Guest guest Posted March 6, 1999 Report Share Posted March 6, 1999 In a message dated 3/6/99 10:37:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, fewtch writes: << Tim Gerchmez <fewtch Distinctions ------------ There is such a strong apparent need or tendency with human beings to identify with a particular religion, or group, or ethnicity, or nationality. Such a need of course stems from the ego, but it is the root cause of all divisiveness among human beings, all wars and conflicts. It turns this world of ours into a nightmare. "I am an American. I am a Jew. I am a Christian. I am a Muslim. I am Indian. I am Greek. I am Laotian. I am Chinese. I am black. I am white. I am asian. I am a Buddhist. I am a Vedantist. I am a man. I am a woman. I am this, and I am that." When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth. Tim >> That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll knock your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 Distinctions ------------ There is such a strong apparent need or tendency with human beings to identify with a particular religion, or group, or ethnicity, or nationality. Such a need of course stems from the ego, but it is the root cause of all divisiveness among human beings, all wars and conflicts. It turns this world of ours into a nightmare. "I am an American. I am a Jew. I am a Christian. I am a Muslim. I am Indian. I am Greek. I am Laotian. I am Chinese. I am black. I am white. I am asian. I am a Buddhist. I am a Vedantist. I am a man. I am a woman. I am this, and I am that." When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth. Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 02:29:05 EST Fourmo3297 writes: >Fourmo3297 > >In a message dated 3/6/99 10:37:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, >fewtch >writes: > ><< Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > Distinctions > ------------ > > There is such a strong apparent need or tendency with human beings >to > identify with a particular religion, or group, or ethnicity, or > nationality. Such a need of course stems from the ego, but it is the >root > cause of all divisiveness among human beings, all wars and conflicts. > It > turns this world of ours into a nightmare. > > "I am an American. I am a Jew. I am a Christian. I am a Muslim. I >am > Indian. I am Greek. I am Laotian. I am Chinese. I am black. I >am > white. I am asian. I am a Buddhist. I am a Vedantist. I am a man. > I am > a woman. I am this, and I am that." > > When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off >beyond > those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if >it ever > happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth. > > Tim > >> > >That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll >knock >your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot. > Me too, especially over some rice or egg noodles and topped with some parmesan cheese -- yum!! It doesn't even upset your stomach like pizza. It's not peace on earth, but it's a little piece of heaven. :-) Bruce Pushing 50 so hard he's 51 http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 At 02:37 AM 3/7/99 -0500, you wrote: >Me too, especially over some rice or egg noodles >and topped with some parmesan cheese -- yum!! >It doesn't even upset your stomach like pizza. >It's not peace on earth, but it's a little piece >of heaven. :-) > >Bruce >Pushing 50 so hard he's 51 Heheheh.. I had imagined you to be between 40 and 45 years old, Bruce. Funny how these ideas appear in the mind and are so often wrong. ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 At 02:29 AM 3/7/99 EST, you wrote: >That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll knock >your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot. He also identifies himself as a "sailor man," though. Thus, he is a dualist <g>. I'm popeye the Eternal man, I'm popeye the Eternal man, I'm strong in my fusions, 'cause I eat me illusions, I'm popeye the Eternal Man. Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 In a message dated 3/6/99 11:36:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, editor writes: < >That's why everyone loves Popeye. He says "I yam what I yam" and he'll >knock >your block off if you don't like it. We also both like spinach alot. > Me too, especially over some rice or egg noodles and topped with some parmesan cheese -- yum!! It doesn't even upset your stomach like pizza. It's not peace on earth, but it's a little piece of heaven. :-) Bruce Pushing 50 so hard he's 51 >> I'll have to try the spinach over egg noodles. Sounds great. Rick Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond > those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever > happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth. get rid of i and there is only am. get rid of am, and there is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Tim Harris wrote: > your true glorious nature then who is 'your'? (giggling) --janpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 > Bruce > Pushing 50 so hard he's 51 > >Rick >Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?) After my mother's 40th birthday, she started counting the other direction. Trouble was, she lived to be -12. It's called Dharma's Mom's Method: counting down to nonduality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 > > > > When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond > > those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever > > happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth. > > get rid of i and there is only am. > > get rid of am, and there is.... > your true glorious nature Regards. Tim Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 > > your true glorious nature > > then who is 'your'? > > (giggling) > > --janpa I AM....LOL. Regards. Tim Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:50:08 -0600 Dharma <fisher1 writes: >Dharma <fisher1 > > >> Bruce >> Pushing 50 so hard he's 51 >> >>Rick >>Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?) > >After my mother's 40th birthday, she started counting the other >direction. >Trouble was, she lived to be -12. >It's called Dharma's Mom's Method: >counting down to nonduality > The Good Wife[tm] will celebrate her 17th consecutive 29th birthday this summer. http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 At 02:34 PM 3/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > >get rid of i and there is only am. > >get rid of am, and there is.... > The sound of One hand... clapping... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 At 02:34 PM 3/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > >On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Tim Gerchmez wrote: >> >> When, if ever, will the human race learn to chop everything off beyond >> those first two words: I AM. Maybe sometime, maybe never. But if it ever >> happens, peace shall surely reign on Earth. > >get rid of i and there is only am. >get rid of am, and there is.... The "emptiness" espoused in Buddhism? :-) For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of nonexistence? ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 Hi Tim, >>"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 >> >>get rid of i and there is only am. >>get rid of am, and there is.... > >The "emptiness" espoused in Buddhism? :-) > >For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally >unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of >nonexistence? It isn't nonexistence. Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 >>> Bruce >>> Pushing 50 so hard he's 51 >>> >>>Rick >>>Holding back 44 so hard he's 43 (?) >> >>After my mother's 40th birthday, she started counting the other >>direction. >>Trouble was, she lived to be -12. >>It's called Dharma's Mom's Method: >>counting down to nonduality >> >Bruce: >The Good Wife[tm] will celebrate >her 17th consecutive 29th >birthday this summer. Well, it wouldn't be my choice! On my 29th birthday I was so depressed a professor stopped me after class to ask what was wrong. I said, "I'm 29 today." He started to laugh.. when he could get hold of himself, he said, "Let me tell you something. You will never feel so old again." And he was right! Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 At 11:57 PM 3/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >>For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally >>unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of >>nonexistence? > >It isn't nonexistence. Consciousness is existence. Lack of Consciousness is nonexistence. Life is Eternally Conscious. The Consciousness in Me is the Consciousness in the bird outside my window, in the cockroach crawling in someone's basement, in the snail in someone's garden. Life is Energy. I AM that Energy. I admit, I'm not a Buddhist, and don't have full understanding of the philosophies. Rather, I'm a "Self-ist" and thus only understand what my senses and perceptions tell me. I've given up on thought being able to tell me anything worth knowing. Only perception makes much sense. Your words (and those of others) make little sense to me, if they require analysis. Only my own words make sense to me. And sometimes even those don't make any sense to me. Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 Ahh, Tim G., my friend, I have depended on perceptions and my senses all of my life and they have kept me in a sleep mode. I am beginning to realize that these are not always dependable and that I am better off to question these. I admire the fact that you are exploring these issues at such an early point in your life. If you don't mind a suggestion from a real beginner like myself, I would offer that you would be better served to be open to all that you read and not spend energy resisting and holding on to what your senses and perceptions tell you are the truths. At the same time I say this, I give you a hug and marvel that a young man like yourself is so invested in this exploration. Love, Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Dharma wrote: > > > >For those who seek to "get rid of everything" and to be eternally > >unconscious, I can only say, why would anyone desire such a state of > >nonexistence? > > It isn't nonexistence. nope it aint. as the PrajnaParamaitaHrydaya sutra sez: (heart of perfect wisdom) form is sunyata and sunyata is form. --jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 i could post the whole sutra, its not that long, in the version i learned to chant (in english). would that be ok? --jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 >form is sunyata and sunyata is form. Thank you. Madhya >------ >Come check out our brand new web site! > >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 At 08:13 AM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote: >Judy Walden <judyw > >Ahh, Tim G., my friend, > >I have depended on perceptions and my senses all of my life >and they have kept me in a sleep mode. I am beginning to >realize that these are not always dependable and that I am >better off to question these. So what DO you depend on? The intellect? It is precisely that which will ultimately get you nowhere in nondual spirituality. Do you think people Realize samadhi through thinking about it? It is the intellect that should be questioned, not Perception. One should remain open-minded but not gullible as far as intellect goes, otherwise keep the mind quiet and centered. As for Perception/senses, they are the stuff of life, and should never be "questioned" by the intellect, for to do so destroys the spontaneity of the NOW. A return to a "childlike" state is what many (most) of us are seeking here. >I admire the fact that you are exploring these issues at >such an early point in your life. Nice of you, but admiration is a thing of the ego and thus is of little interest to me. My "life story" is very unusual, and that's really the only reason why I believe I've been led to nonduality at such an "early age." >myself, I would offer that you would be better served to be >If you don't mind a suggestion from a real beginner like >that you read and not spend energy resisting Thank you, but I spend no energy resisting anything. There's nothing there to resist, other than what is foolishly perceived by ego to be truth. >At the same time I say this, I give you a hug and marvel >that a young man like yourself is so invested in this >exploration. Grace led me to the point in my life I'm at now. Grace, and necessity. All other paths were utterly exhausted. With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 Hi Tim G. I am such a novice that there anything I have to say is really open to question. I am realizing that I trusted my perceptions and reactions without ever questioning them. What I didn't realize was that there are many levels of perception. So now, when my ego gets all threatened (and by the way it is alive and kicking), this is a clue to me that I need to look in a more expanded way. My reactions are like an alarm on a clock, signaling me that my perceptions need examining. Frequently, I am very resistant to doing this but when I can it sure makes a difference. I think I may have offended you by saying I admire you. Maybe I was wishing that like you, I had started earlier in life with this exploration. I may be reading the tone of your last post incorrectly. I have great respect for the struggles that you have alluded to experiencing and the strides that you have made. Your ego may need no praise from me, as you mentioned. Guess, I am just the type of person who feels things pretty intensely and I am frequently impulsive in expressing feelings. Love, Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 >>Bruce: >>The Good Wife[tm] will celebrate >>her 17th consecutive 29th >>birthday this summer. Dharma: >Well, it wouldn't be my choice! On my 29th birthday I was so depressed a >professor stopped me after class to ask what was wrong. I said, "I'm 29 >today." He started to laugh.. when he could get hold of himself, he said, >"Let me tell you something. You will never feel so old again." And he was >right! > >Love, >Dharma This really made me laugh. I *hated* being twenty nine - I felt ancient. I was really depressed also. I decided to go back to college and have two more babies (I already had two). I sat my first year exams 8 and a half months pregnant, and my second year exams 7 months pregnant!!! Everybody thought I was crazy. Now, I am 39. It doesn't bother me in the least. People keep telling me I am young, and I feel younger than I did at 29. :-) Love, Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 1999 Report Share Posted March 8, 1999 At 02:29 PM 3/8/99 -0500, you wrote: >Judy Walden <judyw > Guess, I am just the type of person who feels things pretty intensely >and I am frequently impulsive in expressing feelings. > >Love, >Judy Hi Judy J.C. said... until we become as 'little children'... or something similar. One aspect of children... before we become 'browbeaten' adults is... impulsive expression of feelings. All 'paths' lead from 'there' to here, have no fear... cultivate... 'the child like'... it helps us 'hear'. ( /\ ) sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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