Big money in the Babaji game

[Guest guest]

Dear Surya,

 

Sorry to misinterpret; I thought you were addressing me because you

structured your post, numbered 15,502, as a reply to my earlier post

(number 15,491). Having said that, kindly allow me to add:

 

1. I seek what helps me grow. If something helps me, I keep using it.

If it fails I drop it. I need not worship authors or teachers

(unless one of them turns out to be my guru), nor need I invalidate

the total life and work of those who displease me. I "take what I

need and leave the rest."

 

2. I thought the whole site was about sharing inner experience. I

don't expect you to "trust" my experience over your own judgment. If

my experience helps you, that is good. If it doesn't, I hope you will

move on. In this spirit I grant everyone a simple courtesy: to view

their inner experience as valid for them. One can't prove or disprove

anyone's inner experience; one CAN treat everyone with love.

 

 

Shaktiprasad

 

 

Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote:

Dear Shaktiprasad,

 

I was certainly not addressing you directly. Especially regarding

profit.

Why would you be so defensive about this? I am sorry if my post

offended

you in any way, as that was not my intention whatsoever.

 

My first post probably would have angered you more. It was not

cleared thru

by the moderator. That is fine with me. I stated that both Yogi

Ramiah and

his disciple, Marshall Govindam, who later left him because his guru

stole

his wife (amongst other reasons) are highly suspect to say the least.

Add

money to the mix and there you are.

 

But my question was about the Babaji that initiated Lahiri Mahasay and

Swamiji's experience regarding this. It was not to hear about your

personal

inner experiences, which I have to state straightforwardly, are not

something concrete that I can trust as fact. Same goes for anything

you may

have learned from either Yogi Ramiah or M. Govindam, either directly

or

through books. Same for any other books out there on the subject.

Sorry

but that is the truth as I see it. You don't have to agree. I know

both of

them personally and I also know other very serious, advanced and

secretive

Kriya Yogis from non SRF lines stemming directly from Lahiri Mahasaya.

There is a world of difference.

-

"shaktiprasad1"

"Mahamuni"

Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:41 PM

Big money in the Babaji game

 

 

Dear Surya,

I was writing from my own direct experience (six years as a Kriya Yoga

initiate, seven other years of daily meditation practice before that

and two pilgrimages to India, for what that may or may not be worth)

not from a book. I am not authorized to teach -- nor do I pretend to

be -- and do not expect to make money or gain in any way from my

posts.

 

As a newbie here, your comment has made me more than a little gunshy.

You can say that you only wanted to hear from Swamiji, I understand

that. But to accuse me of writing from second hand information -- let

alone trying to profit in some unethical way -- that was uncalled for

and totally unacceptable to me. You had no call for such a public

accusation and you should know that.

 

Shaktiprasad

[Guest guest]

Dear Shaktiprasad,

Yes I agree. But I never treated you good or bad. I didn't address

you specifically at all. It is common in forums to just respond to

the last post in a thread as a way of making a comment.

Taking what works for you is the name of the game. But IMHO, this is

not as easy a task as it may seem.

Pranams,

Surya

-

shaktiprasad1

Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:00 AM

Big money in the Babaji game

Dear Surya, Sorry to misinterpret; I thought you were addressing me

because you structured your post, numbered 15,502, as a reply to my

earlier post (number 15,491). Having said that, kindly allow me to

add:1. I seek what helps me grow. If something helps me, I keep using

it. If it fails I drop it. I need not worship authors or teachers

(unless one of them turns out to be my guru), nor need I invalidate

the total life and work of those who displease me. I "take what I

need and leave the rest."2. I thought the whole site was about

sharing inner experience. I don't expect you to "trust" my experience

over your own judgment. If my experience helps you, that is good. If

it doesn't, I hope you will move on. In this spirit I grant everyone

a simple courtesy: to view their inner experience as valid for them.

One can't prove or disprove anyone's inner experience; one CAN treat

everyone with love.ShaktiprasadMahamuni <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:Dear

Shaktiprasad,I was certainly not addressing you directly. Especially

regarding profit.Why would you be so defensive about this? I am sorry

if my post offendedyou in any way, as that was not my intention

whatsoever.My first post probably would have angered you more. It was

not cleared thruby the moderator. That is fine with me. I stated that

both Yogi Ramiah andhis disciple, Marshall Govindam, who later left

him because his guru stolehis wife (amongst other reasons) are highly

suspect to say the least. Addmoney to the mix and there you are.But my

question was about the Babaji that initiated Lahiri Mahasay

andSwamiji's experience regarding this. It was not to hear about your

personalinner experiences, which I have to state straightforwardly,

are notsomething concrete that I can trust as fact. Same goes for

anything you mayhave learned from either Yogi Ramiah or M. Govindam,

either directly orthrough books. Same for any other books out there

on the subject. Sorrybut that is the truth as I see it. You don't

have to agree. I know both ofthem personally and I also know other

very serious, advanced and secretiveKriya Yogis from non SRF lines

stemming directly from Lahiri Mahasaya.There is a world of

difference.- "shaktiprasad1" To:

"Mahamuni" Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:41 PMBig money

in the Babaji gameDear Surya,I was writing from my own direct

experience (six years as a Kriya Yogainitiate, seven other years of

daily meditation practice before thatand two pilgrimages to India,

for what that may or may not be worth)not from a book. I am not

authorized to teach -- nor do I pretend tobe -- and do not expect to

make money or gain in any way from myposts.As a newbie here, your

comment has made me more than a little gunshy.You can say that you

only wanted to hear from Swamiji, I understandthat. But to accuse me

of writing from second hand information -- letalone trying to profit

in some unethical way -- that was uncalled forand totally

unacceptable to me. You had no call for such a publicaccusation and

you should know that.Shaktiprasad