal (how the

> universe responds to us) and subtle (our personal tendencies).

>

> When one is born the planetary configuration is a reflection of our

> praarabdha karmas. Some influences are strong, some are weak, and

some

> are neutral. It is a way our karmas are expressed through time. For

a

> while we may find name and fame, then one day, we lose everything,

and

> nothing seems to stay with us despite our best efforts.

>

> The time of death is there as well.

>

> When we make the decision to fulfill the purpose of our life and for

> that purpose surrender to the guru, it is said that the guru takes

> some of our karma and burns it quickly in her own body so that we

will

> have the freedom and ability to do effective sadhana. It is also

said

> that the guru is able to modify the fruition of karma (when the

arrows

> will land) so that we do not experience some karmas when they would

> have come, and experience others sooner than we would have.

>

> As I see it, the purpose of this maya is pure enjoyment for the

> enlightened. For the unenlightened, its one purpose is to teach us

to

> seek enlightenment. When we begin to tread that path, it becomes the

> gurudeva's duty to teach us what we need. The authority of the

> gurudeva is above that of the planetary devas.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

> , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> > Chrisji,

> >

> > > Perhaps too, bad dreams may on

> > > occasion signal the onset of a new, and oppressive karmic

influence

> > > (ever had that experience?).

> >

> > No, can't say that I have

> >

> > >(yes, the guru

> > > does alter the influence of the planets as they express our

karmas).

> >

> > how do the planets express our karmas?

> >

> > with love,

> > Henny

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...>

wrote:

> > > > Dear Kalia,

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand 'the process of accomplishing imperfect

> > effects'.

> > > > What does that mean? Are effects by definition imperfect

because

> > they

> > > > are partial manifestations of the source but not the source

> > Itself?

> > > > Does it mean that, as we go through life, we are in the

process of

> > > > transformation and on the path to perfection, and progress

> > > > by 'accomplishing imperfect effects' (which progress is the

Guru's

> > > > grace)?

> > > > The bad dreams/good dreams appear to refer to our desires;

what do

> > we

> > > > dream about, what do we want to accomplish? What is in our

minds?

> > > > The fear of the nine planets is also puzzling: does it refer

to

> > > > certain cosmic influences in our lives, which are neutralized

by

> > > > taking refuge in the Guru who controls cosmic influences?

> > > > questions, questions....I'll just have to meditate more on

this

> > (or

> > > > perhaps someone could point me in the right direction?),

> > > >

> > > > with love,

> > > > Henny

> > > >

> > > > , Kali Kali

> > > > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's todays verse -

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 144. It is the process of accomplishing imperfect effects,

> > removing

> > > > the fear of the nine planets, destroying bad dreams, and

granting

> > the

> > > > fruit of good dreams.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Comment: :Guru is the cause of all causes." Kasyapa sutra

#15.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Please share your thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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