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Namaste All,

 

My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I was

just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

 

Blessed Be,

Nancy

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Dear Nancy,

 

There are two questions in your posting: How to recognize (what are

the qualities of) a sincere guru? And, how to find one?

 

The qualities of a true guru are perfect moral purity, and no self

interest at all. The sincere guru's only concern is the spiritual

advancement of the disciple.

 

The question of how to find one is more difficult. The best answer I

have heard is, "When the disciple is ready, the guru must appear".

So, I suppose, the best course is to make oneself ready---perhaps by

making oneself as much like the true guru one longs for as possible.

 

Respectfully,

 

Tanmaya

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78 wrote:

>

> Namaste All,

>

> My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I was

> just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

>

> Blessed Be,

> Nancy

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Dear Lokesh,

 

I've always liked the story about the lioncub amongst the sheep, and I

thank for telling it here. But now I've read it again in your post,

one thing puzzles me. How could the lioness 'forget' to take her child

with her? Who is the lioness in the story? Is it maya (and the

'forgetting' was part of the game)? I'm just wondering, perhaps you

have an idea? Or perhaps there's no deeper meaning at all:)

 

with love,

Henny

 

- In , lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:

>

> I give one example

>

> There was one lioness which was moving around between mountains.

> Accidently it gave birth to one lion in one mountain and forgot to

take it from there. So , lion remained there and lioness went off

>

> But , in that mountain only sheep were there.

> So , lion joined sheep crowd and grow with it. It gradually bcame

sheep like. It did "meha meha meha" and dint not roar.

> It walked liked sheep , closely with each other , afraid of people

etc etc..

>

> One day the lions grandfather came and saw its grand child playing

and acting like sheep. It went to talk to him , but since he feels

like sheep he tried to run away. Finally it was caught.

>

> The grand lion took the small lion with it to a still lake and

asked to see its face.

>

> Suddenly lion started roaring . It understood its reality.

>

> I call this grand lion as the Guru and that is the only job it

has to do.

>

> We all have bcom sheeps bcoz we grew with wrong set of priests ,

teachers , religions , spiritual leaders etc. They all made you sheep

so that you can walk in groups and afraid and so that they can control

you .

>

> Just shake off all your sheepenss my dear liones and roar in this

beautifull universe.

>

> Dont depende on anybody for guru etc . just use it as maps when ur

travelling.

>

>

> Celebrate

> Lokesh

>

>

> Nancy <kali_devoteeak78 wrote:

> Namaste All,

>

> My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I

was

> just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

>

> Blessed Be,

> Nancy

>

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#1 is, his/her example. their behavior.

 

there are insincere gurus with great trappings of spirituality. so it

is essential to get beyond the outer drama. what is this guru as a

human being.

 

it does come down to your own inquiry. we have to make our own

evaluations. that you used the word "sincere" in your qualifications

says a lot.

 

so, the qualification is, a guru mst be sincere. that sounds like a

simple matter, but what it means is, actions and teachings are 100%

aligned all of the time.

 

in this world we found very famous gurus with guns, drugs, and lots of

girlfriends. these gurus can talk circles around devotees. the

devotees let themselves be mesemerized. we are so far away from sincerity.

 

will your guru treat you like a human being, or elevate himself, in

some psychological manner?

 

finally we even have to say, god, if you don't give me a guru i will

be guru to myself, or, i will take you directly as my guru. i will

call a tree my guru. there is no way i will be stopped in my spiritual

progress.

 

 

 

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78 wrote:

>

> Namaste All,

>

> My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I was

> just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

>

> Blessed Be,

> Nancy

>

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oneself ready---perhaps bymaking oneself as much like the true guru

one longs for as possible.Respectfully,Tanmaya--- In

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78 wrote:>>

Namaste All,> > My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the

IndoPagan Path. I was > just wondering what are the qualities of a

sincere guru?> > Blessed Be,> Nancy>

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Namaste Lokesh H,

 

Thank you for the excellent example. I guess I will have to

continue my search for a guru/mentor. I will study and keep an open

mind.

 

Blessed Be,

Nancy/Kali Devotee

 

, lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:

>

> I give one example

>

> There was one lioness which was moving around between mountains.

> Accidently it gave birth to one lion in one mountain and forgot

to take it from there. So , lion remained there and lioness went off

>

> But , in that mountain only sheep were there.

> So , lion joined sheep crowd and grow with it. It gradually

bcame sheep like. It did "meha meha meha" and dint not roar.

> It walked liked sheep , closely with each other , afraid of

people etc etc..

>

> One day the lions grandfather came and saw its grand child

playing and acting like sheep. It went to talk to him , but since he

feels like sheep he tried to run away. Finally it was caught.

>

> The grand lion took the small lion with it to a still lake and

asked to see its face.

>

> Suddenly lion started roaring . It understood its reality.

>

> I call this grand lion as the Guru and that is the only job it

has to do.

>

> We all have bcom sheeps bcoz we grew with wrong set of priests ,

teachers , religions , spiritual leaders etc. They all made you

sheep so that you can walk in groups and afraid and so that they can

control you .

>

> Just shake off all your sheepenss my dear liones and roar in

this beautifull universe.

>

> Dont depende on anybody for guru etc . just use it as maps when

ur travelling.

>

>

> Celebrate

> Lokesh

>

>

> Nancy <kali_devoteeak78 wrote:

> Namaste All,

>

> My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I

was

> just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

>

> Blessed Be,

> Nancy

>

>

 

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Namatste Janardana Dasa,

 

Thank you for such a direct answer. I will wait and be patient. I

will continue to study and learn. May I never quit learning and

continue to have an open mind.

 

Blessed Be,

Nancy/Kali Devotee

, Janardana Dasa

<lightdweller wrote:

>

> May I be a little more pointed?

>

> How to find a sincere and good Guru: DON'T LOOK PERIOD. AT THE

RIGHT TIME THE GURU WILL APPEAR & THE OPPORTUNITY WILL PRESENT

ITSELF.

>

> Janardana Dasa

>

>

>

> ty_maa <ds.james wrote:

>

> Dear Nancy,

>

> There are two questions in your posting: How to recognize (what are

> the qualities of) a sincere guru? And, how to find one?

>

> The qualities of a true guru are perfect moral purity, and no self

> interest at all. The sincere guru's only concern is the spiritual

> advancement of the disciple.

>

> The question of how to find one is more difficult. The best answer

I

> have heard is, "When the disciple is ready, the guru must appear".

> So, I suppose, the best course is to make oneself ready---perhaps

by

> making oneself as much like the true guru one longs for as

possible.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Tanmaya

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78@>

wrote:

> >

> > Namaste All,

> >

> > My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path.

I was

> > just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

> >

> > Blessed Be,

> > Nancy

> >

>

>

 

>

>

>

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>

>

>

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Namaste Steve,

 

I will keep your suggestions in mind. My search for knowledge in 28

years has never stopped or even slowed down. May I always keep an

open and dicerning mind. Thank you very much for your advice.

 

Blessed Be,

Nancy/Kali Devotee

, "Steve Connor" <sconnor

wrote:

>

> #1 is, his/her example. their behavior.

>

> there are insincere gurus with great trappings of spirituality. so

it

> is essential to get beyond the outer drama. what is this guru as a

> human being.

>

> it does come down to your own inquiry. we have to make our own

> evaluations. that you used the word "sincere" in your

qualifications

> says a lot.

>

> so, the qualification is, a guru mst be sincere. that sounds like a

> simple matter, but what it means is, actions and teachings are 100%

> aligned all of the time.

>

> in this world we found very famous gurus with guns, drugs, and

lots of

> girlfriends. these gurus can talk circles around devotees. the

> devotees let themselves be mesemerized. we are so far away from

sincerity.

>

> will your guru treat you like a human being, or elevate himself, in

> some psychological manner?

>

> finally we even have to say, god, if you don't give me a guru i

will

> be guru to myself, or, i will take you directly as my guru. i will

> call a tree my guru. there is no way i will be stopped in my

spiritual

> progress.

>

>

>

> , "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78@>

wrote:

> >

> > Namaste All,

> >

> > My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path.

I was

> > just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

> >

> > Blessed Be,

> > Nancy

> >

>

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Namaste Ty_maa,

 

Maybe I am just not ready yet. I will continue to study my path and

to keep an open mind. May I never stop learning.

Thank you very much for your advice.

 

Blessed Be,

Nancy/Kali Devotee

, "ty_maa" <ds.james wrote:

>

>

> Dear Nancy,

>

> There are two questions in your posting: How to recognize (what are

> the qualities of) a sincere guru? And, how to find one?

>

> The qualities of a true guru are perfect moral purity, and no self

> interest at all. The sincere guru's only concern is the spiritual

> advancement of the disciple.

>

> The question of how to find one is more difficult. The best answer

I

> have heard is, "When the disciple is ready, the guru must appear".

> So, I suppose, the best course is to make oneself ready---perhaps

by

> making oneself as much like the true guru one longs for as

possible.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Tanmaya

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78@>

wrote:

> >

> > Namaste All,

> >

> > My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path.

I was

> > just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

> >

> > Blessed Be,

> > Nancy

> >

>

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, lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:

> I call this grand lion as the Guru and that is the only job it

has to do.

> <snip>

>

> Dont depende on anybody for guru etc . just use it as maps when ur

travelling.

>

>

> Celebrate

> Lokesh

 

Hi Lokesh,

 

To give another point of view.

 

The two statements of yours in the same post seem to be not

consistent. I think the former makes more sense than the latter.

 

About the latter (guru is a map):

I humbly suggest that the guru is not a map, rather he is the guide

who knows the map and the ever-changing topography represented by the map.

 

How many people can do a Ph.D in math with just the textbooks (aka

map) and no guides (aka teachers or gurus or friends on the path)?

Very very few.

 

Much much more likewise in the far more subtle realm of spirituality

that a toolkit (sadhana practices) and a guide (guru) are both needed

BY MOST OF HUMANITY.

 

That slight difference of understanding aside, I must say your posts

are wonderfully original and inspiring!

 

Jai Ma!

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i believe you. it is such a good question. it made me think of my own

struggles looking for a sincere guru.

 

steve

 

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78 wrote:

>

> Namaste Steve,

>

> I will keep your suggestions in mind. My search for knowledge in 28

> years has never stopped or even slowed down. May I always keep an

> open and dicerning mind. Thank you very much for your advice.

>

> Blessed Be,

> Nancy/Kali Devotee

> , "Steve Connor" <sconnor@>

> wrote:

> >

> > #1 is, his/her example. their behavior.

> >

> > there are insincere gurus with great trappings of spirituality. so

> it

> > is essential to get beyond the outer drama. what is this guru as a

> > human being.

> >

> > it does come down to your own inquiry. we have to make our own

> > evaluations. that you used the word "sincere" in your

> qualifications

> > says a lot.

> >

> > so, the qualification is, a guru mst be sincere. that sounds like a

> > simple matter, but what it means is, actions and teachings are 100%

> > aligned all of the time.

> >

> > in this world we found very famous gurus with guns, drugs, and

> lots of

> > girlfriends. these gurus can talk circles around devotees. the

> > devotees let themselves be mesemerized. we are so far away from

> sincerity.

> >

> > will your guru treat you like a human being, or elevate himself, in

> > some psychological manner?

> >

> > finally we even have to say, god, if you don't give me a guru i

> will

> > be guru to myself, or, i will take you directly as my guru. i will

> > call a tree my guru. there is no way i will be stopped in my

> spiritual

> > progress.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste All,

> > >

> > > My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path.

> I was

> > > just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

> > >

> > > Blessed Be,

> > > Nancy

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Lokesh ji,

I am sorry but I have to disagree with your post and how you are

referring to the greatest thing in this World, the Guru. I normally

don't answer posts, but I could not refrain from this one.

My Guru is the only thing I can depend on. She is my All in All. I

am so lucky She allows me to depend on Her. I would be completely

lost without Her. It is only by Her Grace, that She has allowed me

to hold on to just one Big Toe on Her Lotus Foot, so I don't drown in

the Ocean of Maya.

She is not just some map. A map can't come and find you and help you

when you are lost. You can only use it. But my Guru will always

rescue me, should I get lost or in trouble. She is my Beginning and

my End--my Path, my Journey and my Final Destination as well.

So please consider not belittling Her like this.

If one is not a Guru, then how can one say what the job of a Guru is,

especially stating that the Guru only has one job.

Jai Maa! Jai Gurudev!

Surya

-

manoj_menon

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:38 PM

Re: How Does One Find A Sincere Guru?

, lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:>

I call this grand lion as the Guru and that is the only job ithas to

do.> <snip>>> Dont depende on anybody for guru etc . just use it

as maps when urtravelling.> > > Celebrate> LokeshHi

Lokesh,To give another point of view.The two statements of yours in

the same post seem to be notconsistent. I think the former makes more

sense than the latter.About the latter (guru is a map):I humbly

suggest that the guru is not a map, rather he is the guidewho knows

the map and the ever-changing topography represented by the map.How

many people can do a Ph.D in math with just the textbooks (akamap)

and no guides (aka teachers or gurus or friends on the path)?Very

very few.Much much more likewise in the far more subtle realm of

spiritualitythat a toolkit (sadhana practices) and a guide (guru) are

both neededBY MOST OF HUMANITY.That slight difference of understanding

aside, I must say your postsare wonderfully original and inspiring!Jai

Ma!

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solid"> Dear Lokesh ji, I am sorry but I have to disagree with your

post and how you are referring to the greatest thing in this World,

the Guru. I normally don't answer posts, but I could not refrain

from this one. My Guru is the only thing I can depend on. She is

my All in All. I am so lucky She allows me to depend on Her. I would

be completely lost without Her. It is only by Her Grace, that She has

allowed me to hold on to just one Big Toe on Her Lotus Foot, so I

don't drown in the Ocean of Maya. She is not just some map. A map

can't come and find you and help you when you are lost. You can only

use it. But my Guru will always rescue me, should I get lost or in

trouble. She is my Beginning and my End--my Path, my Journey and my

Final Destination as

well. So please consider not belittling Her like this. If one is

not a Guru, then how can one say what the job of a Guru is,

especially stating that the Guru only has one job. Jai Maa! Jai

Gurudev! Surya - manoj_menon

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:38

PM Re: How Does One Find A Sincere Guru? --- In

, lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:> I call

this grand lion as the Guru and that is the only job ithas to do.>

<snip>>> Dont depende on anybody for guru etc . just use it as maps

when urtravelling.> > > Celebrate> LokeshHi Lokesh,To give

another point of view.The two statements of yours in the same post

seem to be notconsistent. I think the former makes more sense than

the latter.About the latter (guru is a map):I humbly suggest that the

guru is not a map, rather he is the guidewho knows the map and the

ever-changing topography represented by the map.How

many people can do a Ph.D in math with just the textbooks (akamap) and

no guides (aka teachers or gurus or friends on the path)?Very very

few.Much much more likewise in the far more subtle realm of

spiritualitythat a toolkit (sadhana practices) and a guide (guru) are

both neededBY MOST OF HUMANITY.That slight difference of understanding

aside, I must say your postsare wonderfully original and inspiring!Jai

Ma!

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OK. No worries.

In Truth, there is only one Maa, but She takes so many forms for Her devotees.

It is good that you have an open heart.

Jai Maa!

Surya

-

lokesh h

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:18 PM

Re: Re: How Does One Find A Sincere Guru?

I never tell bad about anybody unless i know .

Believe me i dont event know about Ma that you are referring here.

Somebody added me to this list and i just respond to some things which i know.

I have all the respects to great souls like Ma you are refereing and several other great souls

I have so many things to learn and i will keep learning from wherever it comes .

Here again repeating same thing. I respect all great souls like Ma ,

vivekananda etc etc. I am still far far away from all these great

souls. So dont even get me wrong.

I am just a seeker like any other ordinary guy.

Mahamuni <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote:

Dear Lokesh ji,

I am sorry but I have to disagree with your post and how you are

referring to the greatest thing in this World, the Guru. I normally

don't answer posts, but I could not refrain from this one.

My Guru is the only thing I can depend on. She is my All in All. I

am so lucky She allows me to depend on Her. I would be completely

lost without Her. It is only by Her Grace, that She has allowed me

to hold on to just one Big Toe on Her Lotus Foot, so I don't drown in

the Ocean of Maya.

She is not just some map. A map can't come and find you and help you

when you are lost. You can only use it. But my Guru will always

rescue me, should I get lost or in trouble. She is my Beginning and

my End--my Path, my Journey and my Final Destination as well.

So please consider not belittling Her like this.

If one is not a Guru, then how can one say what the job of a Guru is,

especially stating that the Guru only has one job.

Jai Maa! Jai Gurudev!

Surya

-

manoj_menon

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:38 PM

Re: How Does One Find A Sincere Guru?

, lokesh h <lokspavi wrote:>

I call this grand lion as the Guru and that is the only job ithas to

do.> <snip>>> Dont depende on anybody for guru etc . just use it

as maps when urtravelling.> > > Celebrate> LokeshHi

Lokesh,To give another point of view.The two statements of yours in

the same post seem to be notconsistent. I think the former makes more

sense than the latter.About the latter (guru is a map):I humbly

suggest that the guru is not a map, rather he is the guidewho knows

the map and the ever-changing topography represented by the map.How

many people can do a Ph.D in math with just the textbooks (akamap)

and no guides (aka teachers or gurus or friends on the path)?Very

very few.Much much more likewise in the far more subtle realm of

spiritualitythat a toolkit (sadhana practices) and a guide (guru) are

both neededBY MOST OF HUMANITY.That slight difference of understanding

aside, I must say your postsare wonderfully original and inspiring!Jai

Ma!

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Namaste Nancy,

 

My quest for a true Guru ( at the time I didn´t know there was any

other kind) started when I read my first book about an Enlightened

Being´s own road to the Truth. I cried throughout the whole book and

couldn´t wait till the end to find out where He was. At the end I

found He had left the body before I was even born (this time around),

but the fervor He experienced in His quest for His own Guru changed

me. I made a sankalpa then (even though I didn´t know the term) and a

mere ten years later I found myself at the Lotus feet of my beloved

Shree Maa and Swamiji. I was overwhelmed so completely at that moment

that I knew that a new life was beginning.

 

Jai Maa

 

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78

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>

> Namaste All,

>

> My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I

was

> just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

>

> Blessed Be,

> Nancy

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My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I was

just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru? Blessed

Be,Nancy

Welcome and Namaste Nancy,

 

My answer.

 

In this world, a perfect reflection of your own heart. To love and be

loved and grow strong in the unbiased light of understanding.

 

Om Namah Sivaya

 

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Their action is consistent with what they teach.

 

They do this because they want to, they are not motivated by an

earthly reward.

 

The devotee researches to qualify the guru's sincerity.

 

While waiting to find the guru, one does everything within one's

ability to become a worthwhile devotee, or, to find the guru within.

 

We change ourselves, just a little from inside, and look at what

happens outside, apparently without trying. A sincere guru might even

come to your house and say hello.

 

, "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78 wrote:

>

> Namaste All,

>

> My name is Nancy and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I was

> just wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?

>

> Blessed Be,

> Nancy

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ITSELF.> > Janardana Dasa> > > > ty_maa <ds.james

wrote:> > Dear Nancy,> > There are two questions in your posting:

How to recognize (what are> the qualities of) a sincere guru? And,

how to find one?> > The qualities of a true guru are perfect moral

purity, and no self> interest at all. The sincere guru's only

concern is the spiritual> advancement of the disciple.> > The

question of how to find one is more difficult. The best answer I>

have heard is, "When the disciple is ready, the guru must appear".>

So, I suppose, the best course is to make oneself ready---perhaps by>

making oneself as much like the true guru one longs for as possible.>

> Respectfully,> > Tanmaya> > > > >

> > , "Nancy" <kali_devoteeak78@>

wrote:> >> > Namaste All,> > > > My name is Nancy and I am a

practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I was > > just wondering what

are the qualities of a sincere guru?> > > > Blessed Be,> > Nancy> >>

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with great trappings of spirituality. so it> is essential to get

beyond the outer drama. what is this guru as a> human being.> > it

does come down to your own inquiry. we have to make our own>

evaluations. that you used the word "sincere" in your qualifications>

says a lot.> > so, the qualification is, a guru mst be sincere. that

sounds like a> simple matter, but what it means is, actions and

teachings are 100%> aligned all of the time.> > in this world we

found very famous gurus with guns, drugs, and lots of> girlfriends.

these gurus can talk circles around devotees. the> devotees let

themselves be mesemerized. we are so far away from sincerity.> > will

your guru treat you like a human being, or elevate himself, in> some

psychological manner?> > finally we even have to say, god, if you

don't give me a guru i will> be guru to

myself, or, i will take you directly as my guru. i will> call a tree

my guru. there is no way i will be stopped in my spiritual>

progress.> > > > , "Nancy"

<kali_devoteeak78@> wrote:> >> > Namaste All,> > > > My name is Nancy

and I am a practictioner of the IndoPagan Path. I was > > just

wondering what are the qualities of a sincere guru?> > > > Blessed

Be,> > Nancy> >>

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