Tim G. - Tantra and Sexuality

[Guest guest]

jb wrote:

> >"Those people who are not chaste, given up to unchastity, they have no

hope

> >for this Ojas Power. So, Ojas is the Power which helps you to transcend

into

> >the Beyond. That is why "chastity is Life, sexuality is death.""

> >

> >Radical as this may sound, I cannot but agree.

 

Tim G. wrote:

> I cannot help but think it's the most ridiculous, dogmatic statement I've

> ever read. Sexuality is responsible for the continuance of the species,

> and without it, the Human species would die out entirely. This obsession

> with chastity in spirituality/religion has caused so many people to turn

> away from it, that otherwise would have stuck with it.

>

> Sexuality is a deep and basic part of human nature, of human life. It's

> imprinted into our cells at a deep level. A statement like the above is

> utterly ridiculous to me. What is proposed, that we learn to split in

two

> like individual cells in order to continue the species???

>

> Sexuality, if sought as an escape or for physical pleasure alone, can be

a

> barrier to spiritual growth, just like any OTHER seeking of pleasure for

> pleasure's sake. But such a sweeping condemnation of sexuality is

nothing

> short of insane.

 

Joshua writes:

Tim, it appears here that you are arguing for the human nature, for

the continance of the drama dream. Some are choosing to release this form

of identification for another, broader range of identification. Seems to

me

that at the top end of this expansion everthing would be contained in an

Awareness of Singularity.

 

Saying sexuality is necessary for the contiuance of the spiecies shows the

framework of your identifiacation, what you believe is necessary for your

version of the Dream. Saying sexuality is death is another statement of

what the Dream looks like, another statement of what is necessary to

define identiy.Either one can be meaningful or absurd, depending on where

you are in the whole process of the expanding or contracting of your

Awareness

 

For me, both these stances are fun ways of looking at ourselves in

an attempt to communicate what we have found with our explorations in

Consciousness. To me we are all sitting iin this spacio-temporal,

holograhic jungle-gym describing where we think we are in relationship to

where we imagine we are going, each of "us" with their own point of view.

 

Now I have just added my own imagining to the pot! The "I" can be as big

or small as you care to make it, as inclusive and as exclusive as you can

imagine. When this sort of fun is done, it can be dropped altogether. By

the "I", I mean the sense of self.

 

As one apparent opinion to another, what do you think? (grinning here!)

 

namaste christe.... joshua

[Guest guest]

At 04:47 PM 3/8/99 -0700, you wrote:

>Joshua writes:

>Tim, it appears here that you are arguing for the human nature, for

>the continance of the drama dream.

 

Well, dream or no dream, the human race exists in some form. Sexual

reproduction is necessary to continue the human race. Spirituality cannot

be separated from "real life" in any way, shape or form, IMO. They are the

same.

>Some are choosing to release this form

>of identification for another, broader range of identification.

 

Despite releasing the dream, the body continues, unless one chooses "karmic

dissolution." Even after realizing Moksha, the body continues to exist.

Spirituality cannot be limited to "some." It's "all" or "none" in my

opinion. Thus, I don't agree with the separation of sexuality and the

Human condition (which is INHERENTLY spiritual).

>Saying sexuality is necessary for the contiuance of the spiecies shows the

>framework of your identifiacation, what you believe is necessary for your

>version of the Dream.

 

Humanity, whether a dream or not, is part of Reality. One cannot separate

the veil of maya from Brahman. They are the same.

 

Put very simply, what if everyone were to realize their True Nature (which

would be ideal) and disengage in sex? Nobody would be left on Earth after

a hundred years or so. This, to me, is not valid.

 

Just my viewpoint.

 

With Love,

 

Tim (changing Internet providers, BTW).

formerly fewtch, now fewtch

 

NOTE: My website will be up on the old provider for awhile, but will be

changing soon.

 

 

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