to Kalia and Chris on verse 176 - Recite the Guru Gita in any limitation

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Dear Kalia and Chris and all,

 

thank you both for your interesting comments on this verse. I like

Chrisji's explanation that the confusion is in our minds, that no

place is inherently confusing, and that the cultivation of mental

purity is important. And I also see Kalia's point (thank your for

sharing Shree Maa's advice) about the importance of order and tidyness

in our physical surroundings.

 

Together you have shown me:

-If our minds are full of dirt and clutter, our houses will mirror

this state. By cleaning our houses, deciding what we no longer need

and by washing away the accumulated dust of times gone by, we are also

cleaning our minds. By cleaning also the inside of our cupboards, we

are acknowledging that to present a pretty picture for casual visitors

is not enough. We are saying that in our minds also, what is hidden

must be brought to light and cleaned. Or else something is going to

fall on our heads and hurt us the minute we inadvertedly open the

door.

-If our minds are pure and free from disorder, our environment will be

so too; the inner purity and order will manifest effortlessly as outer

purity and order.

-But, as long as we are not saints, it helps our concentration if we

meditate and recite in a place that is free from disorder and

distractions. To keep our environment pure even when our minds are

still in some disorder gives off a clear suggestion of what we want to

become. A dirty and uncared for environment can make us feel depressed

and inadequate, so if we clean up, chances are that we will feel much

better and consequently our recitation will be more focused and

joyous.

-As long as we are not saints, we find ourselves in dilemma's (should

I do the cleaning now or rather go to the shops to buy more things?)

and limitations (I can't bring myself to tackle the kitchen cupboard

right now). Then, if we just start reciting the Guru Gita in the midst

of the mess, this will draw us out of the dilemma and the limitations,

and redirect our energies. In fact, it will re-fuel us, so that, when

we have finished, we may find we do feel like making that kitchen

shine after all.

-Our Maa performs all actions; She shows us how to clean and if we are

reluctant or not thorough enough, She'll do the job for us.

 

 

At least, this is what I think. Now I'll go and take a long hard look

at my cupboards,

 

with love,

Henny

 

 

 

-- In , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati@y..

..> wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Chris,

>

>

>

> While I agree with your explanation, I think the verse is also

actually saying that by reciting in a confused place, one receives

confused fruit and in this sense is referring to our surroundings.

>

>

>

> In observng Gurujis, they always, at all times keep their areas of

worship clean and tidy. After every puja, Maa and Swamiji put away

their asans and all articles used in worship in a very tidy manner.

In many of the stories on Swamiji's journey to That place, there is

always reference to personal hygiene and preparation of the area and

utensils for worship.

>

>

>

> Once I visited the Mandir and after satsangha, Maa was sitting

talking to Her children and in making the point of keeping your

(generalizing here) surrounding clean for the invited guest, She said,

we all make the areas that can be seen tidy but what about where we

think others would not see? Are your cupboards tidy? The words echoed

in my mind like a bell, I sat up and held my head down at one go, for

I had arrived at the Mandir only the day before and prior to leaving

house, had cleaned from top to bottom of almost the entire house only

the food and bathroom cupboards were left for my return. Since then

I never, visit Maa without ensuring that my cupboards too are tidy.

>

>

>

> Journey to me in this sense also signifies the path, constant

repetition.

>

>

>

> Jai Maa!

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956> wrote:

>

> Kalia,

>

> For the longest time this verse made no sense whatsoever to me. On

the

> one hand, it says that by reciting in a confused place, one receives

> confused fruit, which seems straightforward until one gets to the

rest

> of the verse which describes three potentially confusing situations,

> and then says to recite in any limitation. The verse seems to

> contradict itself.

>

> Then I realized, as I discussed in my post on the previous verse,

that

> the confusion resides only in the reciter. No place is inherently

> confusing. Even the confusion of a battle is a fit place for

> recitation, without confusion.

>

> So, what this verse is really telling us is to cultivate

> nonattachment. View the world around you, and your circumstances,

with

> equanimity, and with a one-pointed mind, recite the Guru Gita.

Without

> purity of mind and intention, the recitation will not produce pure

fruit.

>

> Jai Maa!

> Chris

>

>

>

>

> , Kali Kali

> <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > 176. By performing recitation in a confused place, one attains the

> fruit of confused actions. Recite the Guru Gita in a journey, in a

> battle, in a dilemma, or any limitation.

> >

> > Here we are again being told to recite this song in all

cirmcumstances.

> >

> > Kalia

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henny_v_i <HvI (AT) SoftHome (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Kalia and Chris and all,thank you both for your interesting

comments on this verse. I like Chrisji's explanation that the

confusion is in our minds, that no place is inherently confusing, and

that the cultivation of mental purity is important. And I also see

Kalia's point (thank your for sharing Shree Maa's advice) about the

importance of order and tidyness in our physical surroundings.

Together you have shown me: -If our minds are full of dirt and

clutter, our houses will mirror this state. By cleaning our houses,

deciding what we no longer need and by washing away the accumulated

dust of times gone by, we are also cleaning our minds. By cleaning

also the inside of our cupboards, we are acknowledging that to

present a pretty picture for casual visitors is not enough. We are

saying that in our minds also, what is

hidden must be brought to light and cleaned. Or else something is

going to fall on our heads and hurt us the minute we inadvertedly

open the door. -If our minds are pure and free from disorder, our

environment will be so too; the inner purity and order will manifest

effortlessly as outer purity and order.-But, as long as we are not

saints, it helps our concentration if we meditate and recite in a

place that is free from disorder and distractions. To keep our

environment pure even when our minds are still in some disorder gives

off a clear suggestion of what we want to become. A dirty and uncared

for environment can make us feel depressed and inadequate, so if we

clean up, chances are that we will feel much better and consequently

our recitation will be more focused and joyous. -As long as we are

not saints, we find ourselves in dilemma's (should I do the cleaning

now or rather go to the shops to buy more things?)

and limitations (I can't bring myself to tackle the kitchen cupboard

right now). Then, if we just start reciting the Guru Gita in the

midst of the mess, this will draw us out of the dilemma and the

limitations, and redirect our energies. In fact, it will re-fuel us,

so that, when we have finished, we may find we do feel like making

that kitchen shine after all. -Our Maa performs all actions; She

shows us how to clean and if we are reluctant or not thorough enough,

She'll do the job for us.At least, this is what I think. Now I'll go

and take a long hard look at my cupboards,with love,Henny-- In

, Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati>

wrote:> > > > Dear Chris,> > > > While I agree with your

explanation, I think the verse is also actually saying that by

reciting in a confused place, one receives confused

fruit and in this sense is referring to our surroundings. > > > > In

observng Gurujis, they always, at all times keep their areas of

worship clean and tidy. After every puja, Maa and Swamiji put away

their asans and all articles used in worship in a very tidy manner.

In many of the stories on Swamiji's journey to That place, there is

always reference to personal hygiene and preparation of the area and

utensils for worship. > > > > Once I visited the Mandir and after

satsangha, Maa was sitting talking to Her children and in making the

point of keeping your (generalizing here) surrounding clean for the

invited guest, She said, we all make the areas that can be seen tidy

but what about where we think others would not see? Are your

cupboards tidy? The words echoed in my mind like a bell, I sat up and

held my head down at one go, for I had arrived

at the Mandir only the day before and prior to leaving house, had

cleaned from top to bottom of almost the entire house only the food

and bathroom cupboards were left for my return. Since then I never,

visit Maa without ensuring that my cupboards too are tidy.> > > >

Journey to me in this sense also signifies the path, constant

repetition.> > > > Jai Maa!> > > > Chris Kirner

<chriskirner1956> wrote:> > Kalia,> > For the longest time this

verse made no sense whatsoever to me. On the> one hand, it says that

by reciting in a confused place, one receives> confused fruit, which

seems straightforward until one gets to the rest> of the verse which

describes three potentially confusing situations,> and then says to

recite in any limitation. The verse seems to> contradict

itself.> > Then I realized, as I discussed in my post on the previous

verse, that> the confusion resides only in the reciter. No place is

inherently> confusing. Even the confusion of a battle is a fit place

for> recitation, without confusion.> > So, what this verse is really

telling us is to cultivate> nonattachment. View the world around you,

and your circumstances, with> equanimity, and with a one-pointed mind,

recite the Guru Gita. Without> purity of mind and intention, the

recitation will not produce pure fruit.> > Jai Maa!> Chris> > > > >

, Kali Kali>

<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:> > 176. By performing recitation

in a confused place, one attains the> fruit of confused actions.

Recite the Guru Gita in a journey, in a> battle, in a dilemma, or any

limitation.> > > > Here we are again being told to recite this song

in all cirmcumstances.> > > > Kalia> > > >

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Nothing quite like a good synthesis, Henny.

 

Mother and Swamiji do place a lot of emphasis on cleanliness and order

as part of the discipline of sadhana. In this area I'm afraid I need a

lot of work I think there is no question that one's environment

does mirror what's going on inside.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

, "henny_v_i" <HvI@S...> wrote:

> Dear Kalia and Chris and all,

>

> thank you both for your interesting comments on this verse. I like

> Chrisji's explanation that the confusion is in our minds, that no

> place is inherently confusing, and that the cultivation of mental

> purity is important. And I also see Kalia's point (thank your for

> sharing Shree Maa's advice) about the importance of order and tidyness

> in our physical surroundings.

>

> Together you have shown me:

> -If our minds are full of dirt and clutter, our houses will mirror

> this state. By cleaning our houses, deciding what we no longer need

> and by washing away the accumulated dust of times gone by, we are also

> cleaning our minds. By cleaning also the inside of our cupboards, we

> are acknowledging that to present a pretty picture for casual visitors

> is not enough. We are saying that in our minds also, what is hidden

> must be brought to light and cleaned. Or else something is going to

> fall on our heads and hurt us the minute we inadvertedly open the

> door.

> -If our minds are pure and free from disorder, our environment will be

> so too; the inner purity and order will manifest effortlessly as outer

> purity and order.

> -But, as long as we are not saints, it helps our concentration if we

> meditate and recite in a place that is free from disorder and

> distractions. To keep our environment pure even when our minds are

> still in some disorder gives off a clear suggestion of what we want to

> become. A dirty and uncared for environment can make us feel depressed

> and inadequate, so if we clean up, chances are that we will feel much

> better and consequently our recitation will be more focused and

> joyous.

> -As long as we are not saints, we find ourselves in dilemma's (should

> I do the cleaning now or rather go to the shops to buy more things?)

> and limitations (I can't bring myself to tackle the kitchen cupboard

> right now). Then, if we just start reciting the Guru Gita in the midst

> of the mess, this will draw us out of the dilemma and the limitations,

> and redirect our energies. In fact, it will re-fuel us, so that, when

> we have finished, we may find we do feel like making that kitchen

> shine after all.

> -Our Maa performs all actions; She shows us how to clean and if we are

> reluctant or not thorough enough, She'll do the job for us.

>

>

> At least, this is what I think. Now I'll go and take a long hard look

> at my cupboards,

>

> with love,

> Henny

>

>

>

> -- In , Kali Kali <kaliananda_saraswati@y..

> .> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Chris,

> >

> >

> >

> > While I agree with your explanation, I think the verse is also

> actually saying that by reciting in a confused place, one receives

> confused fruit and in this sense is referring to our surroundings.

> >

> >

> >

> > In observng Gurujis, they always, at all times keep their areas of

> worship clean and tidy. After every puja, Maa and Swamiji put away

> their asans and all articles used in worship in a very tidy manner.

> In many of the stories on Swamiji's journey to That place, there is

> always reference to personal hygiene and preparation of the area and

> utensils for worship.

> >

> >

> >

> > Once I visited the Mandir and after satsangha, Maa was sitting

> talking to Her children and in making the point of keeping your

> (generalizing here) surrounding clean for the invited guest, She said,

> we all make the areas that can be seen tidy but what about where we

> think others would not see? Are your cupboards tidy? The words echoed

> in my mind like a bell, I sat up and held my head down at one go, for

> I had arrived at the Mandir only the day before and prior to leaving

> house, had cleaned from top to bottom of almost the entire house only

> the food and bathroom cupboards were left for my return. Since then

> I never, visit Maa without ensuring that my cupboards too are tidy.

> >

> >

> >

> > Journey to me in this sense also signifies the path, constant

> repetition.

> >

> >

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> >

> >

> > Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> >

> > Kalia,

> >

> > For the longest time this verse made no sense whatsoever to me. On

> the

> > one hand, it says that by reciting in a confused place, one receives

> > confused fruit, which seems straightforward until one gets to the

> rest

> > of the verse which describes three potentially confusing situations,

> > and then says to recite in any limitation. The verse seems to

> > contradict itself.

> >

> > Then I realized, as I discussed in my post on the previous verse,

> that

> > the confusion resides only in the reciter. No place is inherently

> > confusing. Even the confusion of a battle is a fit place for

> > recitation, without confusion.

> >

> > So, what this verse is really telling us is to cultivate

> > nonattachment. View the world around you, and your circumstances,

> with

> > equanimity, and with a one-pointed mind, recite the Guru Gita.

> Without

> > purity of mind and intention, the recitation will not produce pure

> fruit.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Kali Kali

> > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > > 176. By performing recitation in a confused place, one attains the

> > fruit of confused actions. Recite the Guru Gita in a journey, in a

> > battle, in a dilemma, or any limitation.

> > >

> > > Here we are again being told to recite this song in all

> cirmcumstances.

> > >

> > > Kalia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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