Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 When I discussed once with Maa and Swamiji about my issues in anger, Swamiji suggested that I chant Chapter 7 of the Chandi. What I am realizing more and more, is that anger is not so much as a reaction to an outside agent, but more of a reaction to my inability to deal with the outside agent. When I give into anger I am really letting the outside agent control me. I have since learned to become more alert to my own symptoms - what is that feeling inside me that is getting triggered ? Is it a feeling of righteousness ?Is it a feeling of being victimized ?(Poor me, I am so nice and people are taking advantage of me)Is it a feeling of my inadequacy getting exposed ? WHAT is that feeling ? The minute I can identify that emotion, it ceases to control me, it simply drops. As some practical suggestions, here are some steps that help me and may be they might help you too. Stop blaming the external circumstances . Take control of my own emotions and actions. Be alert to my own responses and learn to walk away from poisonous situations.Introspect Introspect !!!and most of all FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT IS TRIGGERING THE PROBLEM ! One step that has helped me GREATLY is to do a Chandi for the person/people that is causing all my problems and offer the fruits of the prayer with genuine love to that person/people. Hope this helps ! Keep the prayers alive.JAi MaaNandaDo You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Namaste Nanda, Thanks for the great advice! Seems like this would also work with other unpleasant emotions such as bitterness or guilt. --- Nanda <chandimaakijai wrote: > Dear Ruchi and all, > > When I discussed once with Maa and Swamiji about my > issues in anger, Swamiji suggested that I chant > Chapter 7 of the Chandi. > > What I am realizing more and more, is that anger is > not so much as a reaction to an outside agent, but > more of a reaction to my inability to deal with the > outside agent. > > When I give into anger I am really letting the > outside agent control me. > > I have since learned to become more alert to my own > symptoms - what is that feeling inside me that is > getting triggered ? > Is it a feeling of righteousness ? > Is it a feeling of being victimized ?(Poor me, I am > so nice and people are taking advantage of me) > Is it a feeling of my inadequacy getting exposed ? > > WHAT is that feeling ? > > The minute I can identify that emotion, it ceases to > control me, it simply drops. > > As some practical suggestions, here are some steps > that help me and may be they might help you too. > Stop blaming the external circumstances . > Take control of my own emotions and actions. > Be alert to my own responses and learn to walk away > from poisonous situations. > Introspect Introspect !!! > and most of all FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT IS > TRIGGERING THE PROBLEM ! > > One step that has helped me GREATLY is to do a > Chandi for the person/people that is causing all my > problems and offer the fruits of the prayer with > genuine love to that person/people. > > Hope this helps ! Keep the prayers alive. > JAi Maa > Nanda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Thank you for this tip Nanda, chapter 7 it is. Om Jaya MAA!!!!! , Nanda <chandimaakijai> wrote: > Dear Ruchi and all, > > When I discussed once with Maa and Swamiji about my issues in anger, Swamiji suggested that I chant Chapter 7 of the Chandi. > > What I am realizing more and more, is that anger is not so much as a reaction to an outside agent, but more of a reaction to my inability to deal with the outside agent. > > When I give into anger I am really letting the outside agent control me. > > I have since learned to become more alert to my own symptoms - what is that feeling inside me that is getting triggered ? > Is it a feeling of righteousness ? > Is it a feeling of being victimized ?(Poor me, I am so nice and people are taking advantage of me) > Is it a feeling of my inadequacy getting exposed ? > > WHAT is that feeling ? > > The minute I can identify that emotion, it ceases to control me, it simply drops. > > As some practical suggestions, here are some steps that help me and may be they might help you too. > Stop blaming the external circumstances . > Take control of my own emotions and actions. > Be alert to my own responses and learn to walk away from poisonous situations. > Introspect Introspect !!! > and most of all FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT IS TRIGGERING THE PROBLEM ! > > One step that has helped me GREATLY is to do a Chandi for the person/people that is causing all my problems and offer the fruits of the prayer with genuine love to that person/people. > > Hope this helps ! Keep the prayers alive. > JAi Maa > Nanda > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Dear All, Thank you for your kind responses. I really do appreciate them. This is all like a yo-yo. When in presence of divine, one feels all forgiving and nurturing. I have the internal strength to take it all. But then the scenario changes and poor me the victim raises her head. Why are the others not doing the right thing. Why did they use me. I will never fall for this again. Practicality vs. spirituality. This is mostly a chatter in my head but slowly I realized that this is all pent up anger and I need to do something with it. I need to clear it out(remove the clutter) to make space for peace. On the practical part , you forgive the person but what do you do when you encounter the same behaviour again. becoz that is the trigger for all that non-sensical chatter. Your suggestions have been very helpful but if you have further ciomments on this I would appreciate it. Many Thanks, Ruchi [] On Behalf Of NandaMonday, June 13, 2005 4:27 PMSubject: Anger management Dear Ruchi and all, When I discussed once with Maa and Swamiji about my issues in anger, Swamiji suggested that I chant Chapter 7 of the Chandi. What I am realizing more and more, is that anger is not so much as a reaction to an outside agent, but more of a reaction to my inability to deal with the outside agent. When I give into anger I am really letting the outside agent control me. I have since learned to become more alert to my own symptoms - what is that feeling inside me that is getting triggered ? Is it a feeling of righteousness ?Is it a feeling of being victimized ?(Poor me, I am so nice and people are taking advantage of me)Is it a feeling of my inadequacy getting exposed ? WHAT is that feeling ? The minute I can identify that emotion, it ceases to control me, it simply drops. As some practical suggestions, here are some steps that help me and may be they might help you too. Stop blaming the external circumstances . Take control of my own emotions and actions. Be alert to my own responses and learn to walk away from poisonous situations.Introspect Introspect !!!and most of all FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT IS TRIGGERING THE PROBLEM ! One step that has helped me GREATLY is to do a Chandi for the person/people that is causing all my problems and offer the fruits of the prayer with genuine love to that person/people. Hope this helps ! Keep the prayers alive.JAi MaaNanda Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Good stuff!!! I find my anger stems from buttons that my family, my astrology, and my genetics weaved into my identity. These buttons are pressed and worked by outside forces. Sometimes these outside forces know what they are doing and sometimes they don't, but in the end they are still my buttons, and thus my responsibility. Only Mother can disconnect them and make them tools of consciousness. Only I can desire to not react when they are depressed. If I learn only one thing in this lifetime, I pray it be this: how to undo all the buttons weaved into my identity. Love, Brian > Dear Ruchi and all, > > When I discussed once with Maa and Swamiji about my issues in anger, > Swamiji suggested that I chant Chapter 7 of the Chandi. > > What I am realizing more and more, is that anger is not so much as a > reaction to an outside agent, but more of a reaction to my inability to > deal with the outside agent. > > When I give into anger I am really letting the outside agent control me. > > I have since learned to become more alert to my own symptoms - what is > that feeling inside me that is getting triggered ? > Is it a feeling of righteousness ? > Is it a feeling of being victimized ?(Poor me, I am so nice and people are > taking advantage of me) > Is it a feeling of my inadequacy getting exposed ? > > WHAT is that feeling ? > > The minute I can identify that emotion, it ceases to control me, it simply > drops. > > As some practical suggestions, here are some steps that help me and may be > they might help you too. > Stop blaming the external circumstances . > Take control of my own emotions and actions. > Be alert to my own responses and learn to walk away from poisonous > situations. > Introspect Introspect !!! > and most of all FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT IS TRIGGERING THE PROBLEM ! > > One step that has helped me GREATLY is to do a Chandi for the > person/people that is causing all my problems and offer the fruits of the > prayer with genuine love to that person/people. > > Hope this helps ! Keep the prayers alive. > JAi Maa > Nanda > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 did you see that movie called "what the bleep do i know?" we talked about it here a week or so ago. the idea is, we have patterns of responses, not only that, patterns of internal experience. we could even call it encoded internal karma, deeply held habits of reactions. this is built into our very neurological and chemical structures. sadhana is directly working on that, to loosen the hold of such things. it is like an operation on oneself, hoho. that's why it is said, meditation is the province of the mad man. so what does this mean for us? it means, it is a very big challenge. we are dumping chemicals of emotions into ourselves with every response to all stimuli. we anticipate and live by these reactions, are even ADDICTED to them!!!!!!!!! sadhana works against this. it opens us to either BHAV which is JOY and PEACE, or advaita NON-EXPERIENCE. both are tremendous breaks out of normal separative patterning. the DEPTH to which these reactions and experiences are ingrained is the degree to which we must apply sadhana. we have NO WAY we have of knowing directly for ourselves "how much" we have to do. our situation is much like the dreamer buried in all that muck, or a bird who has to move the entire beach one grain of sand at a time. it is inconceivable. ALL WE CAN DO is look toward the light, and clear away the muck. this is sadhana, not expressed beautifully, but this is the nuts and bolts core of what we do. look to the divine, and do what we think we should, based on our understanding and hearing. what we can grasp from this is the degree of the human situation, get the awareness of spirituality as a lifelong process, and get a hint why this is called the eternal way. we might get a lot of patience with ourselves then and settle in for the ride. , "Khanna, Ruchi" <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote: > Dear All, > > Thank you for your kind responses. I really do appreciate them. > This is all like a yo-yo. When in presence of divine, one feels all > forgiving and nurturing. > I have the internal strength to take it all. But then the scenario > changes and poor me the victim raises her head. > Why are the others not doing the right thing. Why did they use > me. I will never fall for this again. Practicality vs. spirituality. > This is mostly a chatter in my head but slowly I realized that this is > all pent up anger > and I need to do something with it. > I need to clear it out(remove the clutter) to make space for peace. > > On the practical part , you forgive the person but what do you do when > you encounter the same behaviour again. > becoz that is the trigger for all that non-sensical chatter. > > Your suggestions have been very helpful but if you have further > ciomments on this I would appreciate it. > > Many Thanks, > Ruchi > > > > > > > [] On Behalf Of Nanda > Monday, June 13, 2005 4:27 PM > > Anger management > > > Dear Ruchi and all, > > When I discussed once with Maa and Swamiji about my issues in > anger, Swamiji suggested that I chant Chapter 7 of the Chandi. > > What I am realizing more and more, is that anger is not so much > as a reaction to an outside agent, but more of a reaction to my > inability to deal with the outside agent. > > When I give into anger I am really letting the outside agent > control me. > > I have since learned to become more alert to my own symptoms - > what is that feeling inside me that is getting triggered ? > Is it a feeling of righteousness ? > Is it a feeling of being victimized ?(Poor me, I am so nice and > people are taking advantage of me) > Is it a feeling of my inadequacy getting exposed ? > > WHAT is that feeling ? > > The minute I can identify that emotion, it ceases to control me, > it simply drops. > > As some practical suggestions, here are some steps that help me > and may be they might help you too. > Stop blaming the external circumstances . > Take control of my own emotions and actions. > Be alert to my own responses and learn to walk away from > poisonous situations. > Introspect Introspect !!! > and most of all FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT IS TRIGGERING THE > PROBLEM ! > > One step that has helped me GREATLY is to do a Chandi for the > person/people that is causing all my problems and offer the fruits of > the prayer with genuine love to that person/people. > > Hope this helps ! Keep the prayers alive. > JAi Maa > Nanda > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Links > > > * > / > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > * Terms > of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I suggest you remove the word "I" from these sentences and replace it with, "Maa." "I" can't help you, only Maa can... > Dear All, > [snip] > This is mostly a chatter in my head but slowly I realized that this is > all pent up anger > and I need to do something with it. > I need to clear it out(remove the clutter) to make space for peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 OM NAMAH SIVAYA these posts remind me of an anology(from Amma i think) of stress to a cup of coffee. in the mornings many people have a cup of coffee or tea. we pick up the cup, take a drink, and set the cup down again. no big deal. but say you don't set the coffee cup down and you continued to hold it. how long could you hold onto the cup. one hour? two? the whole morning? at first it wouldn't be a problem to hold the cup, but as you continued to hold it you would get tight muscles, aching and maybe cramps. and if you held the cup long enough, without a break, you may end up in the hospital. it is the same with our mental stresses and anguish. they are the coffee cup. sadhana is our opportunity to set the cup down if even for a little bit. sadhana gives us the chance to take a break and seperate ourselves from the stresses of life we are carrying around. our spiritual practices help us to better deal with them when we pick them up again. it eases the burden. or maybe we will decide to just leave them there and not pick them up again at all. JAI MA , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > did you see that movie called "what the bleep do i know?" we talked > about it here a week or so ago. > > the idea is, we have patterns of responses, not only that, patterns of > internal experience. we could even call it encoded internal karma, > deeply held habits of reactions. this is built into our very > neurological and chemical structures. > > sadhana is directly working on that, to loosen the hold of such > things. it is like an operation on oneself, hoho. that's why it is > said, meditation is the province of the mad man. > > so what does this mean for us? it means, it is a very big challenge. > we are dumping chemicals of emotions into ourselves with every > response to all stimuli. we anticipate and live by these reactions, > are even ADDICTED to them!!!!!!!!! > > sadhana works against this. it opens us to either BHAV which is JOY > and PEACE, or advaita NON-EXPERIENCE. both are tremendous breaks out > of normal separative patterning. > > the DEPTH to which these reactions and experiences are ingrained is > the degree to which we must apply sadhana. we have NO WAY we have of > knowing directly for ourselves "how much" we have to do. our situation > is much like the dreamer buried in all that muck, or a bird who has to > move the entire beach one grain of sand at a time. it is > inconceivable. > > ALL WE CAN DO is look toward the light, and clear away the muck. this > is sadhana, not expressed beautifully, but this is the nuts and bolts > core of what we do. look to the divine, and do what we think we > should, based on our understanding and hearing. > > what we can grasp from this is the degree of the human situation, get > the awareness of spirituality as a lifelong process, and get a hint > why this is called the eternal way. we might get a lot of patience > with ourselves then and settle in for the ride. > > > > , "Khanna, Ruchi" > <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Thank you for your kind responses. I really do appreciate them. > > This is all like a yo-yo. When in presence of divine, one feels all > > forgiving and nurturing. > > I have the internal strength to take it all. But then the scenario > > changes and poor me the victim raises her head. > > Why are the others not doing the right thing. Why did they use > > me. I will never fall for this again. Practicality vs. spirituality. > > This is mostly a chatter in my head but slowly I realized that this > is > > all pent up anger > > and I need to do something with it. > > I need to clear it out(remove the clutter) to make space for peace. > > > > On the practical part , you forgive the person but what do you do > when > > you encounter the same behaviour again. > > becoz that is the trigger for all that non-sensical chatter. > > > > Your suggestions have been very helpful but if you have further > > ciomments on this I would appreciate it. > > > > Many Thanks, > > Ruchi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [] On Behalf Of Nanda > > Monday, June 13, 2005 4:27 PM > > > > Anger management > > > > > > Dear Ruchi and all, > > > > When I discussed once with Maa and Swamiji about my issues in > > anger, Swamiji suggested that I chant Chapter 7 of the Chandi. > > > > What I am realizing more and more, is that anger is not so much > > as a reaction to an outside agent, but more of a reaction to my > > inability to deal with the outside agent. > > > > When I give into anger I am really letting the outside agent > > control me. > > > > I have since learned to become more alert to my own symptoms - > > what is that feeling inside me that is getting triggered ? > > Is it a feeling of righteousness ? > > Is it a feeling of being victimized ?(Poor me, I am so nice and > > people are taking advantage of me) > > Is it a feeling of my inadequacy getting exposed ? > > > > WHAT is that feeling ? > > > > The minute I can identify that emotion, it ceases to control me, > > it simply drops. > > > > As some practical suggestions, here are some steps that help me > > and may be they might help you too. > > Stop blaming the external circumstances . > > Take control of my own emotions and actions. > > Be alert to my own responses and learn to walk away from > > poisonous situations. > > Introspect Introspect !!! > > and most of all FORGIVE THE PERSON THAT IS TRIGGERING THE > > PROBLEM ! > > > > One step that has helped me GREATLY is to do a Chandi for the > > person/people that is causing all my problems and offer the fruits > of > > the prayer with genuine love to that person/people. > > > > Hope this helps ! Keep the prayers alive. > > JAi Maa > > Nanda > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Links > > > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > * Terms > > of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 , "Khanna, Ruchi" <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote: > Your suggestions have been very helpful but if you have further > ciomments on this I would appreciate it. > Many Thanks, > Ruchi Dearest Ruchi, I do not know your situation nor would I assume to know what will help you. I can offer some recent experiences I have had. I am in a situation of caring for a relative that has been very ill. I am not the one who "is supposed to be doing this" but I simply could not stand by to watch what was happening. So first I do have to say, I took this on. Secondly, I have to say that there have been many many lessons and gifts for ME. I see Mother's hand at work in MY life through this. NOW, there have been days, many of them, when I was so tired and so stressed and financially tap that I did not know how I would muster one more hour of patience...which this family member really needs. More than all the hours and stress and exhaustion, it was my anger over the thought, some would say reality, of my being taken advantage of by family members....not the one needing help...but others standing by, that really really rocked my serenity. I got to a very bad place a few days last week. I wanted to respond to Nanda's question from Shree Maa "How is your mind?" by saying....NOT SO GOOD. All I could do was pray to Chandi to help. I said, I don't know what to do, I am exhausted, I am overcome with this anger, I do not know how to move on. Please help Mother. I take refuge in you. I don't know what else to do. Then I remembered the mantra about how those who take refuge in the Mother will not meet with calamity and how they will become a refuge to others. Within a few hours something DID shift. I have a reprieve from my anger and supports are coming, I know. Now if I can just keep little ego out of it all. I am not assuming this is your situation, but before all of this I PRAYED to Durga that I could be of service. Then THIS situation came to me. I told Her I wanted to be of service!!! I ASKED FOR THIS in a very conscious way. Yikes. Shree Maa says, love and trust God and ask for nothing else. Hard to live by but the more I can TRUST Her, the better I cope and the better I am in the world. I think perhaps I should lean on Chandi for help and not my family. She might inspire them, I cannot control them. >From one to another-with love and offering encouragement. Now, I will chant the 7th chapter of the Chandi with you! OM Shanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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