just a moment to clarify ... -penance and tapas -Steve

[Guest guest]

Swami Sivananda used to say, "adjust, adapt, accommadate." i wonder

if that would be His definition of dynamic. also this baba, was his

Guru Bob Marley? you know,

 

We don't need no more trouble

Make love and not war! 'Cause we don't need no trouble.

What we need is love.

To guide and protect us on.

If you hope good down from above.

Help the weak if you are strong now.

 

MAA

 

, "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...>

wrote:

> wonderful; i read every word with interest.

>

> summed up in this one line: "You should become a dynamic Yogi."

>

> the baba i met over the weekend said much the same thing. he

wanted to

> leave his family, but his guru said NO. that causes more trouble.

now

> he is a dynamic yogi, traveling throughout the US with his wife,

> teaching.

>

> steve

>

> , "ecjensen_us"

<ecjensen_us>

> wrote:

> > OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> >

> > your comments here and yesterday talking about the sadhus holding

> an

> > arm up for 20 yrs., standing on one leg, etc. are certainly

> examples

> > of will and also a form of devotion. i read this yesterday from

> > Sivananda. i found it interesting and am passing along to the

group;

> >

> > HOW CAN I HAVE RAM'S DARSHAN?

> >

> > Sri. R.P. who has been placed in charge of the Publication

League,

> > felt a bit nervous and diffident about his capabilities. He felt

> that

> > was too much of a responsible position for him to occupy with

> success.

> > As Siva entered the Office, Sri R.P. caught his eye. `Ohji, don't

> be

> > afraid of the work. I have written to Sri Mohindra and if he

agrees

> we

> > shall employ him as the Manager of the League. You can also

assist

> him

> > and get yourself thoroughly trained by him.

> >

> > "Don't be afraid of work. Don't try to run away from it. You

have a

> > sweet voice: you have nicely developed the poetic faculties. You

> have

> > great devotion to the Lord also. Know that the best way to

attain

> the

> > Lord is through work and work alone. Go and remain in a cave for

> > twelve years without doing any work. Then come back and tell me

> > whether you have improved or degenerated. Work here ceaselessly:

> and

> > do one Mala of Japa. Find out for yourself which method helps

you

> > evolve more quickly in the spiritual path. Even if you remain in

a

> > cave for twelve years you cannot have Darshan of the Lord. But,

if

> you

> > serve selflessly, work and work ceaselessly, and in the intervals

> do

> > Japa of the Lord's name for some time daily, the Lord will at

once

> > come to you. When selfless service has purified your heart, even

> > before you finish the first Mala of Japa, the Lord will appear

> before

> > you."

> >

> > "You do not have the vision to see what a great and soul-

elevating

> > power this service has. If only you are able to see the actual

> change

> > in your heart that this service brings about, and if you are

> mentally

> > able to compare this with the change that cave-dwelling will

bring

> > about, then you will at once agree with me. It is lack of this

> > knowledge that makes you dread work. It is that which makes you

> feel

> > that work is waste of time and that God can be attained only

> through

> > parrot-like repetition of a Mantra."

> >

> > "Go and see the Sadhus who live an idle life. They have no care.

> They

> > have no responsibility. They will pretend that they have

attained a

> > very high stage when they ought to give up work. All that they

are

> > concerned about is their daily Bhiksha. They can get up at 9 a.m.

> and

> > prepared to go to the Kshetra. Come back, take the food and

sleep.

> > Wakeup again for Bhiksha. That is their life. Man's very nature

is

> > Tamasic. You have to conquer that through intense selfless

service.

> > Then Satva will supervene. It is this Tamas that prompts you

from

> > within to shirk work. It is Tamas that prompts you to go away and

> lead

> > an independent life. You are sure of free food from Kshetras.

This

> > free food system should be stopped altogether. It is this alone

> that

> > encourages man to revel in his Tamasic indulgence."

> >

> > "You should become a dynamic Yogi. Work alone will enable you to

> > control your mind, to banish evil thoughts from the mind and to

> purify

> > the heart. In a purified heart alone will the Lord reveal

Himself.

> > Look at me. There is 8 per cent sugar in my urine. I have so

many

> > other physical ailments. I cannot even stand for an hour at a

> stretch:

> > I feel giddy. Yet, I have been working till now. You have all

taken

> > your food. But, here I am still at my work. It will take two

hours

> for

> > me before I can take my food."

> >

> > "You are a good worker, no doubt. But, you feel diffident. That

> > diffidence you can conquer only when you take intense joy in

> service.

> > You should love to undertake responsible work. You wish to

realise

> > God: but can you for a moment think of God's Great

Responsibility?

> You

> > are afraid of this petty work. And, yet, you wish to realise Him

> Who

> > bears the burden of protecting and maintaining the whole

universe.

> You

> > think that work will interfere with your meditation. Read the

life

> of

> > any saint. You will find that he has practised and preached

> selfless

> > service. Everyone has worked till the very end of his life. Such

> > should be your attitude. Then and then alone can you have Darshan

> of

> > Lord Rama in a minute."

> >

> > JAI MAA

> >

> > , "Steve Connor"

<sconnor@a...>

> > wrote:

> > > re: penance ...

> > >

> > > the word does not have to mean, in the medieval sense, paying

for

> > > sins, or punishing oneself for sins. this definitely has a

> negative

> > > connotation.

> > >

> > > the word TAPAS has on occassion been translated as "penance."

> TAPAS

> > > itself can be translated different ways, basically, it is

> advanced,

> > > intense, practice of spiritual purification. some say, it is a

12

> > year

> > > process of sustained unbroken samadhi.

> > >

> > > sadhana good, punishing oneself, bad.

[Guest guest]

haha, no, his guru was shiva bala yogi.

 

peace

 

s

 

, "ecjensen_us" <ecjensen_us>

wrote:

> Swami Sivananda used to say, "adjust, adapt, accommadate." i

wonder

> if that would be His definition of dynamic. also this baba, was

his

> Guru Bob Marley? you know,

>

> We don't need no more trouble

> Make love and not war! 'Cause we don't need no trouble.

> What we need is love.

> To guide and protect us on.

> If you hope good down from above.

> Help the weak if you are strong now.

>

> MAA

>

> , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@a...>

> wrote:

> > wonderful; i read every word with interest.

> >

> > summed up in this one line: "You should become a dynamic Yogi."

> >

> > the baba i met over the weekend said much the same thing. he

> wanted to

> > leave his family, but his guru said NO. that causes more trouble.

> now

> > he is a dynamic yogi, traveling throughout the US with his wife,

> > teaching.

> >

> > steve

> >

> > , "ecjensen_us"

> <ecjensen_us>

> > wrote:

> > > OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> > >

> > > your comments here and yesterday talking about the sadhus

holding

> > an

> > > arm up for 20 yrs., standing on one leg, etc. are certainly

> > examples

> > > of will and also a form of devotion. i read this yesterday from

> > > Sivananda. i found it interesting and am passing along to the

> group;

> > >

> > > HOW CAN I HAVE RAM'S DARSHAN?

> > >

> > > Sri. R.P. who has been placed in charge of the Publication

> League,

> > > felt a bit nervous and diffident about his capabilities. He felt

> > that

> > > was too much of a responsible position for him to occupy with

> > success.

> > > As Siva entered the Office, Sri R.P. caught his eye. `Ohji,

don't

> > be

> > > afraid of the work. I have written to Sri Mohindra and if he

> agrees

> > we

> > > shall employ him as the Manager of the League. You can also

> assist

> > him

> > > and get yourself thoroughly trained by him.

> > >

> > > "Don't be afraid of work. Don't try to run away from it. You

> have a

> > > sweet voice: you have nicely developed the poetic faculties. You

> > have

> > > great devotion to the Lord also. Know that the best way to

> attain

> > the

> > > Lord is through work and work alone. Go and remain in a cave

for

> > > twelve years without doing any work. Then come back and tell me

> > > whether you have improved or degenerated. Work here ceaselessly:

> > and

> > > do one Mala of Japa. Find out for yourself which method helps

> you

> > > evolve more quickly in the spiritual path. Even if you remain

in

> a

> > > cave for twelve years you cannot have Darshan of the Lord. But,

> if

> > you

> > > serve selflessly, work and work ceaselessly, and in the

intervals

> > do

> > > Japa of the Lord's name for some time daily, the Lord will at

> once

> > > come to you. When selfless service has purified your heart,

even

> > > before you finish the first Mala of Japa, the Lord will appear

> > before

> > > you."

> > >

> > > "You do not have the vision to see what a great and soul-

> elevating

> > > power this service has. If only you are able to see the actual

> > change

> > > in your heart that this service brings about, and if you are

> > mentally

> > > able to compare this with the change that cave-dwelling will

> bring

> > > about, then you will at once agree with me. It is lack of this

> > > knowledge that makes you dread work. It is that which makes you

> > feel

> > > that work is waste of time and that God can be attained only

> > through

> > > parrot-like repetition of a Mantra."

> > >

> > > "Go and see the Sadhus who live an idle life. They have no care.

> > They

> > > have no responsibility. They will pretend that they have

> attained a

> > > very high stage when they ought to give up work. All that they

> are

> > > concerned about is their daily Bhiksha. They can get up at 9

a.m.

> > and

> > > prepared to go to the Kshetra. Come back, take the food and

> sleep.

> > > Wakeup again for Bhiksha. That is their life. Man's very nature

> is

> > > Tamasic. You have to conquer that through intense selfless

> service.

> > > Then Satva will supervene. It is this Tamas that prompts you

> from

> > > within to shirk work. It is Tamas that prompts you to go away

and

> > lead

> > > an independent life. You are sure of free food from Kshetras.

> This

> > > free food system should be stopped altogether. It is this alone

> > that

> > > encourages man to revel in his Tamasic indulgence."

> > >

> > > "You should become a dynamic Yogi. Work alone will enable you

to

> > > control your mind, to banish evil thoughts from the mind and to

> > purify

> > > the heart. In a purified heart alone will the Lord reveal

> Himself.

> > > Look at me. There is 8 per cent sugar in my urine. I have so

> many

> > > other physical ailments. I cannot even stand for an hour at a

> > stretch:

> > > I feel giddy. Yet, I have been working till now. You have all

> taken

> > > your food. But, here I am still at my work. It will take two

> hours

> > for

> > > me before I can take my food."

> > >

> > > "You are a good worker, no doubt. But, you feel diffident. That

> > > diffidence you can conquer only when you take intense joy in

> > service.

> > > You should love to undertake responsible work. You wish to

> realise

> > > God: but can you for a moment think of God's Great

> Responsibility?

> > You

> > > are afraid of this petty work. And, yet, you wish to realise Him

> > Who

> > > bears the burden of protecting and maintaining the whole

> universe.

> > You

> > > think that work will interfere with your meditation. Read the

> life

> > of

> > > any saint. You will find that he has practised and preached

> > selfless

> > > service. Everyone has worked till the very end of his life.

Such

> > > should be your attitude. Then and then alone can you have

Darshan

> > of

> > > Lord Rama in a minute."

> > >

> > > JAI MAA

> > >

> > > , "Steve Connor"

> <sconnor@a...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > re: penance ...

> > > >

> > > > the word does not have to mean, in the medieval sense, paying

> for

> > > > sins, or punishing oneself for sins. this definitely has a

> > negative

> > > > connotation.

> > > >

> > > > the word TAPAS has on occassion been translated as "penance."

> > TAPAS

> > > > itself can be translated different ways, basically, it is

> > advanced,

> > > > intense, practice of spiritual purification. some say, it is

a

> 12

> > > year

> > > > process of sustained unbroken samadhi.

> > > >

> > > > sadhana good, punishing oneself, bad.