Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 "Some say that by controlling internal nature we control everything. Others that by controlling external nature we control everything. Carried to the extreme both are right, because in nature there is no such division as internal or external. These are fictitious limitations that never existed. The externalists and the internalists are destined to meet at the same point, when both reach the extreme of their knowledge. Just as a physicist, when he pushes his knowledge to its limits, finds it melting away into metaphysics, so an metaphysician will find that what he calls mind and matter are but apparent distinctions, the reality being One." "The more intently you think of the well-being of others, the more oblivious of self you become. In this way, as gradually your heart gets purified by work, you will come to feel the truth that your own Self is pervading all beings and all things. Thus it is that doing good to others constitutes a way, a means of revealing one's own Self or Atman. Know this also to be one of the spiritual practices, a discipline for God-realization." "That way, which your nature makes it absolutely necessary for you to take, is the right way. Each one of us is born with a peculiarity of nature as a result of our past existence. Either we call it our own reincarnated past experience or a hereditary past; whatever way we may put it, we are the result of the past--that is absolutely certain, through whatever channels that past may have come. It naturally follows that each one of us is an effect, of which our past has been the cause; and as such, there is a peculiar movement, a peculiar train, in each one of us; and therefore each one will have to find the way for himself." "Work on with the intrepidity of a lion, but at the same time with the tenderness of a flower." "Those who work without any consciousness of their lower ego are not affected with evil, for they work for the good of the world. To work without motive, to work unattached, brings the highest bliss and freedom." "A man used to solitude, if brought into contact with the surging whirlpool of the world, will be crushed by it; just as the fish that lives in the deep sea water, as soon as it is brought to the surface, breaks into pieces, deprived of the weight of water on it that had kept it together. Can a man who has been used to the turmoil and the rush of life live at ease if he comes to a quiet place? He suffers and perchance may lose his mind. The ideal man is he who, in the midest of the greatest silence and solitude, finds the intensest activity, and in the midst of the intensest activity finds the silence and solitude of the desert." "Isolation of the soul from all objects, mental and physical, is the goal; when that is attained, the soul will find that it was alone all the time, and it required no one to make it happy. As long as we require someone else to make us happy, we are slaves." "There is really no difference between mind, matter, and Spirit. They are only different phases of experiencing the One. This very world is seen by the five senses as matter, by the very wicked as hell, by the good as heaven, and by the perfect as God." "The first thing to be got rid of by him who would be a jnani is fear. Fear is one of our worst enemies. Next, believe in nothing until you KNOW it. Constantly tell yourself, "I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am not thought, I am not even consciousness; I am the Atman." When you can throw away ALL, only the true self will remain." "I will compare truth to a corrosive substance of infinite power. It burns its way in wherever it falls--in soft substance at once, hard granite slowly, but it must." "When there is conflict between the heart and the brain, let the heart be followed, because intellect has only one state, reason, and within that, intellect works, and cannot gewt beyond. It is the heart which takes one to the highest plane, which intellect can never reach; it goes beyond intellect, and reaches to what is called inspiration." "All these secret societies and humbugs make men and women impure, weak and narrow; and the weak have no will, and can never work. Therefore have nothing to do with them. All this false love of mystery should be knocked on the head the first time it comes into your mind. Do not try to cover festering sores with masses of roses. Do you think you can cheat God? None can. Give me a straightforward man or woman; but Lord save me from ghosts, flying angels, and devils. Be common, everyday, nice people." ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 At 10:02 AM 3/12/99 +0100, you wrote: >Gloria Greco <lodpress <snipped entire repost of my post(s)> >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Everyone alive today has accepted life as a teacher, to one extent or another (there's no real choice in the matter). The real question is - who is listening to the teachings, and who isn't? :-) With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > "Some say that by controlling internal nature we control everything. > Others that by controlling external nature we control everything. Carried > to the extreme both are right, because in nature there is no such division > as internal or external. These are fictitious limitations that never > existed. The externalists and the internalists are destined to meet at the > same point, when both reach the extreme of their knowledge. Just as a > physicist, when he pushes his knowledge to its limits, finds it melting > away into metaphysics, so an metaphysician will find that what he calls > mind and matter are but apparent distinctions, the reality being One." > > "The more intently you think of the well-being of others, the more > oblivious of self you become. In this way, as gradually your heart gets > purified by work, you will come to feel the truth that your own Self is > pervading all beings and all things. Thus it is that doing good to others > constitutes a way, a means of revealing one's own Self or Atman. Know this > also to be one of the spiritual practices, a discipline for God-realization." > > "That way, which your nature makes it absolutely necessary for you to take, > is the right way. Each one of us is born with a peculiarity of nature as a > result of our past existence. Either we call it our own reincarnated past > experience or a hereditary past; whatever way we may put it, we are the > result of the past--that is absolutely certain, through whatever channels > that past may have come. It naturally follows that each one of us is an > effect, of which our past has been the cause; and as such, there is a > peculiar movement, a peculiar train, in each one of us; and therefore each > one will have to find the way for himself." > > "Work on with the intrepidity of a lion, but at the same time with the > tenderness of a flower." > > "Those who work without any consciousness of their lower ego are not > affected with evil, for they work for the good of the world. To work > without motive, to work unattached, brings the highest bliss and freedom." > > "A man used to solitude, if brought into contact with the surging whirlpool > of the world, will be crushed by it; just as the fish that lives in the > deep sea water, as soon as it is brought to the surface, breaks into > pieces, deprived of the weight of water on it that had kept it together. > Can a man who has been used to the turmoil and the rush of life live at > ease if he comes to a quiet place? He suffers and perchance may lose his > mind. The ideal man is he who, in the midest of the greatest silence and > solitude, finds the intensest activity, and in the midst of the intensest > activity finds the silence and solitude of the desert." > > "Isolation of the soul from all objects, mental and physical, is the goal; > when that is attained, the soul will find that it was alone all the time, > and it required no one to make it happy. As long as we require someone > else to make us happy, we are slaves." > > "There is really no difference between mind, matter, and Spirit. They are > only different phases of experiencing the One. This very world is seen by > the five senses as matter, by the very wicked as hell, by the good as > heaven, and by the perfect as God." > > "The first thing to be got rid of by him who would be a jnani is fear. > Fear is one of our worst enemies. Next, believe in nothing until you KNOW > it. Constantly tell yourself, "I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am > not thought, I am not even consciousness; I am the Atman." When you can > throw away ALL, only the true self will remain." > > "I will compare truth to a corrosive substance of infinite power. It burns > its way in wherever it falls--in soft substance at once, hard granite > slowly, but it must." > > "When there is conflict between the heart and the brain, let the heart be > followed, because intellect has only one state, reason, and within that, > intellect works, and cannot gewt beyond. It is the heart which takes one > to the highest plane, which intellect can never reach; it goes beyond > intellect, and reaches to what is called inspiration." > > "All these secret societies and humbugs make men and women impure, weak and > narrow; and the weak have no will, and can never work. Therefore have > nothing to do with them. All this false love of mystery should be knocked > on the head the first time it comes into your mind. Do not try to cover > festering sores with masses of roses. Do you think you can cheat God? > None can. Give me a straightforward man or woman; but Lord save me from > ghosts, flying angels, and devils. Be common, everyday, nice people." > > ----- > The CORE of Reality awaits you at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - > Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. > > ------ > Come check out our brand new web site! > > Onelist: Making the Internet intimate -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 Thanks Tim for your Vivekananda posts. Maureen posted your note on the kundalini list as well. Swami Vivekananda's large picture hung beautifully framed in my grandfather's living room ever since I can remember. Vivekananda's lectures on yoga (he speaks of Kundalini Shakti also) are classic and he was instrumental in being the one of the first pioneers to bridge the east and the west. I read Sri Ramakrishna's gospel as a youth. What an inspirational book it was for me, although many people would certainly consider Ramakrishna Paramhansa "strange" from the modern western psychological perspective. From a spiritual perspective, he was authentic and solid gold. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Everyone alive today has accepted life as a teacher, to one extent or > another (there's no real choice in the matter). The real question is - who > is listening to the teachings, and who isn't? :-) > Janpa: Life is a teacher isnt it! But i think one must be careful what lessons one picks up. My teacher sez that we are very very good at the things that cause suffering. So while life is the teacher, one must also employ wisdom in its lessons so one doesnt increase desire and things that only propegate more selfishness instead of Selfishness (did i just say that!). (giggle) i can see very much a usefulness for this idea of a big self, if everyone is me, then how can i hurt them? altho imo, its more like a mixing up of everything, like realizing its ok to fall off a cliff in the effort of teaching someone about impermanance because one is antfood to begin with (this is a reference to something in my own life, from hitting my head over a puzzle, and then laughing when my guru manifested as some ants on the temple floor showing me the answer.) --jt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > At 10:02 AM 3/12/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Gloria Greco <lodpress > > <snipped entire repost of my post(s)> > > >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. > > Everyone alive today has accepted life as a teacher, to one extent or > another (there's no real choice in the matter). The real question is - who > is listening to the teachings, and who isn't? :-) > > With Love, > > Tim Gloria: You can only listen and relate directly to the experience once the conscious mind has started on its journey. Until then ignorance is bliss, but that time does come when the soul/spirit has made the contact and it registered. This is why you are focused and seeking is it not? > > ----- > The CORE of Reality awaits you at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - > Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. > > ------ > To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and > select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 At 08:41 AM 3/12/99 -0600, you wrote: >"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 > >On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Tim Gerchmez wrote: >> >> Everyone alive today has accepted life as a teacher, to one extent or >> another (there's no real choice in the matter). The real question is - who >> is listening to the teachings, and who isn't? :-) >> >Janpa: Life is a teacher isnt it! But i think one must be careful what >lessons one picks up. My teacher sez that we are very very good at the >things that cause suffering. So while life is the teacher, one must also >employ wisdom in its lessons so one doesnt increase desire and things that >only propegate more selfishness instead of Selfishness (did i just say >that!). I might choose to coin a new term instead, and compare selfishness to SelfFullFillMentNess (er... or something like that) ;-) >(giggle) i can see very much a usefulness for this idea of a big self, if >everyone is me, then how can i hurt them? There's a flip side to that coin. Hurt yourself, and you're hurting others. Hurt others, and you would only be hurting Yourself. Thus, an end to hurting is "the way to go," I would say. >altho imo, its more like a >mixing up of everything, like realizing its ok to fall off a cliff in the >effort of teaching someone about impermanance because one is antfood to >begin with Wellll.. that might be going too far for me (heheheh).. although I know for a fact that such a jump would result in either eternal rest in Brahman or a re-incarnation. But I have no desire to go through the teenage years again, if I can avoid it. Ugggghhhh! ;-) With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 At 09:24 PM 3/12/99 +0100, you wrote: >Gloria: > You can only listen and relate directly to the experience once the >conscious mind has started on its journey. Mostly true, but there are a few exceptional individuals who just seem to "get it" without the start of any particular journey at all. But for most, I would agree. >Until then ignorance is >bliss, .... and sometimes suffering as well ... >but that time does come when the soul/spirit has made the contact >and it registered. This is why you are focused and seeking is it not? That's why I'm focused, but I'm not currently seeking anything. That which I used to seek is within me already, is already there, is already found. All I'm trying to do now is to "clean the glass" so I can see what's there more clearly. With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 Thank you so much for those quotes, Tim. "I will compare truth to a corrosive substance of infinite power. It burns its way in wherever it falls--in soft substance at once, hard granite slowly, but it must." (Vivekananda) Why one faster than the other? Are they things more "solid" than others against the infusion of truth? "There is really no difference between mind, matter, and Spirit. They are only different phases of experiencing the One. This very world is seen by the five senses as matter, by the very wicked as hell, by the good as heaven, and by the perfect as God." (Vivekananda) Yes, yes, and YES ... Still wonder are all not "all-ready" perfect and why not for some if so? >From another email, Gloria: >Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Tim: Everyone alive today has accepted life as a teacher, to one extent or another (there's no real choice in the matter). The real question is - who is listening to the teachings, and who isn't? :-) Is someone or something not listening? Enjoy, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 At 08:02 PM 3/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >Antoine <carrea > >Thank you so much for those quotes, Tim. > >"I will compare truth to a corrosive substance of infinite power. It >burns its way in wherever it falls--in soft substance at once, hard >granite slowly, but it must." (Vivekananda) > >Why one faster than the other? Are they things more "solid" than others >against the infusion of truth? I believe Vivekananda meant that some are resistant to Truth, would rather prolong the ego - such people would be the hard granite. >"There is really no difference between mind, matter, and Spirit. They >are only different phases of experiencing the One. This very world is >seen by the five senses as matter, by the very wicked as hell, by the >good as heaven, and by the perfect as God." (Vivekananda) > >Yes, yes, and YES ... > >Still wonder are all not "all-ready" perfect and why not for some if so? All are, but you need to read more of his quotes to see what he's saying. He means "wicked" and "good in the "literal" sense, as perhaps shown by the deeds of a person, or perhaps in degrees of spiritual growth. Many of Vivekananda's quotes are addressed to the dualistic mind, to point to nondualism, not to a person who is already well on the way to realization. >Tim: >Everyone alive today has accepted life as a teacher, to one extent or >another (there's no real choice in the matter). The real question is - >who is listening to the teachings, and who isn't? :-) > >Is someone or something not listening? Certainly, there are plenty who close their ears. Go to any dualistic Christian church, such as a southern baptist church, and see how they close themselves against the true teachings of Life, how God is some demon in the sky ready to cast the sinner into hell and the saint into heaven. They sing hymns louder and louder, so as to drown out the Eternal OM pervading all! God, save me from a God such as this!!! With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 At 10:33 AM 3/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >Gloria: > >> >Until then ignorance is >> >bliss, >> >> ... and sometimes suffering as well ... > >Gloria: > Suffering is a way to learn on this planet. Consider how much surrender >and turning within happens through suffering. Suffering is indeed a way to learn. However, there is a type of "ignorant suffering" that is often only that; suffering. More human beings seem to suffer in ignorance and learn little from it than those who accept suffering as a lesson. Many cling so strongly and fearfully to the ego that suffering becomes a way of life. There are even those called sadomasochists who have learned to ENJOY suffering as an end in itself, especially the suffering of others. To me this is ultimate perversion of ego. I maintain that much of suffering is a way to learn, but certainly not all. For example, if suffering ends in successful suicide, little or nothing has been learned. With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 At 11:26 AM 3/13/99 +0100, you wrote: >> I maintain that much of suffering is a way to learn, but certainly not all. >> For example, if suffering ends in successful suicide, little or nothing >> has been learned. > >Gloria: >Agreed again. Whereever you are on this side puts you in the same space >on the other side. Not a good idea. Really ignorance at its peak. I've heard from people I trust in such matters that for those who commit suicide it can be even a worse space on the other side, because the tempering influence of (illusory) physical form is gone. There's no longer anything that can potentially distract from the negative state... the successful suicide case has basically *BECOME* the negative state. Thus, negative feelings become magnified 100-fold. Not a happy place to be :-/ ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > > At 09:24 PM 3/12/99 +0100, you wrote: > > >Gloria: > > You can only listen and relate directly to the experience once the > >conscious mind has started on its journey. > > Mostly true, but there are a few exceptional individuals who just seem to > "get it" without the start of any particular journey at all. But for most, > I would agree. Gloria: This means they were already on the path and just picked it up. > > >Until then ignorance is > >bliss, > > ... and sometimes suffering as well ... Gloria: Suffering is a way to learn on this planet. Consider how much surrender and turning within happens through suffering. > > >but that time does come when the soul/spirit has made the contact > >and it registered. This is why you are focused and seeking is it not? > > That's why I'm focused, but I'm not currently seeking anything. That which > I used to seek is within me already, is already there, is already found. > All I'm trying to do now is to "clean the glass" so I can see what's there > more clearly. Gloria: Good way to put it. > > With Love, > > Tim > > ----- > The CORE of Reality awaits you at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - > Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. > > ------ > Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? > > Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 "This is no world. It is God Himself. In delusion we call it world." "The first sign that you are becoming religious is that you are becoming cheerful." --> For Sandeep "If superstition enters, the brain is gone." "Superstition is a great enemy of man, but bigotry is worse." "What the world wants is character. The world is in need of those whose life is one burning love, selfless. That love will make every word tell like a thunderbolt." "We are always after Truth, but never want to get it." "Woman has suffered for eons, and that has given her infinite patience and infinite perseverance." "The idea of perfect womanhood is perfect independence" (this in the late 1800's!!) "All is the Self or Brahman. The saint, the sinner, the lamb, the tiger, even the murderer, as far as they have any reality, can be nothing else, because there is nothing else." "Go on saying 'I am free.' Never mind if the next moment delusion comes and says 'I am bound.' Dehypnotize the whole thing." "Do something for your souls! Do wrong if you please, but do something!" "Perfection does not come from belief or faith. Talk does not count for anything. Parrots can do that. Perfection comes through the disinterested performance of action." .... Vivekananda Helplessly, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > > > At 10:33 AM 3/13/99 +0100, you wrote: > >Gloria: > > > >> Tim Gerchmez <fewtch > Suffering is indeed a way to learn. However, there is a type of "ignorant > suffering" that is often only that; suffering. More human beings seem to > suffer in ignorance and learn little from it than those who accept > suffering as a lesson. Many cling so strongly and fearfully to the ego > that suffering becomes a way of life. There are even those called > sadomasochists who have learned to ENJOY suffering as an end in itself, > especially the suffering of others. Gloria: Yes, indeed, they get stuck in the processing and actually turn it into self gratification. This is a very dangerous place to land. I have a dear friend who has done this. When any thought form becomes self fulfilling, the individual continues to create the suffering. To me this is ultimate perversion of ego. Gloria: I agree. > > I maintain that much of suffering is a way to learn, but certainly not all. > For example, if suffering ends in successful suicide, little or nothing > has been learned. Gloria: Agreed again. Whereever you are on this side puts you in the same space on the other side. Not a good idea. Really ignorance at its peak. > > With Love, > > Tim > > ----- > The CORE of Reality awaits you at: > http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - > Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. > > ------ > We have a new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services -- Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher. Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at : lodpress and visit our homepages at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ & http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/ Hope you enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 1999 Report Share Posted March 13, 1999 Message: 15 Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:21:43 -0800 Tim Gerchmez <fewtch Re: More Words of Vivekananda Tim said: "Everyone alive today has accepted life as a teacher, to one extent or another (there's no real choice in the matter). The real question is - who is listening to the teachings, and who isn't? :-)" Antoine: "Is someone or something not listening?" Tim: "Certainly, there are plenty who close their ears. Go to any dualistic Christian church, such as a southern baptist church, and see how they close themselves against the true teachings of Life, how God is some demon in the sky ready to cast the sinner into hell and the saint into heaven. They sing hymns louder and louder, so as to drown out the Eternal OM pervading all! God, save me from a God such as this!!!". Having been a music DJ young, (or is it DG?, - for someone mixing the music at parties -), it always had been hard for me to answer to people asking me, then : "What kind of music you don't like?". If i felt like answering i would say: i love all of them, i simply have to learn to listen to it with the ear of someone who likes it for me to like it myself. If i felt the person would not understand my answer, and needed for me not to like a kind at least of music. I would say: i don't like country music. Since then i have been with people born in country music culture, and could find in it, the way they listened to the music, and all the "reasons" for my ear to come to like that kind of music a well. Comparing music to Religion, by closing my "ear" to how someone, raised around a southern baptist church, listen to life, does it not limit on how i may listen to it also? Today someone asking me "what kind of life do you like?" I will most probably answer All. I just have to learn to listen with the life "pattern" of someone who likes one way of life i don't yet know. If i felt the person would not understand my answer, and needed for me not to like a kind, at least, of way of life. Probably i would say to him or it, i don't like pain. But i would not be listening in that last answer, and would come to believe that they are others who are not listening as well. Enjoy, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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