A second comment on Vivekachudamani

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Harsha: Here is another response and a comment on the same question answered

by Don. My note at the end points to the claims made by some that the Guru can

take on the karma of the devotee ensuring liberation. The end part of the

message points to Ramana Maharshi's unique contribution to the modern

Kundalini literature and his unsurpassed understanding of the nature of the

workings of the Shakti and the ultimate knowledge of the underlying Reality of

the Self.

 

Srinivas Sista wrote:

> > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

> >

> > > In Yoga, they say that when Shakti Joins

> > > Shiva at Sahasarara, this union results in liberation, and at death of

the

> > > body the Prana exits through the Sahasarara resulting in Maha Samadhi.

The

> > > exit through the Sahasarara is meant to be a sign of the final Mukti.

>

Srinivas Sista responded:

> For all practical purposes. But if we have to split hairs, here is the

> trajectory:

>

> Those jeevas go to the Brahma loka and attain final liberation at

> the end of the Kalpa. However, they do not return to any other lower

> worlds. Hence they are said to have been liberated from the `round'

> of birth and death.

>

> > >Harsha: However, on the path of Jnana, the pranas do not exit but are

absorbed into > > > the Heart that is the Self. How do we reconcile these two

seemingly

> > > divergent explanations?

>

>S: This is the absolute and unconditional liberation!

> There are no lokas, no kalpas, no ...(whatever one can come up with).

> You may want to refer to the incidents when

> 1. Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's mother passed away

 

Harsha: Thanks for your reply. Yes. I am aware of that incident where the Sage

put

one hand on his mother's head and the other on her heart and sat with her

until her

karmas were exhausted on the subtle plane. Ramana Maharshi clearly indicated

that

his mother had attained Moksha. Prior to that Ramana Maharshi had tried

something

similar with Paliniswami, one of his attendants when he was about to pass

away.

That effort, according to the Maharshi was a failure as Paliniswami's eyes

opened

just before he passed away leading him to a higher birth but not Moksha. I am

also

familiar with the other incident that you mentioned about the Lady devotee

whom the

Sage cautioned against remaining in Laya.

 

May I ask the source of your information regarding Prana going out the

Sahasarara

versus being absorbed in the Spiritual Heart? Do you have a scholarly

reference? I

have practical experience of the workings of Kundalini Shakti in various

centers.

Among the Indian Sages, I have found only Ramana that described the descent of

the

Shakti after reaching the Sahasarara to come down a frontal nadi (Amrita Nadi)

into

the spiritual Heart resulting in Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi. That is my

experience

also. I am not a Sanskrit scholar, and was curious if there was any reference

in

the ancient literature of that linkage between the Sahasarara and the

Spiritual

Heart (not the Anahata center). Of the modern Indian sages that I am aware of,

only

Ramana was explicit in that linkage indicating to me his in-depth knowledge of

the

workings of Shakti as well as the ultimate experience of the Self that is the

Heart. Again, I appreciate your response.

 

Harsha