RE: emotional life of spiritual being.

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>>"thanks for adding, very nice thoughts.

 

recently i failed to do my sadhana for a day after not missing 1 hour

for a year. i sort of internally imploded due to lack of

sleep and overwork trying to be several people at once. how does one

have the fullness of experience and love for all beings from deep

within lacking any fear or resistance like a true saint, or am i only

idealizing such a being and such a possibility? should i ignore this

worry or take it as a deeper prompting to advance internally in a way

previously unknown to myself? is it inapporpriate or appropriate to

contemplate one's own shortcomings in this manner? many ways of

asking

this one question, i hope this come across with some sense."<<

 

Dear Steve,

I know Swamiji will answer this question in one short, clear and

direct sentence, cutting through all confusion...but I would like to

add my thoughts, although I am most definitely still in the stage

of "imperfect being peeling off the layers". I think that anytime we

try to impose something from outside, no matter how lofty our goals,

there is a sense of separation...There is the "ideal" (whether it's

becoming a "saint" or simply a better person) and there is

the "reality" (of where we are right now in our bodies, minds,

emotions and feelings). We are striving towards something "out

there", an ideal and sometimes we forget that we are already

that "ideal" within ourselves; it simply needs to be "uncovered",

not drummed into us. In addition, we don't notice, alot of times,

the very real changes that have happened because we are fixed on the

ideal (i.e. "sainthood"). I think it was Linda who was writing

yesterday about how her sadhana had quietly "crept up on her" while

she was focused on what she was still unable to do. Suddenly, she

realized that she was doing things that she could never have

imagined even a year ago, in terms of her spiritual practices.

The part of us that sits outside and judges our lack of effort or

our shortcomings is nothing but our ego, really..just as the part of

us that takes great pride in what we accomplish (whether it's how

many malas we have done or how great our pronunciation is)is simply

the other face of ego. It's really hard, sometimes, to untangle all

of this...just when does will become ego? just when does judging

yourself for falling short of an ideal outside yourself become

fruitless? Swamiji and Maa are examples of living in that state

where inner and outer are not separate but One , something we are

all working towards. The only way you can have the "fullness of love

for all beings from deep within lacking any fear or resistance" is

to have that fullness of love and fearlessnes, first, for yourself,

within yourself. This is one of the most difficult things in

sadhana..to have compassion, forgiveness and good will towards your

own small Self.

 

with love to you (you are a great being, steve)

sadhvi

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yes, true, very well said sadhvi. thank you for helping me ...

 

steve

 

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi wrote:

>

> >>"thanks for adding, very nice thoughts.

>

> recently i failed to do my sadhana for a day after not missing 1 hour

> for a year. i sort of internally imploded due to lack of

> sleep and overwork trying to be several people at once. how does one

> have the fullness of experience and love for all beings from deep

> within lacking any fear or resistance like a true saint, or am i only

> idealizing such a being and such a possibility? should i ignore this

> worry or take it as a deeper prompting to advance internally in a way

> previously unknown to myself? is it inapporpriate or appropriate to

> contemplate one's own shortcomings in this manner? many ways of

> asking

> this one question, i hope this come across with some sense."<<

>

> Dear Steve,

> I know Swamiji will answer this question in one short, clear and

> direct sentence, cutting through all confusion...but I would like to

> add my thoughts, although I am most definitely still in the stage

> of "imperfect being peeling off the layers". I think that anytime we

> try to impose something from outside, no matter how lofty our goals,

> there is a sense of separation...There is the "ideal" (whether it's

> becoming a "saint" or simply a better person) and there is

> the "reality" (of where we are right now in our bodies, minds,

> emotions and feelings). We are striving towards something "out

> there", an ideal and sometimes we forget that we are already

> that "ideal" within ourselves; it simply needs to be "uncovered",

> not drummed into us. In addition, we don't notice, alot of times,

> the very real changes that have happened because we are fixed on the

> ideal (i.e. "sainthood"). I think it was Linda who was writing

> yesterday about how her sadhana had quietly "crept up on her" while

> she was focused on what she was still unable to do. Suddenly, she

> realized that she was doing things that she could never have

> imagined even a year ago, in terms of her spiritual practices.

> The part of us that sits outside and judges our lack of effort or

> our shortcomings is nothing but our ego, really..just as the part of

> us that takes great pride in what we accomplish (whether it's how

> many malas we have done or how great our pronunciation is)is simply

> the other face of ego. It's really hard, sometimes, to untangle all

> of this...just when does will become ego? just when does judging

> yourself for falling short of an ideal outside yourself become

> fruitless? Swamiji and Maa are examples of living in that state

> where inner and outer are not separate but One , something we are

> all working towards. The only way you can have the "fullness of love

> for all beings from deep within lacking any fear or resistance" is

> to have that fullness of love and fearlessnes, first, for yourself,

> within yourself. This is one of the most difficult things in

> sadhana..to have compassion, forgiveness and good will towards your

> own small Self.

>

> with love to you (you are a great being, steve)

> sadhvi

>

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dont fight with anybody else . By nature , everbody is Sat(Truth) ,

Chit (consicousness) , Anand( bliss) , but what happend is priests ,

father , mather , teachers , society etc all burdened our mind with

lots of tought chains ( conditioning) and made us something else .

If you see and obsreve ur own mind , there will be thousand and one

people sitting in mind and giving their opininons. You will not see

ur own face there. May be grand grand father who has died but still

exists in ur mind adn giving opinons. I would like say that there

is nothing to learn. We need to start unlearning the stuff and when

unlearning is complete , back we are to our natural state ( Joy).

Just joy is our original state . Celebrate Lokesh H Steve Connor

<sconnor (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote: yes, true, very well said sadhvi. thank

you for helping me ...steve,

"nityashakti" <sadhvi wrote:>> >>"thanks for adding, very nice

thoughts.> > recently i failed to do my sadhana for a day after not

missing 1 hour> for a year. i sort of internally imploded due to lack

of> sleep and overwork trying to be several people at once. how does

one> have the fullness of experience and love for all beings from

deep> within lacking any fear or resistance like a true saint, or am

i only> idealizing such a being and such a possibility? should i

ignore this> worry or take it as a deeper prompting to advance

internally in a way> previously unknown to myself? is it

inapporpriate or appropriate

to> contemplate one's own shortcomings in this manner? many ways of >

asking> this one question, i hope this come across with some

sense."<<> > Dear Steve,> I know Swamiji will answer this question

in one short, clear and > direct sentence, cutting through all

confusion...but I would like to > add my thoughts, although I am most

definitely still in the stage > of "imperfect being peeling off the

layers". I think that anytime we > try to impose something from

outside, no matter how lofty our goals, > there is a sense of

separation...There is the "ideal" (whether it's > becoming a "saint"

or simply a better person) and there is > the "reality" (of where we

are right now in our bodies, minds, > emotions and feelings). We are

striving towards something "out > there", an ideal and sometimes we

forget that we are already > that "ideal" within ourselves; it

simply needs to be "uncovered", > not drummed into us. In addition, we

don't notice, alot of times, > the very real changes that have

happened because we are fixed on the > ideal (i.e. "sainthood"). I

think it was Linda who was writing > yesterday about how her sadhana

had quietly "crept up on her" while > she was focused on what she was

still unable to do. Suddenly, she > realized that she was doing things

that she could never have > imagined even a year ago, in terms of her

spiritual practices.> The part of us that sits outside and judges

our lack of effort or > our shortcomings is nothing but our ego,

really..just as the part of > us that takes great pride in what we

accomplish (whether it's how > many malas we have done or how great

our pronunciation is)is simply > the other face of ego. It's really

hard, sometimes, to untangle all > of this...just when does will

become ego?

just when does judging > yourself for falling short of an ideal

outside yourself become > fruitless? Swamiji and Maa are examples of

living in that state > where inner and outer are not separate but One

, something we are > all working towards. The only way you can have

the "fullness of love > for all beings from deep within lacking any

fear or resistance" is > to have that fullness of love and

fearlessnes, first, for yourself, > within yourself. This is one of

the most difficult things in > sadhana..to have compassion,

forgiveness and good will towards your > own small Self.> > with love

to you (you are a great being, steve)> sadhvi>

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reason is , past will not help present. so there is a split in ur

basic nature. Just be responsive to the life and dont react. This

makes u flow with the life . so you become dynamic and hence life

will be a great joy. If you observe the most knowledgable person,

he/she feels that life is meaningless etc . The reason is he reacts

through past , but life is present. Life doesnt adjust to your

conculsions . so u get frustrated. Go from mind to no-mind. Be like

a mirror . Reflect everything totally. Lets all help each other to

get enlightened . forall10q (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: The entire post by

Lokesh made me smile. Like Sadhvi, I read the post first thing this

morning and it has echoed through my day. I wasn't going to reply

because I worry about the clanging of the sound of my own voice and

not really having anything to offer. And then I thought, "Oh, so

what. Lokesh made me very happy and I just want to say Thanks! I

was going to quote parts of the post that I liked best until I

realized that I loved it all too much to pick and choose, so here is

the whole thing again. ) Lokesh: If we observe nature For

example : pine tree and rose tree exists without clashes of ego. Pine

tree doesn't say I'm taller than you. Rose tree doesn't say I have

beautiful flowers. Everything exists so ordinary and so unique .

Only humans want to be extra-ordinary and that is so ordinary because

everybody does the same. So , being ordinary is the most

extra-ordinary thing possible. Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, etc. were just

ordinary people. But it was extra-ordinary to the common people

because they were all striving to become something else. Just

accept the fact that you and me and all of them are just

ordinary , unique and special in its own way . There is no one to

compete , fight , show etc.. Clouds , lotus , trees , sea , sun etc

just exists as ordinary things and don't fight with anybody else .

By nature , everybody is Sat (Truth) , Chit (consciousness) , Anand (

bliss) , but what happened is priests , father , mother , teachers ,

society etc all burdened our mind with lots of taught chains (

conditioning) and made us something else . If you see and observe

your own mind , there will be thousand and one people sitting in mind

and giving their opinions. You will not see your own face there. May

be grand grandfather who has died but still exists in your mind and

giving opinions. I would like say that there is nothing to learn.

We need to start unlearning the stuff and when unlearning is complete

, back we are to our

natural state ( Joy). Just joy is our original state . Celebrate

Lokesh H For All,Thank You!

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Lokesh,

 

Thats very enlightening, but how difficult it is not to react. Our

very thoughts are reactive. I wonder is non-reactivity possible?

 

Charu

 

, lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:

>

> Thanks all for relating to what i said. This makes me to share

more.

>

> I request everybody to be responsible.

> responsible means not some duty or burden as given by society.

>

> Response-able means ability to respond to the situation.

>

> Life is very dynamic and that is the reason it is going on

eternally . Imagine if it was static , it would have been like a

graveyard.

>

> But as i told earlier , what happens is we have EGO(past) and

hence when a situation arises in life , we use past to react. Here

clearly we are not masters of the situation . our past(acquired by

others) rules the way we react . we are like puppets. If somebody

hates you , you hate back immediately . He controls you and you are

like machines. He pushes a button and you react . anger , hatred ,

jealous , love etc everything is reactive and that is why we are

never happy.

> The reason is , past will not help present. so there is a split

in ur basic nature.

>

> Just be responsive to the life and dont react. This makes u

flow with the life . so you become dynamic and hence life will be a

great joy.

>

> If you observe the most knowledgable person, he/she feels that

life is meaningless etc . The reason is he reacts through past , but

life is present.

> Life doesnt adjust to your conculsions . so u get frustrated.

>

> Go from mind to no-mind. Be like a mirror . Reflect everything

totally.

>

> Lets all help each other to get enlightened .

>

> forall10q wrote:

> The entire post by Lokesh made me smile.

Like Sadhvi, I read the post first thing this morning and it has

echoed through my day. I wasn't going to reply because I worry

about the clanging of the sound of my own voice and not really

having anything to offer. And then I thought, "Oh, so what. Lokesh

made me very happy and I just want to say Thanks! I was going to

quote parts of the post that I liked best until I realized that I

loved it all too much to pick and choose, so here is the whole thing

again. )

>

> Lokesh:

> If we observe nature

> For example : pine tree and rose tree exists without clashes of

ego.

> Pine tree doesn't say I'm taller than you.

> Rose tree doesn't say I have beautiful flowers.

>

> Everything exists so ordinary and so unique .

>

> Only humans want to be extra-ordinary and that is so ordinary

because everybody does the same.

>

> So , being ordinary is the most extra-ordinary thing possible.

Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, etc. were just ordinary people. But it was

extra-ordinary to the common people because they were all striving

to become something else.

>

> Just accept the fact that you and me and all of them are just

ordinary , unique and special in its own way . There is no one to

compete , fight , show etc..

>

> Clouds , lotus , trees , sea , sun etc just exists as ordinary

things and don't fight with anybody else .

>

> By nature , everybody is Sat (Truth) , Chit (consciousness) ,

Anand ( bliss) , but what happened is priests , father , mother ,

teachers , society etc all burdened our mind with lots of taught

chains ( conditioning) and made us something else .

>

> If you see and observe your own mind , there will be thousand

and one people sitting in mind and giving their opinions.

> You will not see your own face there. May be grand grandfather

who has died but still exists in your mind and giving opinions.

>

> I would like say that there is nothing to learn.

> We need to start unlearning the stuff and when unlearning is

complete , back we are to our natural state ( Joy).

>

> Just joy is our original state .

>

> Celebrate

> Lokesh H

>

> For All,

> Thank You!

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infinite toughts are posible in the mind . Lets not condem, control

mind. Poor thing its doing its job of thinking infintely. We never

think why tongue is tasting . do we ? but why mind and toughts?

Lets start observing toughts that come in mind like a stranger

without attachijng . The very watching is enough . The whole issue

is the distance between problem and us. If somebody dies in ur friends

house , you will go and tell him , dont worry friend , "only body is

dead , soul is etrenal , he will be here only etc etc" But , somebody

dies in ur own house , you cannot say the same to yourself , why?

The reason is simple , in the later , the problem is close to you.

Normally what happens is we bcom too close to problems . sometimes we

bcom the problem. So obviously no choice now . We are the

problem and hence we cannot be solution . Hence we goto elders,

priests , god , learned etc.. Now they solve you. But this is

temporary . We again bcom problem and again somebody has to solve.

Its a endless chain. Lets start developing distance between problem

and us . The very distance resolve the issue. We dont have to resolve

the problem . when the distance is very huge there is no problem at

all. This distancing is possible through passive obsevation of

toughts in mind. We should see as if we are seeing some movie . Do

the screen burn when there is a fire on the screen? Does the screen

bcom wet when there is rain in screen? Lets try to goto the top of

mountain and see the problems like it exists at the bottom of it. The

very watching is enough for the resolution. Present is the only

reality and that is the only god. We need to be just be in the

present . For this past and future should die. That means our mind has

to be dead. charu_jagat <charu_jagat (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Lokesh,Thats

very enlightening, but how difficult it is not to react. Our very

thoughts are reactive. I wonder is non-reactivity possible? Charu---

In , lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:>>

Thanks all for relating to what i said. This makes me to share more.>

> I request everybody to be responsible.> responsible means not

some duty or burden as given by society.> > Response-able means

ability to respond to the situation.> > Life is very dynamic and

that is the reason it is going on

eternally . Imagine if it was static , it would have been like a

graveyard.> > But as i told earlier , what happens is we have

EGO(past) and hence when a situation arises in life , we use past to

react. Here clearly we are not masters of the situation . our

past(acquired by others) rules the way we react . we are like

puppets. If somebody hates you , you hate back immediately . He

controls you and you are like machines. He pushes a button and you

react . anger , hatred , jealous , love etc everything is reactive

and that is why we are never happy.> The reason is , past will not

help present. so there is a split in ur basic nature.> > Just be

responsive to the life and dont react. This makes u flow with the

life . so you become dynamic and hence life will be a great joy.>

> If you

observe the most knowledgable person, he/she feels that life is

meaningless etc . The reason is he reacts through past , but life is

present.> Life doesnt adjust to your conculsions . so u get

frustrated.> > Go from mind to no-mind. Be like a mirror .

Reflect everything totally.> > Lets all help each other to get

enlightened . > > forall10q wrote:> The

entire post by Lokesh made me smile. Like Sadhvi, I read the post

first thing this morning and it has echoed through my day. I wasn't

going to reply because I worry about the clanging of the sound of my

own voice and not really having anything to offer. And then I

thought, "Oh, so what. Lokesh made me very happy and I

just want to say Thanks! I was going to quote parts of the post that

I liked best until I realized that I loved it all too much to pick

and choose, so here is the whole thing again. )> > Lokesh:>

If we observe nature> For example : pine tree and rose tree exists

without clashes of ego.> Pine tree doesn't say I'm taller than you.>

Rose tree doesn't say I have beautiful flowers.> > Everything

exists so ordinary and so unique . > > Only humans want to be

extra-ordinary and that is so ordinary because everybody does the

same.> > So , being ordinary is the most extra-ordinary thing

possible. Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, etc. were just ordinary people. But

it was extra-ordinary to the common

people because they were all striving to become something else.> >

Just accept the fact that you and me and all of them are just

ordinary , unique and special in its own way . There is no one to

compete , fight , show etc..> > Clouds , lotus , trees , sea ,

sun etc just exists as ordinary things and don't fight with anybody

else . > > By nature , everybody is Sat (Truth) , Chit

(consciousness) , Anand ( bliss) , but what happened is priests ,

father , mother , teachers , society etc all burdened our mind with

lots of taught chains ( conditioning) and made us something else .>

> If you see and observe your own mind , there will be thousand and

one people sitting in mind and giving their opinions.> You will not

see your own face there. May be grand grandfather

who has died but still exists in your mind and giving opinions.> >

I would like say that there is nothing to learn.> We need to start

unlearning the stuff and when unlearning is complete , back we are to

our natural state ( Joy).> > Just joy is our original state .>

> Celebrate> Lokesh H> > For All,> Thank You!> > > > >

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