Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 Dear Gloria: What you've expressed below is stated with such beautiful clarity. So often people speak of wiping out the ego or surrendering the ego, wiping out sexual desire or surrendering sexual desire but it truly is a matter of embracing and surrendering. I've often wondered what purpose it serves to surrender a part of our self that we do not understand or even dislike. Thank you for sharing. Linda Gloria: Everything in awakening is about balance. Because life is full of paradox's, this can be difficult to find that magic center point which is when clarity and understanding of the process comes together. Remember this isn't about mind, it is about surrender and understanding those things that only spirit can identify so that one moves from the state of thinking, trying, wanting, into that total state of letting go which brings about union with what is. The term ego can be very misleading because everything is not only about balance, it is about process, and transformation and it is about preparation and timing. Everybody starts from where they are. I have worked with people who have a very strong ego and identity of who they were as a person, and some with almost none. My little foster daughter for instance, at ten years old has no identity of self, because of this there is no confidence which makes it very hard to communicate anything. In her case everything starts from building up the ego, the identity, the self. I am not talking about the True Self, but the personality, the vehicle in which to work through. Before she can even move into realizations of letting go and detachment she has to acquire a self to create through. This is clearly half of the process. First you master some aspects of self creation. How do you let go of something that you don't have? First it has to have developed to a point of direct awareness. At the point it is developed it has to be used enough to understand that it is a false creator and therefore an imitation of the True self. One has to experience this enough so that the surrender begins naturally and automatically because the soul/spirit understands something is missing. This state is not brought about through intellect but through direct experience, which involves success, failure, growth. All of the things that appear to be good, bad, ups, downs, these are all part of the preparation process. Nothing is by chance, everything has purpose. When the time is right, the soul is ripe and then all of the pieces are in place for the transformation process to begin. This is why it is said, when the student is ready the teacher will appear. This doesn't mean a mental or emotional state of preparation but a soul state. When the ego has experienced enough, developed enough, and is ready to go through the purging, which is the letting go and surrender. Ego is not about right and wrong, it is a state of mind which creates blocks and barriers to the process, and then it involves the perfect set of circumstances which soul/spirit sets up to teach specifically what is ego. What comes from the lower state of human desire, thought, and illusion and that which is of God. There is a perfect time when one is ready to confront those qualities that block and create barriers. One can not assume that each individual is at that point in the process where this is appropriate, the only way of knowing this, is to be in flow and have spirit manifest it. Many people have not acquired the character and strength needed to go through the transformation process. For many it is appropriate for them to continue in the self creation mode and actually be building a strong ego. This is a discussion that needs to be brought in at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 Gloria, Thank you for sharing this. You're very wise, and your words reflect a great deal of Truth. Some people can begin deeper spiritual development with a "weak" ego structure, however they're likely to experience a great deal of suffering and fear as a result, or at least have a much more difficult time of it. I'm one of those who first 'bumped into' nonduality in 1988, when my ego structure was still very weak. It basically propelled me into panic attack disorder, the primal fear of "losing myself." In the intervening 10 years I've built up my ego to the point where I'm once again pursuing spiritual matters, and this time without significant fear or suffering :-)... Richard Moss discusses a lot of similar things to what you do in his books and tapes (www.radical-aliveness.com). He's another person who I consider very wise in the area of spiritual matters (and approaching nonduality from a Western point of view), and I've learned a lot from his books/audio tapes. With Love, Tim At 06:30 AM 3/10/99 +0100, you wrote: >Gloria Greco <lodpress > The term ego can be very misleading because everything is not only >about balance, it is about process, and transformation and it is about >preparation and timing. Everybody starts from where they are. I have >worked with people who have a very strong ego and identity of who they >were as a person, and some with almost none. > > My little foster daughter for instance, at ten years old has no >identity of self, because of this there is no confidence which makes it >very hard to communicate anything. In her case everything starts from >building up the ego, the identity, the self. I am not talking about the >True Self, but the personality, the vehicle in which to work through. >Before she can even move into realizations of letting go and detachment >she has to acquire a self to create through. This is clearly half of the >process. First you master some aspects of self creation. How do you let >go of something that you don't have? First it has to have developed to a >point of direct awareness. At the point it is developed it has to be >used enough to understand that it is a false creator and therefore an >imitation of the True self. One has to experience this enough so that >the surrender begins naturally and automatically because the soul/spirit >understands something is missing. This state is not brought about >through intellect but through direct experience, which involves success, >failure, growth. All of the things that appear to be good, bad, ups, >downs, these are all part of the preparation process. Nothing is by >chance, everything has purpose. When the time is right, the soul is >ripe and then all of the pieces are in place for the transformation >process to begin. This is why it is said, when the student is ready the >teacher will appear. This doesn't mean a mental or emotional state of >preparation but a soul state. When the ego has experienced enough, >developed enough, and is ready to go through the purging, which is the >letting go and surrender. ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 1999 Report Share Posted March 9, 1999 At 07:39 AM 3/10/99 +0100, you wrote: >Gloria: >Basically you knew this from inside and continued on the journey knowing >something was happening but not really getting under it. That's a pretty close description of what happened. I knew I had found something important and I was so excited I went on a reading binge, not even giving myself time to absorb what I read deeply. I found this came into conflict with a prior experience I had with dualistic Born Again Christianity in the past as well, which added to the fear-based nature of what eventually occurred. I have nothing against Christianity in particular, but I was experiencing fear of "The Devil" and all that I was brainwashed into believing. Let's just say I was a complete mess at the time. I won't go into HOW complete... but it was pretty complete :-) It was a "Kundalini Nuclear Bomb" that hit me, or something like that :-) >You can't get >under it to really let go and release until you see it all and feel it. >Then your ripe, your ready. I wish I had known that at the time, it would have saved a lot of suffering. I went through genuine hell for years. >Some of the pain, fear is that tearing down >of the ego. It is remembering something about what must happen but it >has to hold on, that is its job. So of course it does it pretty darn >well. This is how it should be. So the processing is a part of the >dance, it should not be put down or negated because it is essential to >the surrender. That which we humans call suffering is only breaking >down, the death of self is regeneration. It is not bad or ugly. It is >only unpleasant when the mind and emotions are connected to it. Witness >it and you watch it like a movie. No impact. When you can rejoice in it, >and be eternally greatful you have passed the point of no return. Then >you are under it. Then every moment no matter what is happening is a >part of the joy of discovery. Life is the teacher, you have your >soul/spirit memories to come forward to tell you why, you have that >powerful soul intention focusing you on the precious moment to empower >the surrender and then you let cause and effect simply evaporate before >you. This is nothing other then the process working in your behalf. HOpe >this inspires you to confront the journey with soul intention and total >joy of the dance. I don't mean this as a put-down or knocking of your own originality in any way, but you sound so much like Dr. Richard Moss. Take a quick look-see at this URL, if you like: http://www.radical-aliveness.com/awakening.htm With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Robert Weil wrote: > > Robert Weil <Robert_Weil > > Hi. > I've just managed to get minute to read some mails during my lunch break. > As a newbie to the list, may I say how glad I am to be on this list? I am > learning so much, so enjoyably! > > May I also share some thoughts on this "ego" stuff? Looks like i'm writing > a large mail here. I won't make a habit of it! > > In 1980 I had a had a fairly comprehensive "breakdown", and one of the > major challenges I faced on coming out on the other side of the dark lens > was: How do I rebuild my sense of self so that I can survive, while still > being real to my essence? Basically, I had to discover workable opinions, > beliefs (things taken as true without 100% knowledge), and groups of > thoughts that somehow defined "who I am". > > I was definitely not willing to go through the hallucinatory death of > another breakdown like the one I'd just had: a) I'd done that, been there, > and b) it had been world-shatteringly uncomfortable to my view of myself > and my life. So I had somehow to grapple with this ego business. I was in a > place where everything had equal value: life, death, good, bad, all > relative and dependant on where I stood. And I didn't have an opinion on > where I stood either. It was very difficult to make conversation.. Gloria: Everything in awakening is about balance. Because life is full of paradox's, this can be difficult to find that magic center point which is when clarity and understanding of the process comes together. Remember this isn't about mind, it is about surrender and understanding those things that only spirit can identify so that one moves from the state of thinking, trying, wanting, into that total state of letting go which brings about union with what is. The term ego can be very misleading because everything is not only about balance, it is about process, and transformation and it is about preparation and timing. Everybody starts from where they are. I have worked with people who have a very strong ego and identity of who they were as a person, and some with almost none. My little foster daughter for instance, at ten years old has no identity of self, because of this there is no confidence which makes it very hard to communicate anything. In her case everything starts from building up the ego, the identity, the self. I am not talking about the True Self, but the personality, the vehicle in which to work through. Before she can even move into realizations of letting go and detachment she has to acquire a self to create through. This is clearly half of the process. First you master some aspects of self creation. How do you let go of something that you don't have? First it has to have developed to a point of direct awareness. At the point it is developed it has to be used enough to understand that it is a false creator and therefore an imitation of the True self. One has to experience this enough so that the surrender begins naturally and automatically because the soul/spirit understands something is missing. This state is not brought about through intellect but through direct experience, which involves success, failure, growth. All of the things that appear to be good, bad, ups, downs, these are all part of the preparation process. Nothing is by chance, everything has purpose. When the time is right, the soul is ripe and then all of the pieces are in place for the transformation process to begin. This is why it is said, when the student is ready the teacher will appear. This doesn't mean a mental or emotional state of preparation but a soul state. When the ego has experienced enough, developed enough, and is ready to go through the purging, which is the letting go and surrender. Ego is not about right and wrong, it is a state of mind which creates blocks and barriers to the process, and then it involves the perfect set of circumstances which soul/spirit sets up to teach specifically what is ego. What comes from the lower state of human desire, thought, and illusion and that which is of God. There is a perfect time when one is ready to confront those qualities that block and create barriers. One can not assume that each individual is at that point in the process where this is appropriate, the only way of knowing this, is to be in flow and have spirit manifest it. Many people have not acquired the character and strength needed to go through the transformation process. For many it is appropriate for them to continue in the self creation mode and actually be building a strong ego. This is a discussion that needs to be brought in at this point. Robert: > It seemed to me that I needed a structure of thoughts in order to create > values in order to make decisions and thereby be able to act in the world. > This would enable me to eat and look after myself, and relate to others. Gloria: Absolutely, this structure is necessary to participate as a human being, to learn to love, to become a player. All of the life situations that come back from this process is what we call growth. Earth is a growth planet, it isn't so much about right and wrong, it is about openess and adventure...discovery. Robert: I > had discovered during the breakdown that my essence would remain whether or > not I died (and I was wondering if I could simply drop this existence with > its pain and heartache), and the vision I saw seemed to clearly state that > I would reincarnate should I give up living. Gloria: This is soul consciousness coming through. YOu were shown what is real and what isn't. What isn't real is that mind is in control, it is the self creator...the imitator, spirit/soul is what is real. So you can leave one body, remain in the state of mind you left with and even deteriorate in the process. One has to learn to go into rest and quiet which doesn't come from any place but soul awareness. When the soul can make contact and literally guide the conscious mind you are moving in soul consciousness. You have several methods of doing this while in the body, one is your dreams. Meditation and increasing the soul intention is the other tool, prayer, confession all of these are soul tools to bring on transformation. Therefore there was no way of > avoiding my life, whether this one or another. That left me with the task > of building something that reflected reality as far as possible. And > reality ultimately was beyond all belief. I knew that I could not explain > the essence I experienced in a conceptual way, but I had to somehow reflect > its implication by the way I created a sense of human "being". I used the I > Ching several times a day for six months as a means of developing a > structure based on fundamental and (hopefully) natural principles of > balance and duality. I think without it it would have been a lot harder to > develop a personal structure that worked on many levels. I still use it > sometimes. Beautiful system it is. And as for Lao Tse... > > Right. So building a personality to me involved a fundamental concept of > self (as opposed to "other"): there's me, and there's all that other stuff. > How I feel/think about it is a reflection of my sense of self. And this > illusion that I create is done in order to maintain some semblance of > boundary between "me" and "not me". This in turn enables me to decide > things in contrast to the surrounding field of manifestation. For example, > I can decide to run for the bus because I believe that it is important to > catch it in order to be carried to a place where I can carry out an action > that accords with a belief or value that I deem important to me at present. > I can of course change my mind and my values to accommodate missing the > bus... or I can choose to be upset that the bus left without me, according > to my sense of what is important to me. Either way, my beliefs, illusions > that they are, are part of what I call my ego, my illusion that "I" exist > (and that, by extension, anything else does). > > I can see what Harsha wrote about "who is it who is asking?" in terms of > one of my beliefs checking another of my beliefs (the belief that I am, > asking another belief that one can define essence to define itself). I have > great compassion for people who struggle to navigate through the > everchanging lightshow of existence, while they perceive an essence beyond > it. And that to me is where all this ego stuff becomes an art, one which we > can just lightly drop when we no longer need it. It seems to me the issue > is: how subtle but practical can you make your ego, such that it needn't > become your whole existence, and points like a compass towards the thing > that shows it as the illusion it is? Gloria: Yes, this is another way of saying you accept where you are as perfect, and that all that you are and were brought you to this place of recognition of the process. So that this place of awareness can be the way station for realization. This then isn't about an intellectual recognition of what is happening but a detached observation of the whole picture. In this wholeness one witness's the process without thought or emotion and in this... the detachment creates the space of surrender. Does this speak to your process? > > In contrast, psychology to me mostly attempts to deal with our tendencies > as humans to think and behave in particular ways. Projection, extroversion, > neurosis, depression, conditioning, all are tendencies, and all can be > understood as a manifestation of thought meeting physical engineering. I > think we can transcend such tendencies, but perhaps we need to understand > them first. Gloria: Realization from within what is happening is very different then trying to figure it out isn't it? I have difficulty with Freud's concept of Ego because from my > own perspective, even the Id is a tendency that we can transcend (but it > contains some natural truths that our conditioning may have estranged us > to, so it has the ability to teach naturalness). > > Well, I feel that's enough of my opinions for now. I would be very > interested in other's views on this, and grateful to hear from you. I know > very very little about Indian concepts, for instance. Gloria: You brought up a great discussion on this from your personal experience, powerful. I put the heart list on so that they can join in if it comes to them. > > Robert > > At 23:47 08/03/99 -0500, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: > >"Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar > > > >Vickie Novak wrote: (referring to ego) > > > >> > Is it better to not have any? Thanks > >> > Vickie > >> > > >> > Harsha: Better than what? Thanks Vickie. Welcome. > > > >> Vickie: I guess better than having too much. Thank you, Vickie > > > >Harsha: As long as we cannot get a handle on what ego is,to speak of "some > ego", > >or "too much ego" > >makes little sense. So the important question you raise is "What is ego"? > >Modern psychology has many answers for what the ego is. > >So do various branches of Yoga in Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, etc. > >Any answer to that question must be predicated on the assumption > >that there is such an entity called the ego. "Who" is making this assumption? > >Perhaps all questions related to ego, mind, spirituality, etc., > >require a focusing on "Who is asking these questions?". > >"Where do these questions arise from?." > >To presuppose the existence of the "ego" and then to go > >about defining it and understanding it is an exercise in eloquent futility. > >It might indeed be comforting as it is supportive of the status quo. > >Yet it is simply escapism and avoidance of the real issue. And the real > issues > >might emerge from questions asked but cannot be framed as questions > >and cannot be described in answers. > >The Tao one can speak of, is not the Eternal Tao. Let awareness be your > guide. > > > >Love to all > >Harsha > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > >Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? > > > >Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest > > > > > > > > ------ > Have you visited our new web site? > > Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Linda Callanan wrote: > > "Linda Callanan" <shastra Gloria: It is an important subject because it really speaks about the soul awareness. I had a post from a friend today who has come into this process through the natural asking...letting go, I asked him to share his dream since it directly relates to the soul clarity I am referring to here. Because he is in it naturally, his dreams are crystal clear, at least during those times when he is not in conflict but in strong soul intention, (thy will and not mine.) This is extremely important. >From my experience, dream connections are very important so that the soul/spirit will train directly and the ego/shadow will stand along and witness it. This is the most powerful teaching because it doesn't come through another person and the individual is directly relating to his/her own truth as the teacher within. Once and individual knows and understands this... they are going within to learn, the turning to God increases while the control/will, I think, I want decreases pretty fast. (Again because the soul awareness is guiding it as the teacher/Holy Spirit. Be Still and Know I Am God.) I will ask the Reno group to share here. When they use their dreams to remember through, no matter what is happening in their life, because it is their own interior soul training coming down, it is accepted almost without exception. This is a powerful interior knowing that comes through recognition of the process and understanding how enlightenment manifests one explosion at a time. > Dear Gloria: > > What you've expressed below is stated with such beautiful clarity. So often > people speak of wiping out the ego or surrendering the ego, wiping out > sexual desire or surrendering sexual desire but it truly is a matter of > embracing and surrendering. I've often wondered what purpose it serves to > surrender a part of our self that we do not understand or even dislike. > > Thank you for sharing. > > Linda > Gloria: > Everything in awakening is about balance. Because life is full of > paradox's, this can be difficult to find that magic center point which > is when clarity and understanding of the process comes together. > Remember this isn't about mind, it is about surrender and understanding > those things that only spirit can identify so that one moves from the > state of thinking, trying, wanting, into that total state of letting go > which brings about union with what is. > The term ego can be very misleading because everything is not only > about balance, it is about process, and transformation and it is about > preparation and timing. Everybody starts from where they are. I have > worked with people who have a very strong ego and identity of who they > were as a person, and some with almost none. > My little foster daughter for instance, at ten years old has no > identity of self, because of this there is no confidence which makes it > very hard to communicate anything. In her case everything starts from > building up the ego, the identity, the self. I am not talking about the > True Self, but the personality, the vehicle in which to work through. > Before she can even move into realizations of letting go and detachment > she has to acquire a self to create through. This is clearly half of the > process. First you master some aspects of self creation. How do you let > go of something that you don't have? First it has to have developed to a > point of direct awareness. At the point it is developed it has to be > used enough to understand that it is a false creator and therefore an > imitation of the True self. One has to experience this enough so that > the surrender begins naturally and automatically because the soul/spirit > understands something is missing. This state is not brought about > through intellect but through direct experience, which involves success, > failure, growth. All of the things that appear to be good, bad, ups, > downs, these are all part of the preparation process. Nothing is by > chance, everything has purpose. When the time is right, the soul is > ripe and then all of the pieces are in place for the transformation > process to begin. This is why it is said, when the student is ready the > teacher will appear. This doesn't mean a mental or emotional state of > preparation but a soul state. When the ego has experienced enough, > developed enough, and is ready to go through the purging, which is the > letting go and surrender. > > Ego is not about right and wrong, it is a state of mind which creates > blocks and barriers to the process, and then it involves the perfect set > of circumstances which soul/spirit sets up to teach specifically what is > ego. What comes from the lower state of human desire, thought, and > illusion and that which is of God. There is a perfect time when one is > ready to confront those qualities that block and create barriers. One > can not assume that each individual is at that point in the process > where this is appropriate, the only way of knowing this, is to be in > flow and have spirit manifest it. > Many people have not acquired the character and strength needed to go > through the transformation process. For many it is appropriate for them > to continue in the self creation mode and actually be building a strong > ego. > This is a discussion that needs to be brought in at this point. > > ------ > To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > Gloria, > > Thank you for sharing this. You're very wise, and your words reflect a > great deal of Truth. > > Some people can begin deeper spiritual development with a "weak" ego > structure, however they're likely to experience a great deal of suffering > and fear as a result, or at least have a much more difficult time of it. > I'm one of those who first 'bumped into' nonduality in 1988, when my ego > structure was still very weak. It basically propelled me into panic attack > disorder, the primal fear of "losing myself." In the intervening 10 years > I've built up my ego to the point where I'm once again pursuing spiritual > matters, and this time without significant fear or suffering :-)... Gloria: Basically you knew this from inside and continued on the journey knowing something was happening but not really getting under it. You can't get under it to really let go and release until you see it all and feel it. Then your ripe, your ready. Some of the pain, fear is that tearing down of the ego. It is remembering something about what must happen but it has to hold on, that is its job. So of course it does it pretty darn well. This is how it should be. So the processing is a part of the dance, it should not be put down or negated because it is essential to the surrender. That which we humans call suffering is only breaking down, the death of self is regeneration. It is not bad or ugly. It is only unpleasant when the mind and emotions are connected to it. Witness it and you watch it like a movie. No impact. When you can rejoice in it, and be eternally greatful you have passed the point of no return. Then you are under it. Then every moment no matter what is happening is a part of the joy of discovery. Life is the teacher, you have your soul/spirit memories to come forward to tell you why, you have that powerful soul intention focusing you on the precious moment to empower the surrender and then you let cause and effect simply evaporate before you. This is nothing other then the process working in your behalf. HOpe this inspires you to confront the journey with soul intention and total joy of the dance. > > Richard Moss discusses a lot of similar things to what you do in his books > and tapes (www.radical-aliveness.com). He's another person who I consider > very wise in the area of spiritual matters (and approaching nonduality from > a Western point of view), and I've learned a lot from his books/audio tapes. > > With Love, > > Tim > > At 06:30 AM 3/10/99 +0100, you wrote: > > >Gloria Greco <lodpress > > The term ego can be very misleading because everything is not only > >about balance, it is about process, and transformation and it is about > >preparation and timing. Everybody starts from where they are. I have > >worked with people who have a very strong ego and identity of who they > >were as a person, and some with almost none. > > > > My little foster daughter for instance, at ten years old has no > >identity of self, because of this there is no confidence which makes it > >very hard to communicate anything. In her case everything starts from > >building up the ego, the identity, the self. I am not talking about the > >True Self, but the personality, the vehicle in which to work through. > >Before she can even move into realizations of letting go and detachment > >she has to acquire a self to create through. This is clearly half of the > >process. First you master some aspects of self creation. How do you let > >go of something that you don't have? First it has to have developed to a > >point of direct awareness. At the point it is developed it has to be > >used enough to understand that it is a false creator and therefore an > >imitation of the True self. One has to experience this enough so that > >the surrender begins naturally and automatically because the soul/spirit > >understands something is missing. This state is not brought about > >through intellect but through direct experience, which involves success, > >failure, growth. All of the things that appear to be good, bad, ups, > >downs, these are all part of the preparation process. Nothing is by > >chance, everything has purpose. When the time is right, the soul is > >ripe and then all of the pieces are in place for the transformation > >process to begin. This is why it is said, when the student is ready the > >teacher will appear. This doesn't mean a mental or emotional state of > >preparation but a soul state. When the ego has experienced enough, > >developed enough, and is ready to go through the purging, which is the > >letting go and surrender. > > ----- > The CORE of Reality awaits you at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - > Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. > > ------ > Come check out our brand new web site! > > Onelist: Making the Internet intimate -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Gloria, Would you be so kind as to introduce me to Judy? I would like to know more about Richard Moss, and about her impressions of him - I feel as though I know him already, through his audio books. Or, could you direct me to where to to the heartlist? Thank you, Tim At 11:54 AM 3/10/99 +0100, you wrote: >Gloria: I will check it out. Judy on the heartlist is a good friend of >Richard Moss. ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > At 07:39 AM 3/10/99 +0100, you wrote: > > Tim: > > > That's a pretty close description of what happened. I knew I had found > something important and I was so excited I went on a reading binge, not > even giving myself time to absorb what I read deeply. I found this came > into conflict with a prior experience I had with dualistic Born Again > Christianity in the past as well, which added to the fear-based nature of > what eventually occurred. I have nothing against Christianity in > particular, but I was experiencing fear of "The Devil" and all that I was > brainwashed into believing. Let's just say I was a complete mess at the > time. I won't go into HOW complete... but it was pretty complete :-) It > was a "Kundalini Nuclear Bomb" that hit me, or something like that :-) Gloria: Yes, it can seem that way, yet, it was your process and therefore perfect. > > >You can't get > >under it to really let go and release until you see it all and feel it. > >Then your ripe, your ready. > > I wish I had known that at the time, it would have saved a lot of > suffering. I went through genuine hell for years. > > >Some of the pain, fear is that tearing down > >of the ego. It is remembering something about what must happen but it > >has to hold on, that is its job. So of course it does it pretty darn > >well. This is how it should be. So the processing is a part of the > >dance, it should not be put down or negated because it is essential to > >the surrender. That which we humans call suffering is only breaking > >down, the death of self is regeneration. It is not bad or ugly. It is > >only unpleasant when the mind and emotions are connected to it. Witness > >it and you watch it like a movie. No impact. When you can rejoice in it, > >and be eternally greatful you have passed the point of no return. > I don't mean this as a put-down or knocking of your own originality in any > way, but you sound so much like Dr. Richard Moss. Take a quick look-see at > this URL, if you like: Gloria: I will check it out. Judy on the heartlist is a good friend of Richard Moss. > > http://www.radical-aliveness.com/awakening.htm > > With Love, > > Tim > > ----- > The CORE of Reality awaits you at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - > Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. > > ------ > Ta Da! Come see our new web site! > > Onelist: A free email community service -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > Gloria, > > Would you be so kind as to introduce me to Judy? I would like to know more > about Richard Moss, and about her impressions of him - I feel as though I > know him already, through his audio books. Or, could you direct me to > where to to the heartlist? > > Thank you, > > Tim HI Tim, If you want to come on to the heart list I will have Tim put you on. Tim Seewald runs it for me, I will introduce you to Judy though, no problem. In fact I put her on this post so that she can talk to you. Judy will you talk about Richard Moss to Tim? > > At 11:54 AM 3/10/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Gloria: I will check it out. Judy on the heartlist is a good friend of > >Richard Moss. > > ----- > The CORE of Reality awaits you at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - > Poetry, Writings, even Live Chat on spiritual topics. > > ------ > We have a new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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