Guru Gita verse 179 - The Highest Master does not speak the Guru Gita aloud

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Kalia,

 

I think what Kanda said is true. That which we hold most precious is

not lightly shared.

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

, Kali Kali

<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

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> 179. The highest master, Ganesa and other Gods, Visnu and others;

they keep this in their mind and do not speak it aloud to others. This

is true. This is true. Thus I have spoken.

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> Comment - Even the Gods keep this text sacred. (Thanks Kanda).

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> Any thoughts?

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> Kalia.

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Jai Guru !!!Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote:

Kalia,I think what Kanda said is true. That which we hold most

precious isnot lightly shared. Jai Maa!Chris--- In

, Kali Kali<kaliananda_saraswati>

wrote:> > 179. The highest master, Ganesa and other Gods, Visnu and

others;they keep this in their mind and do not speak it aloud to

others. Thisis true. This is true. Thus I have spoken. > > > >

Comment - Even the Gods keep this text sacred. (Thanks Kanda).> > Any

thoughts?> > Kalia.> > > >

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Also in addition to being so lucky to be getting this knowledge, I

think we must have aquired some merit, that allows the knowledge to

be made available to us. Mother would keep us from this knowledge

until we are ready to recieve it. As we continue to become more and

more pure, we will be able to recieve these teachings more and more.

Jai Guru !!!Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > wrote:

Kalia,I think what Kanda said is true. That which we hold most

precious isnot lightly shared. Jai Maa!Chris--- In

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wrote:> > 179. The highest master, Ganesa and other Gods, Visnu and

others;they keep this in their mind and do not speak it aloud to

others. Thisis true. This is true. Thus I have spoken. > > > >

Comment - Even the Gods keep this text sacred. (Thanks Kanda).> > Any

thoughts?> > Kalia.> > > >

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i have learned from swamiji not to speak of such things, and have kept

to that as much as possible. it is difficult to put into words "why."

i go on faith on this. i said, is it because the yogi knows everything

is vanity, and he said yes. to paraphrase.

 

, Kali Kali

<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> Dear Eric,

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> Thanks for your response. It reminds me of something Shree Maa said

regarding Her Guru. Maa said that (not these exact words) although

She was in constant contact with Ramakrishna, She never told others

including Her family because Ramakrishna promised that if She kept Her

experiences quiet, He would always remain with Her. It is also

mentioned in the book Before Becoming This.

>

> Matters of the heart are really quite sacred. The heart is the

residence of our Beloved.

>

> Jai Guru.

>

> ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us> wrote:

> OM NAMAH SIVAYA

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> i recall a quote from Neem Karoli Baba that says something like,

> never talk about your sadhana, wife, and money or they will leave

> you. Swami Satyananda of the Bihar School also says that it is

best

> to keep your relationship with God a secret. like lovers keeping

> their love affair a secret from others. it makes it more special.

> it prevents negative input in the form of jealousy, etc. from

others.

> maybe this is part of why this verse and verse 178 refer to secrecy.

>

> JAI MA

>

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> , Kali Kali

> <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

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> > 179. The highest master, Ganesa and other Gods, Visnu and others;

> they keep this in their mind and do not speak it aloud to others.

> This is true. This is true. Thus I have spoken.

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> > Comment - Even the Gods keep this text sacred. (Thanks Kanda).

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> > Any thoughts?

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> > Kalia.

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Steve Connor <sconnor (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

i have learned from swamiji not to speak of such things, and have

keptto that as much as possible. it is difficult to put into words

"why."i go on faith on this. i said, is it because the yogi knows

everythingis vanity, and he said yes. to paraphrase.--- In

, Kali Kali<kaliananda_saraswati>

wrote:> Dear Eric,> > Thanks for your response. It reminds me of

something Shree Maa saidregarding Her Guru. Maa said that (not these

exact words) althoughShe was in constant contact with Ramakrishna, She

never told othersincluding Her family because Ramakrishna promised

that if She kept Herexperiences quiet, He would always remain with

Her. It is alsomentioned in the book Before Becoming This. > >

Matters of the heart are really quite sacred.

The heart is theresidence of our Beloved.> > Jai Guru.> > ecjensen_us

<ecjensen_us> wrote:> OM NAMAH SIVAYA> > i recall a quote from

Neem Karoli Baba that says something like, > never talk about your

sadhana, wife, and money or they will leave > you. Swami Satyananda

of the Bihar School also says that it isbest > to keep your

relationship with God a secret. like lovers keeping > their love

affair a secret from others. it makes it more special. > it

prevents negative input in the form of jealousy, etc. fromothers.>

maybe this is part of why this verse and verse 178 refer to secrecy.>

> JAI MA > > > , Kali Kali >

<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:> > > > 179. The highest master,

Ganesa and other Gods, Visnu and others; > they keep this

in their mind and do not speak it aloud to others. > This is true.

This is true. Thus I have spoken. > > > > > > > > Comment - Even the

Gods keep this text sacred. (Thanks Kanda).> > > > Any thoughts?> > >

> Kalia.> > > > > > > >

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My belief is that the reason we shouldn't share such things is two-fold.

 

The least important reason, generally, is that special experiences may

contribute to the creation of envy and/or feelings of worthlessness in

other disciples, who wonder why they haven't had such an experience,

or may decide the experience is fabricated or imaginary. This applies

especially, I think, to initiations and special blessings from the

gurudeva.

 

The most important reason, I think, is that when we share it is often

because ego is involved, and when ego is successful in fully attaching

itself to a sacred experience, all the divinity goes from it.

 

I believe it is good to remain open to sharing these things when it

seems good to do so, to share a bhaava, or a particular insight, at a

particular time, with a particular person or group of people. But one

must carefully examine the motivation behind the sharing, and if there

is any sense that the sharing is attached to feelings or thoughts of

status, the desire to be perceived a certain way, any kind of feeling

of "I'm special", then it should not be shared at that time.

 

On the other hand, if the sharing feels like giving a blessing, or

sharing joy, or sharing something very special with someone you love,

and you don't feel it will create negative feelings in the others,

then why withhold?

 

I have, from time to time, shared what felt to me like very precious

experiences and realizations. Perhaps I was wrong to do so, but I

always felt blessed that I had something beautiful to give (of course,

I admit to keeping some too...).

 

Jai Maa!

Chris

 

 

 

 

, Kali Kali

<kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> i share your sentiments Steve. The only way that comes to mind to

explain it is that in sharing the experience, it is no longer scared,

the essence is lost.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

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> Steve Connor <sconnor@a...> wrote:

> i have learned from swamiji not to speak of such things, and have kept

> to that as much as possible. it is difficult to put into words "why."

> i go on faith on this. i said, is it because the yogi knows everything

> is vanity, and he said yes. to paraphrase.

>

> , Kali Kali

> <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

> > Dear Eric,

> >

> > Thanks for your response. It reminds me of something Shree Maa said

> regarding Her Guru. Maa said that (not these exact words) although

> She was in constant contact with Ramakrishna, She never told others

> including Her family because Ramakrishna promised that if She kept Her

> experiences quiet, He would always remain with Her. It is also

> mentioned in the book Before Becoming This.

> >

> > Matters of the heart are really quite sacred. The heart is the

> residence of our Beloved.

> >

> > Jai Guru.

> >

> > ecjensen_us <ecjensen_us> wrote:

> > OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> >

> > i recall a quote from Neem Karoli Baba that says something like,

> > never talk about your sadhana, wife, and money or they will leave

> > you. Swami Satyananda of the Bihar School also says that it is

> best

> > to keep your relationship with God a secret. like lovers keeping

> > their love affair a secret from others. it makes it more special.

> > it prevents negative input in the form of jealousy, etc. from

> others.

> > maybe this is part of why this verse and verse 178 refer to secrecy.

> >

> > JAI MA

> >

> >

> > , Kali Kali

> > <kaliananda_saraswati> wrote:

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> > > 179. The highest master, Ganesa and other Gods, Visnu and others;

> > they keep this in their mind and do not speak it aloud to others.

> > This is true. This is true. Thus I have spoken.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Comment - Even the Gods keep this text sacred. (Thanks Kanda).

> > >

> > > Any thoughts?

> > >

> > > Kalia.

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i think you put this well, chris. thank you.

 

Chris Kirner wrote:

>My belief is that the reason we shouldn't share such things is two-fold.

>

>The least important reason, generally, is that special experiences may

>contribute to the creation of envy and/or feelings of worthlessness in

>other disciples, who wonder why they haven't had such an experience,

>or may decide the experience is fabricated or imaginary. This applies

>especially, I think, to initiations and special blessings from the

>gurudeva.

>

>The most important reason, I think, is that when we share it is often

>because ego is involved, and when ego is successful in fully attaching

>itself to a sacred experience, all the divinity goes from it.

>

>I believe it is good to remain open to sharing these things when it

>seems good to do so, to share a bhaava, or a particular insight, at a

>particular time, with a particular person or group of people. But one

>must carefully examine the motivation behind the sharing, and if there

>is any sense that the sharing is attached to feelings or thoughts of

>status, the desire to be perceived a certain way, any kind of feeling

>of "I'm special", then it should not be shared at that time.

>

>On the other hand, if the sharing feels like giving a blessing, or

>sharing joy, or sharing something very special with someone you love,

>and you don't feel it will create negative feelings in the others,

>then why withhold?

>

>I have, from time to time, shared what felt to me like very precious

>experiences and realizations. Perhaps I was wrong to do so, but I

>always felt blessed that I had something beautiful to give (of course,

>I admit to keeping some too...).

>

>Jai Maa!

>Chris

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