Fw: [Ananda] Tangibility, walking meditation

February 17, 1999

Jan,

I am forwarding a post from another list to give you some food for thought.

I believe, based on the info from one post, that you are caught in a sense of

trying to understand the divine with a finite mind and thusly intellect, and you

are going to wind up bruising your head from smacking it into a wall. I may be

way off the mark, and if this is the case, ignor the post...if not, post me and

have a couple of core meditations and useful tool that may just posiible be of

some help to a degree.

Light

Marcus

The non-duality of it all is best though of like this; this entire world

(universe) and all other worlds are the creative manifestation of Siva--anything

that is not pure counsciousness (Siva) is creative energy (Sakti). Now, Shakti

is the creative aspect of Siva, so we are just looking at two aspects of the

same thing. Everything is simply energy to various degrees (science bears this

out). Now, it might be easier to think of the multitude of offshoots of energy

from the three primary energies as power.

Thus we have this:

--Iccha shakti; Divine will (knower)---covered, or concealed by the power of

Anava mala; reduces omnipotent will to the limited will of individual.

--Jnana shakti; Divine knowledge (knowing)--covered, or concealed by the power

of Mayiya mala. This produces Maya, with the five Kancukas, or minor energies;

reduces omnipotent knowledge down to limited knowledge of individual.

Kriya shakti; Divine action (known)--covered, or concealed by the power of

Karma mala; reduces divine fullness down to desire for things and the perception

of good and bad acts.

The three Mala's are actually Shakti. There really are, in the truest sense, no

real divisions of Shakti, but rather different actions of the same unlimited

energy. Siva, by his absolute free will or svatantrya, uses his energy to set up

the world this way...

Think about the marvelous simplicity in design, and the astounding execution of

it...If I were wanting to experience the fullness of every possibility, what

would be the best way? Not only does Siva realize himself countless of billions

of times a day (all the awakening individuals on all of the possible worlds),

but he has divised a way to experience every situation, every possible outcome,

from every possible angle....all possibilities are realized through the endless

diversity of worlds and life that hman minds cannot comprehend.

Think of it like this...have you ever had a dream in which you controlled the

possibilites...is the dream prety far out? have been able to see the point of

view from the other participants that you created in the dream? were some really

far out situations going on? Have you ever switched characters in a dream, or

your character evolve into something better than it originally was? You are

literally using your energy to create situations and circumstances that

otherwise could not come about, but you must see the fullness of yourself, so

through your energy you create the fullness of posiibilties; not as thoroughly

as Siva, but it is a play like Siva's on a microcosmic level.

Dreams are a shadow of the play of Siva...the energy of this world is real;

thusly this is real. this is energy...energy is Shakti...Shakti is Siva's

intelligent, creative energy...this is not seperate from Siva anymore than flame

is seperate from fire. Thushly this is Shiva. Two words can describe this world:

ShivaShakti. The trick is just seeing it!

Hope this was helpful in some way.

Much Light,

Marcus

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laurence beyer <larbeyer9

Ananda <Ananda >

Wednesday, February 17, 1999 2:35 PM

[Ananda] Tangibility, walking meditation

laurence beyer <larbeyer9

Good Morning List!

I'm off to work so will be brief. Thoroughly enjoying the input from

everyone this is agreat list! I made the comment about tangibity

yesterday , and this is an area of confusion for me. The Vedantas, I

believe conceive of Maya as being illusory, i.e. a dualistic

approach,and Shaivism doesn't buy into the dualistic approach, in that

all is a refection of Shiva, all that is here is a reflection of

unlimited conciousness that is in the process of remembering itself.

So how exactly does Maya fit into this if it is not illusory, and it

is real? Is it reality that is experienced with limited awareness,

and not illusory, just experienced at a lower frequency(bad word)

couldn't think of anything else.

I also am tremendously interested in the Idea of walking meditation,

and I am working on it. The Sikhs try to remember the naam of god

continually throughout the day by repeatinbg a mantra to themselves

silently and thereby dedicate all of there actions to god their true

identity. I've been practicing this for months. Does this relate to

our discussion of walkling meditation? I think it does, but the

extend of which I am not sure.

Any and all Light from the Sages on this list is always appreciated.

I'm learning much from you all.

Sat Nam

Larry

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February 17, 1999

Jan,

Thanks. This is some really interesting stuff that I am going to digest

slowly this evening...i can relate to shutting up the mind myself...Tell me, how

long did it take you to get into the 'rythem' of the walking meditation?

L

Marcus

jb <kvy9

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Wednesday, February 17, 1999 9:40 PM

Re: Fw: [Ananda] Tangibility, walking meditation

"jb" <kvy9

Gemini [currwamp]

Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:54

Fw: [Ananda] Tangibility, walking meditation

Jan,

I am forwarding a post from another list to give you some food for

thought. I believe, based on the info from one post, that you are caught in

a sense of trying to understand the divine with a finite mind and thusly

intellect, and you are going to wind up bruising your head from smacking it

into a wall. I may be way off the mark, and if this is the case, ignor the

post...if not, post me and have a couple of core meditations and useful tool

that may just posiible be of some help to a degree.

Light

Marcus

Dear Marcus,

I appreciate you concern but there is no reason for it As a token of

appreciation, I will give you some info I would normally not disclose, as it

puts up the burden of believing someone through an impersonal medium like

Internet. The Buddha, mentioning a few of the "roadmarks" one will meet on

attaining nirvana with substratum remaining, said the same "roadmarks" will

be met when attaining nirvana without substratum. In relation to moksha or

union of Shakti/Shiva I never met an equivalent terminology. Anyhow, in

nirvana with substratum one is endowed with a full +knowledge+ of one's real

nature (or who one really is) and all one's feelings are purified; they are

"as new" because at the removal of the old impressions the former

associations and interpretations (with feelings) are removed too. So the

Buddha stated one has the choice to enjoy one's feelings but if one doesn't,

they will be burnt also. I hope it is clear which choice I made

For some the choice wasn't so apparent. Saint Jnaneshvar died of

self-immolation because of the war; Hallaj died because he had to utter a

holy Truth.

BTW, I spontaneously practiced walking meditation during the rise of K.. The

mantra was repeated synchronously with breath and steps, between 12 to 24

steps per breath, one syllable of the mantra per step. It helped to shut up

the mind Talking about synchronicity, it is the third time today I

mentioned Hallaj and as he is a nondualist by "experience" I could use the

story even a fourth time... Concerning the differences in types of

knowledge, I once posted an appropriate quote.

Jan

Three Forms of Knowledge

Ibn El-Arabi of Spain instructed his followers in this most ancient dictum:

There are three forms of knowledge. The first is intellectual knowledge,

which is in fact only

information and the collection of facts, and the use of these to arrive at

further intellectual concepts.

This is intellectualism.

Second comes the knowledge of states, which includes both emotional feeling

and strange states of being

in which man thinks that he has perceived something supreme but cannot avail

himself of it.

This is emotionalism.

Third comes real knowledge, which is called the Knowledge of Reality. In

this form,

man can perceive what is right, what is true, beyond the boundaries of

thought and sense.

Scholastics and scientists concentrate upon the first form of knowledge.

Emotionalists and experientalists use the second form. Others use the two

combined,

or either one alternatively. But the people who attain to truth are those

who know how to

connect themselves with the reality which lies beyond both these forms of

knowledge.

These are the real Sufis, the Dervishes who have Attained

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