GG Verse 146 - Guru Gita grants freedom from disease-Chris

[Guest guest]

OM NAMAH SIVAYA

 

it seems it really IS all about devotion, huh. as Jerry and the boys

say, "what a long strange trip its been." who knew? God knows.

 

JAI MA

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956> wrote:

> Kalia,

>

> I think the first part of this points again to the benefits of

> treading the path of light. When the gurudeva becomes the caretaker

> and the guiding force of your life, many things can (not

necessarily

> will) change for the "better".

>

> Swamiji has discussed before, I think in reply to a question here

on

> the forum, about how our sadhana effects our family both after us

and

> before. I can't say I really understand this. I have only heard

before

> about how children receive part of their karma from their parents

> before they are born.

>

> I think the idea of the widow, amplified in the next part of the

> verse, is that a widow, especially if she is nearing the end of her

> life, no longer needs to fill her heart with the needs of husband

and

> children, but can fill it with God and Guru instead.

>

> I have observed that, at their best, women have such naturally

> beautiful hearts. In contrast to most men, who are more in their

heads

> and stomachs, women are capable of great compassion and selfless

love

> for others. This natural facility makes it easier for women, I

think,

> to devote themselves to God and Guru, to the exclusion of their

> personal desires. As you know, though by no means easy, devotion is

> said to be the easiest path to self-realization. The woman with no

> other attachments can achieve self-realization through devotion to

> Guru, and the path of the Guru (remember, the purpose for which we

> recite is perfection in the prasad of the Guru).

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

>

> , Kali Kali

> <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> >

> >

> > Our verse today :

> >

> >

> >

> > 146. One attains life, freedom from disease, and imperishable

> qualities for their children and their grandchildren through the

> generations. If recited by a widow or any woman without desire, she

> may attain self- realization.

> >

> >

> >

> > Please help us to understand a bit more by sharing your

> thoughts/insight.

> >

> >

> >

> > Many thanks to you all.

> >

> >

> >

> > Jai Guruji ki jai.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Discover

> > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend.

Check

> it out!

[Guest guest]

Now Jerry knows too...

 

For awhile, at least.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

, "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us>

wrote:

> OM NAMAH SIVAYA

>

> it seems it really IS all about devotion, huh. as Jerry and the boys

> say, "what a long strange trip its been." who knew? God knows.

>

> JAI MA

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > Kalia,

> >

> > I think the first part of this points again to the benefits of

> > treading the path of light. When the gurudeva becomes the caretaker

> > and the guiding force of your life, many things can (not

> necessarily

> > will) change for the "better".

> >

> > Swamiji has discussed before, I think in reply to a question here

> on

> > the forum, about how our sadhana effects our family both after us

> and

> > before. I can't say I really understand this. I have only heard

> before

> > about how children receive part of their karma from their parents

> > before they are born.

> >

> > I think the idea of the widow, amplified in the next part of the

> > verse, is that a widow, especially if she is nearing the end of her

> > life, no longer needs to fill her heart with the needs of husband

> and

> > children, but can fill it with God and Guru instead.

> >

> > I have observed that, at their best, women have such naturally

> > beautiful hearts. In contrast to most men, who are more in their

> heads

> > and stomachs, women are capable of great compassion and selfless

> love

> > for others. This natural facility makes it easier for women, I

> think,

> > to devote themselves to God and Guru, to the exclusion of their

> > personal desires. As you know, though by no means easy, devotion is

> > said to be the easiest path to self-realization. The woman with no

> > other attachments can achieve self-realization through devotion to

> > Guru, and the path of the Guru (remember, the purpose for which we

> > recite is perfection in the prasad of the Guru).

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , Kali Kali

> > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Our verse today :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 146. One attains life, freedom from disease, and imperishable

> > qualities for their children and their grandchildren through the

> > generations. If recited by a widow or any woman without desire, she

> > may attain self- realization.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Please help us to understand a bit more by sharing your

> > thoughts/insight.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Many thanks to you all.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai Guruji ki jai.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Discover

> > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend.

> Check

> > it out!

[Guest guest]

Eric,

 

I don't know why, but I have been thinking about your post since I

first responded, and I feel like I want to say a bit about jnana,

since, I think, it is often misunderstood by devotees.

 

No, I don't think it is all about devotion - I really don't - though I

cannot imagine being without it.

 

Really, in terms of the discussion of bhakti vs jnana, I don't see

that there is a pure separation. Bhaktas need knowledge as much as

jnanis need devotion.

 

The way I see it, jnana is the purest expression of divine

consciousness that remains in creation. Bhakti is the purest form of

bliss that remains in creation.

 

If you recall, the Supreme, Brahman, is described as without

attributes, but since we cannot conceive of anything without

attributes, we say that the Supreme is sat (existence), chit (pure

consciousness), and ananda (bliss). That is All.

 

In this maya, Sat is self-evident; we all exist. The purest form of

Chit in this maya is jnana, and the purest form of Ananda is devotion.

So, you see, they are both equally part of, or pure expressions of the

One Whole.

 

When most of us think of jnana, I think we think of dry ideas and

mental gymnastics. We think of people who play with ideas like

children play with toys, as if they had no intrinsic meaning, no

worth, and whose play is all wrapped-up in demonstrating how much they

know and how facile their minds are.

 

The word philosopher has lost all its beauty in this age. In times

past, people understood that the study of philosophy was the study of

Truth, the study of God. Philosopher means, lover of Knowledge,

knowledge with a capital "K".

 

Mother has said that the practice of Truth is the most important

practice for this present age. But Truth extends far beyond our

individual mental operations and behaviors (though this is indeed

where we live). Everything in this samsara is imbued with Truth, if we

can discern it. There is beauty all around, and Truth is beautiful.

The Truth is God, and God is consciousness, and the purest form of

consciousness in this samsara is jnana. And jnana is not a discipline

(really), nor a bit of knowledge, it is an awareness, an attainment

(at its fullest); it is the ability to see God in a very beautiful

and special way.

 

When one perceives the beauty of God, in a prayer, a bhajan, or even

an insight, one cannot help but respond with love in the heart. The

pure jnani finds pure devotion in Truth.

 

As Mother has said, (though I cannot for the life of me recall her

exact words - and the word she used was perfect ) when we extend,

or extrapolate an idea far enough, we get a flash of inspiration.

 

That flash of inspiration is jnana. It is touching the hem of Her

sari. How can one not feel blessed. Jnana is not about how many

scriptures one knows, nor about how many degrees one has, nor about

how well one debates, nor even about constantly holding lofty ideas in

one's mind. Jnana is about touching the hem of Divine Mother's sari,

and bowing in reverence before Her great beauty and love.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us>

wrote:

> OM NAMAH SIVAYA

>

> it seems it really IS all about devotion, huh. as Jerry and the boys

> say, "what a long strange trip its been." who knew? God knows.

>

> JAI MA

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > Kalia,

> >

> > I think the first part of this points again to the benefits of

> > treading the path of light. When the gurudeva becomes the caretaker

> > and the guiding force of your life, many things can (not

> necessarily

> > will) change for the "better".

> >

> > Swamiji has discussed before, I think in reply to a question here

> on

> > the forum, about how our sadhana effects our family both after us

> and

> > before. I can't say I really understand this. I have only heard

> before

> > about how children receive part of their karma from their parents

> > before they are born.

> >

> > I think the idea of the widow, amplified in the next part of the

> > verse, is that a widow, especially if she is nearing the end of her

> > life, no longer needs to fill her heart with the needs of husband

> and

> > children, but can fill it with God and Guru instead.

> >

> > I have observed that, at their best, women have such naturally

> > beautiful hearts. In contrast to most men, who are more in their

> heads

> > and stomachs, women are capable of great compassion and selfless

> love

> > for others. This natural facility makes it easier for women, I

> think,

> > to devote themselves to God and Guru, to the exclusion of their

> > personal desires. As you know, though by no means easy, devotion is

> > said to be the easiest path to self-realization. The woman with no

> > other attachments can achieve self-realization through devotion to

> > Guru, and the path of the Guru (remember, the purpose for which we

> > recite is perfection in the prasad of the Guru).

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , Kali Kali

> > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Our verse today :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 146. One attains life, freedom from disease, and imperishable

> > qualities for their children and their grandchildren through the

> > generations. If recited by a widow or any woman without desire, she

> > may attain self- realization.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Please help us to understand a bit more by sharing your

> > thoughts/insight.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Many thanks to you all.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai Guruji ki jai.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Discover

> > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend.

> Check

> > it out!

[Guest guest]

JAI MA!!

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956> wrote:

> Eric,

>

> I don't know why, but I have been thinking about your post since I

> first responded, and I feel like I want to say a bit about jnana,

> since, I think, it is often misunderstood by devotees.

>

> No, I don't think it is all about devotion - I really don't -

though I

> cannot imagine being without it.

>

> Really, in terms of the discussion of bhakti vs jnana, I don't see

> that there is a pure separation. Bhaktas need knowledge as much as

> jnanis need devotion.

>

> The way I see it, jnana is the purest expression of divine

> consciousness that remains in creation. Bhakti is the purest form

of

> bliss that remains in creation.

>

> If you recall, the Supreme, Brahman, is described as without

> attributes, but since we cannot conceive of anything without

> attributes, we say that the Supreme is sat (existence), chit (pure

> consciousness), and ananda (bliss). That is All.

>

> In this maya, Sat is self-evident; we all exist. The purest form of

> Chit in this maya is jnana, and the purest form of Ananda is

devotion.

> So, you see, they are both equally part of, or pure expressions of

the

> One Whole.

>

> When most of us think of jnana, I think we think of dry ideas and

> mental gymnastics. We think of people who play with ideas like

> children play with toys, as if they had no intrinsic meaning, no

> worth, and whose play is all wrapped-up in demonstrating how much

they

> know and how facile their minds are.

>

> The word philosopher has lost all its beauty in this age. In times

> past, people understood that the study of philosophy was the study

of

> Truth, the study of God. Philosopher means, lover of Knowledge,

> knowledge with a capital "K".

>

> Mother has said that the practice of Truth is the most important

> practice for this present age. But Truth extends far beyond our

> individual mental operations and behaviors (though this is indeed

> where we live). Everything in this samsara is imbued with Truth,

if we

> can discern it. There is beauty all around, and Truth is beautiful.

> The Truth is God, and God is consciousness, and the purest form of

> consciousness in this samsara is jnana. And jnana is not a

discipline

> (really), nor a bit of knowledge, it is an awareness, an attainment

> (at its fullest); it is the ability to see God in a very beautiful

> and special way.

>

> When one perceives the beauty of God, in a prayer, a bhajan, or

even

> an insight, one cannot help but respond with love in the heart. The

> pure jnani finds pure devotion in Truth.

>

> As Mother has said, (though I cannot for the life of me recall her

> exact words - and the word she used was perfect ) when we

extend,

> or extrapolate an idea far enough, we get a flash of inspiration.

>

> That flash of inspiration is jnana. It is touching the hem of Her

> sari. How can one not feel blessed. Jnana is not about how many

> scriptures one knows, nor about how many degrees one has, nor about

> how well one debates, nor even about constantly holding lofty

ideas in

> one's mind. Jnana is about touching the hem of Divine Mother's

sari,

> and bowing in reverence before Her great beauty and love.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

, "ecjensen_us"

<ecjensen_us>

> wrote:

> > OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> >

> > it seems it really IS all about devotion, huh. as Jerry and the

boys

> > say, "what a long strange trip its been." who knew? God

knows.

> >

> > JAI MA

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > Kalia,

> > >

> > > I think the first part of this points again to the benefits of

> > > treading the path of light. When the gurudeva becomes the

caretaker

> > > and the guiding force of your life, many things can (not

> > necessarily

> > > will) change for the "better".

> > >

> > > Swamiji has discussed before, I think in reply to a question

here

> > on

> > > the forum, about how our sadhana effects our family both after

us

> > and

> > > before. I can't say I really understand this. I have only

heard

> > before

> > > about how children receive part of their karma from their

parents

> > > before they are born.

> > >

> > > I think the idea of the widow, amplified in the next part of

the

> > > verse, is that a widow, especially if she is nearing the end

of her

> > > life, no longer needs to fill her heart with the needs of

husband

> > and

> > > children, but can fill it with God and Guru instead.

> > >

> > > I have observed that, at their best, women have such naturally

> > > beautiful hearts. In contrast to most men, who are more in

their

> > heads

> > > and stomachs, women are capable of great compassion and

selfless

> > love

> > > for others. This natural facility makes it easier for women, I

> > think,

> > > to devote themselves to God and Guru, to the exclusion of their

> > > personal desires. As you know, though by no means easy,

devotion is

> > > said to be the easiest path to self-realization. The woman

with no

> > > other attachments can achieve self-realization through

devotion to

> > > Guru, and the path of the Guru (remember, the purpose for

which we

> > > recite is perfection in the prasad of the Guru).

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Kali Kali

> > > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Our verse today :

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 146. One attains life, freedom from disease, and imperishable

> > > qualities for their children and their grandchildren through

the

> > > generations. If recited by a widow or any woman without

desire, she

> > > may attain self- realization.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Please help us to understand a bit more by sharing your

> > > thoughts/insight.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks to you all.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jai Guruji ki jai.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Discover

> > > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the

weekend.

> > Check

> > > it out!