To Henny on Guru Gita Vs 159 - ..... Multitude of the Gods and all places of pilgrimage will inhabit

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Dear Henny,

Your mail has made very interesting reading, I wonder though are you

really confused or are you longing for more or rather is your soul

crying for more?. Whereas I do not have the capacity to answer all

of your queries, I will do the best possible with the limited

understanding available and also seek advise.

You are correct when you say that consistency and stability are

important, but not only in these two verses (158 and 159) but in any

spiritual practice. If you look at the atha kilakam in the Chandi

verse 4 says “There is no mantra, no medicine, nor anything else

known by which indifference to all can be attained without repeated

application.” This consistency gives birth to devotion and through

devotion the Guru calls us.

The highest form of the Guru is Lord Shiva, the ultimate knowledge.

The Guru us the manifestation of that knowledge. The Guru

illuminates the path. The Guru removes ignorance and reveals the

truth. The Guru transmits knowledge to the disciples.

The True Guru to me is a physical manifestation of Lord Shiva. Not

sure whether you we part of the Chandi study but in Chapter 11, the

Hymn of Narayani we learned that through Divine Mother’s love for Her

children She exposes consciousness – She gives consciousness a

physical form so that we can have a relationship with that form. The

Guru is the form of consciousness. Guru is beyond form and gender,

Guru is in our heart, Guru is that Divine flow of energy that is

within each and every one of us waiting to

be awakened.

When Kalia refers to Guru, Gurujis it means both Maa and Swamiji. I

do not see them as separate, to bow to Maa is to bow to Swami.

Remember at the beginning of the Gita Lord Shiva told Parvati “You

are my own form”. Shree Maa and Swamiji are my

Guru.

What is strange about Swamiji liking egg-plant? A bit unclear on

this. Remember the physical body needs some measure of nourishment.

On your visualization, all I would say at this time is that ours is a

guru disciple relationship which is different from teacher/student.

The student studies what he/she is taught thinking of worldly

achievements, the disciple on the other hand studies self thinking of

union with the Supreme.

Hope this has helped you some what.

Thanks very much Henny for your response and for granting this opportunity.

Pranams.

Kalia.henny_v_i <HvI (AT) SoftHome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Kalia and all,I'm having some problems with these verses,

reflecting some problems I'm having trying to reconcile the 'Guru

principle' and the Guru in bodily form. It may be totally beside the

point here, but I would like to tell you because it gives me a

headache and perhaps someone can help.My first reaction to verse 158

and 159 was that consistency and stability are important in this

verse and in the previous one (see the use of the words 'always' and

'maintain'). We can 'become' the Guru precisely because we already

'are' the Guru, but we keep forgetting (or don't believe it in the

first place). To 'become' the Guru, then, is to finally be our Self:

knowing, from experience, that our true Self is the Highest Divinity

and living this truth consistently. How can this not mean the

establishment of peace, truth and

purity in our life, which is all life. That's the theory.Now, I

understand that there are enlightened beings (for want of a better

term), who know who they truly are all the time (or at least most of

the time), and thus they can be an example for us of consistency and

stability in living the truth. And the experience of their peace,

truth and purity (which is also the peace, truth and purity we have

hidden in ourselves under the 'dirt of worldy objects and

relationships) can help us to 'resonate' more and remember.The

Guru-principle can thus 'work through' embodied beings (or the

Guru-principle maintains a physical form) in order to teach us truth.

And here is where I get confused: with Shree Maa and Swamiji, we have

two physical forms, embodying the same principle. So when we speak of

'our guru', what are we speaking about? To me, that 'guru' is the

light I experience in me, a light I also see in Swamiji and Shree Maa

and because their light is unobscured, their light can lead me to

dis-cover more that light-in-me. Now, because I think of them in

terms of inner light, the actual bodily forms get blurred. In

meditation, I see Shree Maa sometimes as Shiva, sometimes as Mother

and Swamiji sometimes as Mother, sometimes as Shiva, and sometimes

they merge into each other as 'just light'. So the reality of the

bodily form, the presence of a person you experience when you

actually meet someone, is not there. When I hear about Swamiji liking

egg-plant, for instance, that seems to be an entirely different

'entity' than the Shree-Swami-Maa-ji I think of as the Guru. And in

practical terms it is confusing too: how can you address a

two-in-one-person, who do you speak to? I know Swamiji answers our

questions, but Shree Maa is there automatically as well as I read the

answer. So if someone would ask me 'who do you consider to be your

guru?' I

honestly wouldn't know what to say. There seem to be two, but there is

only one to me, which is also the light in me. So your question of how

the Guru's attitude has impacted your life leads me to ask 'which

guru'?puzzled,Henny, Kali Kali

<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:> > Here is our verse for today, 27

June -> > > > 159. Wherever he resides, he maintains his own

attitude, completely pure within and without. There (in his presence)

the multitude of, the Gods and all places of pilgrimage will inhabit.

> > > > Comment: This verse today to reminds me first of Pramahansa

Ramakrishna who did everything straight from the heart and with great

enthusiasm. He wasted no time or energy on earthly pursuits but

showered all his love and energy on the Divine, He was the same

always no matter where he

was or in whose company, He maintained truth, simplicity, humility and

an undying love for Mother. He was ever in Divine Bliss. "O Mother."

he would pray day and night. "I have taken refuge in you. Teach me

what to do or say. Thy will is paramount everywhere and is for the

benefit of Thy children. Merge my ego in Thy will and make me Thy

instrument."> > > > Also, my Gurujis who to me represents -Truth,

peace, humility, simplicity, bliss. It is said that whatever we

perceive to be outside of the body is also within, the rivers, the

seas. The mandir reflects the attitude of Gurujis, there is always

Peace and serenity in that abode. The bodily form, the earthly

residence are all the same humble, at one with nature, peaceful and

filled with the bliss of being. To step into Shree Maa Way is to

step into the abode of the Gods and Goddesses.>

> > > Is there anything that you can share with us on this?> > How

has your Guru's attitude impacted on your life? > > There is lots of

knowledge being gained here. How are you using the knowledge to grow

in the path of the Guru? > > Is there any thing special that you

might like to share?> > > > Kalia> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Kalia,

 

you wrote:

> I wonder though are you really confused or are you longing for more

> or rather is your soul crying for more?

 

dear sister, you saw right through me. I did not see it clearly myself

until now, but apparently it was quite obvious. It is good to have

friends who can tell you what's going on even if you are denying it to

yourself. I want to get closer and I start running away; strange isn't

it..

> When Kalia refers to Guru, Gurujis it means both Maa and Swamiji. I

>do not see them as separate, to bow to Maa is to bow to Swami.

>Remember at the beginning of the Gita Lord Shiva told Parvati "You

>are my own form". Shree Maa and Swamiji are my Guru.

 

yes, I understand!

> What is strange about Swamiji liking egg-plant? A bit unclear on

>this. Remember the physical body needs some measure of nourishment.

 

yes, of course, and I did not for one minute mean to imply that

Swamiji should not like egg-plant! May He have many occasions to enjoy

it! It was just meant to illustrate the problem of reconciling in my

mind the actual living, breathing and eating person with the presence

of the Guru I feel in my heart. The heart understands things the mind

does not.

 

thank you, dear Kalia, for taking the time to respond to my (somewhat

obscure) post. You and others here have helped me very much to face

what is really going on and stop running.

 

with love,

Henny

 

 

 

 

 

> Dear Henny,

>

>

>

> Your mail has made very interesting reading, I wonder though are you

really confused or are you longing for more or rather is your soul

crying for more?. Whereas I do not have the capacity to answer all of

your queries, I will do the best possible with the limited

understanding available and also seek advise.

>

>

>

> You are correct when you say that consistency and stability are

important, but not only in these two verses (158 and 159) but in any

spiritual practice. If you look at the atha kilakam in the Chandi

verse 4 says "There is no mantra, no medicine, nor anything else known

by which indifference to all can be attained without repeated

application." This consistency gives birth to devotion and through

devotion the Guru calls us.

>

>

>

> The highest form of the Guru is Lord Shiva, the ultimate knowledge.

The Guru us the manifestation of that knowledge. The Guru illuminates

the path. The Guru removes ignorance and reveals the truth. The Guru

transmits knowledge to the disciples.

>

> The True Guru to me is a physical manifestation of Lord Shiva. Not

sure whether you we part of the Chandi study but in Chapter 11, the

Hymn of Narayani we learned that through Divine Mother's love for Her

children She exposes consciousness – She gives consciousness a

physical form so that we can have a relationship with that form. The

Guru is the form of consciousness. Guru is beyond form and gender,

Guru is in our heart, Guru is that Divine flow of energy that is

within each and every one of us waiting to be awakened.

>

>

>

> When Kalia refers to Guru, Gurujis it means both Maa and Swamiji. I

do not see them as separate, to bow to Maa is to bow to Swami.

Remember at the beginning of the Gita Lord Shiva told Parvati "You are

my own form". Shree Maa and Swamiji are my Guru.

>

>

>

> What is strange about Swamiji liking egg-plant? A bit unclear on

this. Remember the physical body needs some measure of nourishment.

On your visualization, all I would say at this time is that ours is a

guru disciple relationship which is different from teacher/student.

The student studies what he/she is taught thinking of worldly

achievements, the disciple on the other hand studies self thinking of

union with the Supreme.

>

>

>

> Hope this has helped you some what.

>

>

>

> Thanks very much Henny for your response and for granting this

opportunity.

>

>

>

> Pranams.

>

> Kalia.

>

>

> henny_v_i <HvI@S...> wrote:Dear Kalia and all,

>

> I'm having some problems with these verses, reflecting some problems

> I'm having trying to reconcile the 'Guru principle' and the Guru in

> bodily form. It may be totally beside the point here, but I would

like

> to tell you because it gives me a headache and perhaps someone can

> help.

>

> My first reaction to verse 158 and 159 was that consistency and

> stability are important in this verse and in the previous one (see

the

> use of the words 'always' and 'maintain'). We can 'become' the Guru

> precisely because we already 'are' the Guru, but we keep forgetting

> (or don't believe it in the first place). To 'become' the Guru,

then,

> is to finally be our Self: knowing, from experience, that our true

> Self is the Highest Divinity and living this truth consistently. How

> can this not mean the establishment of peace, truth and purity in

our

> life, which is all life. That's the theory.

>

> Now, I understand that there are enlightened beings (for want of a

> better term), who know who they truly are all the time (or at least

> most of the time), and thus they can be an example for us of

> consistency and stability in living the truth. And the experience of

> their peace, truth and purity (which is also the peace, truth and

> purity we have hidden in ourselves under the 'dirt of worldy objects

> and relationships) can help us to 'resonate' more and remember.

>

> The Guru-principle can thus 'work through' embodied beings (or the

> Guru-principle maintains a physical form) in order to teach us

truth.

> And here is where I get confused: with Shree Maa and Swamiji, we

have

> two physical forms, embodying the same principle. So when we speak

of

> 'our guru', what are we speaking about? To me, that 'guru' is the

> light I experience in me, a light I also see in Swamiji and Shree

Maa

> and because their light is unobscured, their light can lead me to

> dis-cover more that light-in-me. Now, because I think of them in

terms

> of inner light, the actual bodily forms get blurred. In meditation,

I

> see Shree Maa sometimes as Shiva, sometimes as Mother and Swamiji

> sometimes as Mother, sometimes as Shiva, and sometimes they merge

into

> each other as 'just light'. So the reality of the bodily form, the

> presence of a person you experience when you actually meet someone,

is

> not there. When I hear about Swamiji liking egg-plant, for instance,

> that seems to be an entirely different 'entity' than the

> Shree-Swami-Maa-ji I think of as the Guru. And in practical terms it

> is confusing too: how can you address a two-in-one-person, who do

you

> speak to? I know Swamiji answers our questions, but Shree Maa is

there

> automatically as well as I read the answer. So if someone would ask

me

> 'who do you consider to be your guru?' I honestly wouldn't know what

> to say. There seem to be two, but there is only one to me, which is

> also the light in me. So your question of how the Guru's attitude

has

> impacted your life leads me to ask 'which guru'?

>

> puzzled,

> Henny

>

>

>

> , Kali Kali

<kaliananda_saraswati@y.

> ..> wrote:

> >

> > Here is our verse for today, 27 June -

> >

> >

> >

> > 159. Wherever he resides, he maintains his own attitude,

completely

> pure within and without. There (in his presence) the multitude of,

the

> Gods and all places of pilgrimage will inhabit.

> >

> >

> >

> > Comment: This verse today to reminds me first of Pramahansa

> Ramakrishna who did everything straight from the heart and with

great

> enthusiasm. He wasted no time or energy on earthly pursuits but

> showered all his love and energy on the Divine, He was the same

always

> no matter where he was or in whose company, He maintained truth,

> simplicity, humility and an undying love for Mother. He was ever in

> Divine Bliss. "O Mother." he would pray day and night. "I have

taken

> refuge in you. Teach me what to do or say. Thy will is paramount

> everywhere and is for the benefit of Thy children. Merge my ego in

Thy

> will and make me Thy instrument."

> >

> >

> >

> > Also, my Gurujis who to me represents -Truth, peace, humility,

> simplicity, bliss. It is said that whatever we perceive to be

outside

> of the body is also within, the rivers, the seas. The mandir

reflects

> the attitude of Gurujis, there is always Peace and serenity in that

> abode. The bodily form, the earthly residence are all the same

> humble, at one with nature, peaceful and filled with the bliss of

> being. To step into Shree Maa Way is to step into the abode of the

> Gods and Goddesses.

> >

> >

> >

> > Is there anything that you can share with us on this?

> >

> > How has your Guru's attitude impacted on your life?

> >

> > There is lots of knowledge being gained here. How are you using

the

> knowledge to grow in the path of the Guru?

> >

> > Is there any thing special that you might like to share?

> >

> >

> >

> > Kalia

> >

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