Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 meaning of money is love; money is love." These were things I hadn't learned in school, so I had to think about them for a while. I am still thinking about them, even as times have become much better financially. I believe there is truth in these statements. I also believe that they are needed now. The world is on fire. Millions and millions of people are living is the upmost material want. And at least that many are suffering from emotional poverty: lovelessness, hopelessness and despair. If I were bold enough to follow the advice of my friend the old man, and I felt a profound lack, either material of emotional, I would take what I had, or could borrow, and I would start giving it away to others who had even less than I. The scriptures say that God dwells in our hearts, and that God is Infinite, Unconditional Love. Many of us have tried all of our lives to get love--- through meditation, prayer, and worship. I don't know how many of us have tried to just give love, without even caring whether it comes back to us or not. Maybe that is the secret; maybe that is what the world is waiting for. Maybe that would put out the fire. All we can do is to make the experiment. With deep affection, Tanmaya It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the Potomac". Find your next car at Canada Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Namaste, That was so beautiful and deeply moving. Thank you for sharing this, Tanmaya. ty_maa wrote: > Dear Linda, > > This reply is to you, but I want to address it also to the group at > large because I believe it contains something of general value that > others may profit from as well. Your sorrows are real, and they > touched me deeply. And they reminded me of a great lession that I > learned from an old man whom I knew briefly, shortly before he died. <snipped> -- "Naan Amme Snehikkunnu" Be Love, Egyirba http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... You become the person your are striving to become. You can see the progress. You can watch yourself and begin to like yourself a little bit more each time you cut a bond. You feel a little bit more independence, a greater freedom every time you put aside one of those bonds of attachment. --from The Guru and the Goddess. Copyright 1995, 1998 Devi Mandir Publications. Third Edition. www.shreemaa.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Dear Bill, Its true that it can take a long time to understand the principles involved in unfamiliar metaphysical truths, but it can take little or no time to apply them and get an immediate result. It can take a while to understand how the molectular structure of a medicine impacts on the body to have the healing result it does, but very little to take the medicine and get the benefit. What it does take is faith, and the courage to experiment. The subject is larger than the immediate context. People have been reciting the litany of "it takes a long time" for a long time, and my observation has been that it is usually a euphemism for "yes, but---". Saint Agustine used to pray as a young man in old Carthage, "Lord, give me celibacy---but not yet". Personally, I don't believe that we have a long time anymore. The world is on fire, and the fire is speading rapidly. Its the perfect time for us all to now apply what we have all known for a long time. I don't think that I would want it to be any other way; some people like to live on an earthquake fault because its very hard to go to sleep there. Its time for the spiritual heros to wake up show what can indeed be done when one has faith in one's heart and courage in ones acts. As Swami Vivekananda repeated so often, "Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached". Yours in the Lord, Tanmaya , Bill Smith <biggerblat> wrote: > > Yes. Put very simply, "If you want love, you have to give it away." This holds true of everything in life, but it takes a very long time to realize it. > > Bill > > ty_maa <ds.james@c...> wrote: > Dear Linda, > > This reply is to you, but I want to address it also to the group at > large because I believe it contains something of general value that > others may profit from as well. Your sorrows are real, and they > touched me deeply. And they reminded me of a great lession that I > learned from an old man whom I knew briefly, shortly before he died. > > The gentleman I'm speaking of was born in New York, and while he was > still in his teens he had a spontaneous spiritual awakening. The > Indian saint Paramahamsa Yogananda was working in the U.S. at that > time, and somehow the boy found his way to him. Yogananda sent him to > the great South Indian jnani Ramama Maharshi. The Maharishi told him > that he had had the highest possible spiritual realization and that > there was nothing else he could teach him. The boy stayed at > Maharshi's ashram for a time, and then made his way back to the U.S. > where he lived a very simple and unassuming life. > > Brahmajnanis are supposed to be unconcerned with the relative world, > but I found this man to be profoundly compassionate. At that time, I > was at the bottom of the economic ladder; I was living on food stamps > to survive, and prospects were zero. One day the old man said, "If > someone is in financial need, the most effective thing he can do to > get out of it is to borrow some money from someone, and then give it > all away to others who are in even greater need than himself". > Another thing he said was, "The real meaning of money is love; money > is love." > > These were things I hadn't learned in school, so I had to think about > them for a while. I am still thinking about them, even as times have > become much better financially. > > I believe there is truth in these statements. I also believe that > they are needed now. The world is on fire. Millions and millions of > people are living is the upmost material want. And at least that many > are suffering from emotional poverty: lovelessness, hopelessness and > despair. > > If I were bold enough to follow the advice of my friend the old man, > and I felt a profound lack, either material of emotional, I would take > what I had, or could borrow, and I would start giving it away to > others who had even less than I. > > The scriptures say that God dwells in our hearts, and that God is > Infinite, Unconditional Love. Many of us have tried all of our lives > to get love--- through meditation, prayer, and worship. I don't know > how many of us have tried to just give love, without even caring > whether it comes back to us or not. Maybe that is the secret; maybe > that is what the world is waiting for. Maybe that would put out the > fire. > > All we can do is to make the experiment. > > With deep affection, > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the Potomac". > > > Find your next car at Canada Autos > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 "yes, but---". Saint Agustine used to pray as a young man in old Carthage, "Lord, give me celibacy---but not yet". Personally, I don't believe that we have a long time anymore. The world is on fire, and the fire is speading rapidly. Its the perfect time for us all to now apply what we have all known for a long time. I don't think that I would want it to be any other way; some people like to live on an earthquake fault because its very hard to go to sleep there. Its time for the spiritual heros to wake up show what can indeed be done when one has faith in one's heart and courage in ones acts. As Swami Vivekananda repeated so often, "Arise, awake, and stop not till the goal is reached". Yours in the Lord, Tanmaya , Bill Smith <biggerblat> wrote: > > Yes. Put very simply, "If you want love, you have to give it away." This holds true of everything in life, but it takes a very long time to realize it. > > Bill > > ty_maa <ds.james@c...> wrote: > Dear Linda, > > This reply is to you, but I want to address it also to the group at > large because I believe it contains something of general value that > others may profit from as well. Your sorrows are real, and they > touched me deeply. And they reminded me of a great lession that I > learned from an old man whom I knew briefly, shortly before he died. > > The gentleman I'm speaking of was born in New York, and while he was > still in his teens he had a spontaneous spiritual awakening. The > Indian saint Paramahamsa Yogananda was working in the U.S. at that > time, and somehow the boy found his way to him. Yogananda sent him to > the great South Indian jnani Ramama Maharshi. The Maharishi told him > that he had had the highest possible spiritual realization and that > there was nothing else he could teach him. The boy stayed at > Maharshi's ashram for a time, and then made his way back to the U.S. > where he lived a very simple and unassuming life. > > Brahmajnanis are supposed to be unconcerned with the relative world, > but I found this man to be profoundly compassionate. At that time, I > was at the bottom of the economic ladder; I was living on food stamps > to survive, and prospects were zero. One day the old man said, "If > someone is in financial need, the most effective thing he can do to > get out of it is to borrow some money from someone, and then give it > all away to others who are in even greater need than himself". > Another thing he said was, "The real meaning of money is love; money > is love." > > These were things I hadn't learned in school, so I had to think about > them for a while. I am still thinking about them, even as times have > become much better financially. > > I believe there is truth in these statements. I also believe that > they are needed now. The world is on fire. Millions and millions of > people are living is the upmost material want. And at least that many > are suffering from emotional poverty: lovelessness, hopelessness and > despair. > > If I were bold enough to follow the advice of my friend the old man, > and I felt a profound lack, either material of emotional, I would take > what I had, or could borrow, and I would start giving it away to > others who had even less than I. > > The scriptures say that God dwells in our hearts, and that God is > Infinite, Unconditional Love. Many of us have tried all of our lives > to get love--- through meditation, prayer, and worship. I don't know > how many of us have tried to just give love, without even caring > whether it comes back to us or not. Maybe that is the secret; maybe > that is what the world is waiting for. Maybe that would put out the > fire. > > All we can do is to make the experiment. > > With deep affection, > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the Potomac". > > > Find your next car at Canada Autos > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the Potomac". Find your next car at Canada Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Dear Bill, Thanks for the clarification, I stand corrected. I'm finding that e-mail is a very inadaquate means of communication. The unknowns are almost the whole of it. I do much better speaking to another in person. By the way, its great to meet you on line, even with its limitations. I'm unclear about your earlier note describing your truly heroic rise out a dark corner of maya. What I do not understand is your reference to the attempt to redeem others being a mistake, on the one hand, and your sincerity, sensitivity, and obvious aptitude for doing just that on the other. I would be grateful if you would unconfuse me on this seeming contradiction. Sincerely, Tanmaya , Bill Smith <biggerblat> wrote: > > I was referring to the understanding of the principles. > > ty_maa <ds.james@c...> wrote: > Dear Bill, > > Its true that it can take a long time to understand the principles > involved in unfamiliar metaphysical truths, but it can take little or > no time to apply them and get an immediate result. It can take a > while to understand how the molectular structure of a medicine impacts > on the body to have the healing result it does, but very little to > take the medicine and get the benefit. What it does take is faith, > and the courage to experiment. > > The subject is larger than the immediate context. People have been > reciting the litany of "it takes a long time" for a long time, and my > observation has been that it is usually a euphemism for "yes, but---". > Saint Agustine used to pray as a young man in old Carthage, "Lord, > give me celibacy---but not yet". > > Personally, I don't believe that we have a long time anymore. The > world is on fire, and the fire is speading rapidly. Its the perfect > time for us all to now apply what we have all known for a long time. > > I don't think that I would want it to be any other way; some people > like to live on an earthquake fault because its very hard to go to > sleep there. Its time for the spiritual heros to wake up show what can > indeed be done when one has faith in one's heart and courage in ones > acts. > > As Swami Vivekananda repeated so often, "Arise, awake, and stop not > till the goal is reached". > > Yours in the Lord, > > Tanmaya > > > , Bill Smith <biggerblat> wrote: > > > > Yes. Put very simply, "If you want love, you have to give it away." > This holds true of everything in life, but it takes a very long time > to realize it. > > > > Bill > > > > ty_maa <ds.james@c...> wrote: > > Dear Linda, > > > > This reply is to you, but I want to address it also to the group at > > large because I believe it contains something of general value that > > others may profit from as well. Your sorrows are real, and they > > touched me deeply. And they reminded me of a great lession that I > > learned from an old man whom I knew briefly, shortly before he died. > > > > The gentleman I'm speaking of was born in New York, and while he was > > still in his teens he had a spontaneous spiritual awakening. The > > Indian saint Paramahamsa Yogananda was working in the U.S. at that > > time, and somehow the boy found his way to him. Yogananda sent him to > > the great South Indian jnani Ramama Maharshi. The Maharishi told him > > that he had had the highest possible spiritual realization and that > > there was nothing else he could teach him. The boy stayed at > > Maharshi's ashram for a time, and then made his way back to the U.S. > > where he lived a very simple and unassuming life. > > > > Brahmajnanis are supposed to be unconcerned with the relative world, > > but I found this man to be profoundly compassionate. At that time, I > > was at the bottom of the economic ladder; I was living on food stamps > > to survive, and prospects were zero. One day the old man said, "If > > someone is in financial need, the most effective thing he can do to > > get out of it is to borrow some money from someone, and then give it > > all away to others who are in even greater need than himself". > > Another thing he said was, "The real meaning of money is love; money > > is love." > > > > These were things I hadn't learned in school, so I had to think about > > them for a while. I am still thinking about them, even as times have > > become much better financially. > > > > I believe there is truth in these statements. I also believe that > > they are needed now. The world is on fire. Millions and millions of > > people are living is the upmost material want. And at least that many > > are suffering from emotional poverty: lovelessness, hopelessness and > > despair. > > > > If I were bold enough to follow the advice of my friend the old man, > > and I felt a profound lack, either material of emotional, I would take > > what I had, or could borrow, and I would start giving it away to > > others who had even less than I. > > > > The scriptures say that God dwells in our hearts, and that God is > > Infinite, Unconditional Love. Many of us have tried all of our lives > > to get love--- through meditation, prayer, and worship. I don't know > > how many of us have tried to just give love, without even caring > > whether it comes back to us or not. Maybe that is the secret; maybe > > that is what the world is waiting for. Maybe that would put out the > > fire. > > > > All we can do is to make the experiment. > > > > With deep affection, > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the > Potomac". > > > > > > Find your next car at Canada Autos > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the Potomac". > > > Find your next car at Canada Autos > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 other. I would be grateful if you would unconfuse me on this seeming contradiction. Sincerely, Tanmaya --- In , Bill Smith <biggerblat> wrote: > > I was referring to the understanding of the principles. > > ty_maa <ds.james@c...> wrote: > Dear Bill, > > Its true that it can take a long time to understand the principles > involved in unfamiliar metaphysical truths, but it can take little or > no time to apply them and get an immediate result. It can take a > while to understand how the molectular structure of a medicine impacts > on the body to have the healing result it does, but very little to > take the medicine and get the benefit. What it does take is faith, > and the courage to experiment. > > The subject is larger than the immediate context. People have been > reciting the litany of "it takes a long time" for a long time, and my > observation has been that it is usually a euphemism for "yes, but---". > Saint Agustine used to pray as a young man in old Carthage, "Lord, > give me celibacy---but not yet". > > Personally, I don't believe that we have a long time anymore. The > world is on fire, and the fire is speading rapidly. Its the perfect > time for us all to now apply what we have all known for a long time. > > I don't think that I would want it to be any other way; some people > like to live on an earthquake fault because its very hard to go to > sleep there. Its time for the spiritual heros to wake up show what can > indeed be done when one has faith in one's heart and courage in ones > acts. > > As Swami Vivekananda repeated so often, "Arise, awake, and stop not > till the goal is reached". > > Yours in the Lord, > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > , Bill Smith <biggerblat> wrote: > > > > Yes. Put very simply, "If you want love, you have to give it away." > This holds true of everything in life, but it takes a very long time > to realize it. > > > > Bill > > > > ty_maa <ds.james@c...> wrote: > > Dear Linda, > > > > This reply is to you, but I want to address it also to the group at > > large because I believe it contains something of general value that > > others may profit from as well. Your sorrows are real, and they > > touched me deeply. And they reminded me of a great lession that I > > learned from an old man whom I knew briefly, shortly before he died. > > > > The gentleman I'm speaking of was born in New York, and while he was > > still in his teens he had a spontaneous spiritual awakening. The > > Indian saint Paramahamsa Yogananda was working in the U.S. at that > > time, and somehow the boy found his way to him. Yogananda sent him to > > the great South Indian jnani Ramama Maharshi. The Maharishi told him > > that he had had the highest possible spiritual realization and that > > there was nothing else he could teach him. The boy stayed at > > Maharshi's ashram for a time, and then made his way back to the U.S. > > where he lived a very simple and unassuming life. > > > > Brahmajnanis are supposed to be unconcerned with the relative world, > > but I found this man to be profoundly compassionate. At that time, I > > was at the bottom of the economic ladder; I was living on food stamps > > to survive, and prospects were zero. One day the old man said, "If > > someone is in financial need, the most effective thing he can do to > > get out of it is to borrow some money from someone, and then give it > > all away to others who are in even greater need than himself". > > Another thing he said was, "The real meaning of money is love; money > > is love." > > > > These were things I hadn't learned in school, so I had to think about > > them for a while. I am still thinking about them, even as times have > > become much better financially. > > > > I believe there is truth in these statements. I also believe that > > they are needed now. The world is on fire. Millions and millions of > > people are living is the upmost material want. And at least that many > > are suffering from emotional poverty: lovelessness, hopelessness and > > despair. > > > > If I were bold enough to follow the advice of my friend the old man, > > and I felt a profound lack, either material of emotional, I would take > > what I had, or could borrow, and I would start giving it away to > > others who had even less than I. > > > > The scriptures say that God dwells in our hearts, and that God is > > Infinite, Unconditional Love. Many of us have tried all of our lives > > to get love--- through meditation, prayer, and worship. I don't know > > how many of us have tried to just give love, without even caring > > whether it comes back to us or not. Maybe that is the secret; maybe > > that is what the world is waiting for. Maybe that would put out the > > fire. > > > > All we can do is to make the experiment. > > > > With deep affection, > > > > Tanmaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the > Potomac". > > > > > > Find your next car at Canada Autos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the Potomac". > > > Find your next car at Canada Autos > It is no longer "morning in America", now it's "Twilight on the Potomac". 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