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Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 In a message dated 1/5/1999 7:35:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, Dirk_Haueter writes: << Dear Jan, Thanks for bringing this up because something about it has always puzzled me. What is Nachiketa asking for in the third boon when he has received the following in the second boon: "Those who carry out this triple duty Conscious of its full meaning will shake off The dread noose of death and transcend sorrow To enjoy the world of heaven. " Perhaps you or the wise Harsha can explain how the knowledge of immortality is different for this. Namaste, Dirk >> Harsha: Thank you for being here with us Wise Dirk Haueter. For those who don't know Dirk, he is a highly experienced meditator since a young age and a man of great knowledge and wisdom and insight. Dirk spent many many years as a monk studying the scriptures and the mysteries of life. The girls finally got to him. :--). He lives the life of a Rishi. His wisdom has humbled him so that he now teaches through asking questions. Grateful for your presence Dirk. Jan handles all the tough questions here so we will wait for his answer :--). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 Dear Pure Joy, Is this by chance the "Dirk" that used to write on the K list and got bounced off of it? None of my business but such a gentle entrance and if so I think it is great ! If he can focus all that knowledge, the list will be enriched. Blessings, + Maureen * * * * * * * * > To enjoy the world of heaven. " > Perhaps you or the wise Harsha can explain how the knowledge of immortality > is different for this. > Namaste, > Dirk > >> > > Harsha: Thank you for being here with us Wise Dirk Haueter. For those who > don't know Dirk, he is a highly experienced meditator since a young age and a > man of great knowledge and wisdom and insight. Dirk spent many many years as a > monk studying the scriptures and the mysteries of life. The girls finally got > to him. :--). He lives the life of a Rishi. His wisdom has humbled him so that > he now teaches through asking questions. Grateful for your presence Dirk. Jan > handles all the tough questions here so we will wait for his answer :--). > > ------ > To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 In a message dated 1/5/1999 8:28:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, morlight writes: << Maureen Heffernan <morlight Dear Pure Joy, Is this by chance the "Dirk" that used to write on the K list and got bounced off of it? None of my business but such a gentle entrance and if so I think it is great ! If he can focus all that knowledge, the list will be enriched. Blessings, + Maureen * * * >> Harsha: No Maureen. That was Dieter who got thrown off the K-list. Dirk has always been a very gentle and usually a quiet presence on all the lists that I have shared with him. However, his posts are testimony to his grace, humility, wisdom, appreciation and aspiration. I hope I am not embarrassing you Dirk. It is just that I have admired you for so long that it was bound to come out. Tell us about the girls though after you left monkhood. Only if you feel right about it. Jerry wants to know (I am serious) :--). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 In a message dated 1/5/99 12:12:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, HarshaIMTM writes: << Dirk has always been a very gentle and usually a quiet presence on all the lists that I have shared with him. However, his posts are testimony to his grace, humility, wisdom, appreciation and aspiration. I have to agree with you Harsha. What a gentle and quiet giant he has been to me many times over! I do wish he would post more often. Thanks for telling us a little bit about him. Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 Dear Jan, Thanks for bringing this up because something about it has always puzzled me. What is Nachiketa asking for in the third boon when he has received the following in the second boon: "Those who carry out this triple duty Conscious of its full meaning will shake off The dread noose of death and transcend sorrow To enjoy the world of heaven. " Perhaps you or the wise Harsha can explain how the knowledge of immortality is different for this. Namaste, Dirk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 Dear Maureen, Thank you for remembering me. I'm still on the k list last I checked, but I tend mostly to lurk. It would be more interesting if we could get Harsha to talk about his experience and deep understanding of the nature of the immortal self. He has wisdom that is beyond the intellect. Please help me to persuade him. If I ask he will only make fun of my not having a girl friend :-) Namaste, Dirk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 > Haueter, Dirk [Dirk_Haueter] > Dear Jan, > Thanks for bringing this up because something about it has always puzzled > me. What is Nachiketa asking for in the third boon when he has > received the > following in the second boon: > "Those who carry out this triple duty > Conscious of its full meaning will shake off > > The dread noose of death and transcend sorrow > > To enjoy the world of heaven. " > Perhaps you or the wise Harsha can explain how the knowledge of > immortality > is different for this. > Namaste, > Dirk Jan: Where I found the Kathopanishad on a website there was a commentary on it: "There are two that partake of the Cosmic Order in the World of good deeds. Both have entered into the secret Cave (of the heart) in the superior, the upper worlds of being. Those who know the Secret Teachings (Brahmavidah--those who know the one ultimate Reality) and those Five-Fired ones (the Good Householders who work in the five levels or with the five principles of the manifest reality) who have kindled the triple Nachiketas Fire (the Kundalini creative serpent-fire), know them as Light (Mahat--the projection of the Shanta Atman--the Silent Witness) and Shade (Buddhi--the intuitive Inner Knower or Jnana Atman)". So in the third boon, Nachiketa wants the secret teachings (Brahmavidya). According to my encyclopedia this isn't ordinary knowledge but Self-realization. It would mean the difference is between a K. related discipline or the direct (nondual) path. As cases in recorded history indicate that this particular direct path is a shortcut, Nachiketa knew what and why he was asking this boon and also that it would be granted. In the introductory verse, it becomes clear Nachiketa is sincere and pure. Visiting Yama symbolizes one, able to accept the consequences of death while the body still is alive. When all conditioning and clinging to life is gone, what remains (and will be spontaneously recognized) is one's natural state - irrespective of the label (if any) one will give it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 1999 Report Share Posted January 6, 1999 >Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:27:44 +0000 >Maureen Heffernan <morlight > >Reply-to: > Re: The Kathopanishad (I- 1) > >Maureen Heffernan <morlight > Just as a side note, Maureen Heffernan had encouraged me privately to start this list. We have now many distinguished and experienced people here(around 30) many of whome I have known for a while on the other lists. Flute (Carol)a wise and an experienced teacher is also here. Please everyone feel free to introduce yourself. I took a bit too much liberty with introducing Dirk. Thanks Jan for your posts. They create an environment in which Self-Awareness is uncovered. I will get better organized and post frequently on the Self (two or three times a week). I might invite several people who used to be on the k-list but are no more there. In the next week or two I will add in the description of the list that discussions are also encouraged on "relationships" or how to have spiritual relationships, etc., and how the topic of relationships fits into the context of living the spiritual life. Comments welcome. Got to run. Leading a worldly life. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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