P.S. to Gemini,

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Tim,

I understand. I am singularly the only one of my kind within this region.

There is much that is said that could be regarded if the mind were so inclined.

With regard to the words of others, neither give them any weight, nor ignore

them...they are literally of no consequence...read the first post that I made to

the list many times...there are messages within the message. I give the words of

my Shri Gurudev Nityananda:

"One must live in the world like common men. Once established in infinite

consciousness, one becomes silent and, knowing all, goes about as if knowing

nothing. Although he may be doing many things in several places, he outwardly

appears as if he is simply a witness of life--like a spectator at the cinema. he

is unaffected by events, whether pleasant or unpleasant. The ability to forget

everthing and remain detached is the highest state possible."

---Bhagawan Nityananda

 

There is no higher goal than this my friend. Any sentient being who is

quick to condemn and full of words speaks only matti (useless, dust; of no

consequence). His heart is the heart of a fool. A fool has no jurisdiction over

you; you know this in your mind, now establish this simple truth in your heart.

Bhakti,

Marcus

Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

< >

Sunday, March 14, 1999 5:10 AM

P.S. to Gemini,

 

 

Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

 

 

Dear Gemini,

>Hi Tim,

> Remember my friend, every single soul will become Self realised. You

said it very succinctly; "nobody can >save their sould but themSelves. The

Self within, Divine Grace will apoint the moment of shaktipat. Rejoice that

>this one is this far. And remember, love everything you see and hear,

think and do; love all with equanimity; this >is the body of Shiva--we all

of us have personal friends, but they are no more or less Divine Chiti than

the pesky >neighbor next door. Your friend is Divine Chiti as well; take no

pity on him. The whole issue will resolve of its >own accord. Trust in this.

 

P.S... the guy I referred to is actually not a friend of mine in the

conventional sense, in fact he has mercilessly "insulted me" on usenet as

"defending the evil dualistic way of life" and accused me of being a

"spiritual pretender" or something like that. It is precisely the love you

mention that drives me to wish for His liberation. I know that all souls

will reach it, and I do not experience so much a feeling of pity as a

fervent wish; more comparable to the feeling of a father for his son when

he sees he is using heroin, a deep wish based on love that he would just

open his eyes for one moment. But your words reassure me (especially the

reminder to rejoice that He is as far as He is), and I offer my thanks.

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

 

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Dear Gemini,

>Hi Tim,

> Remember my friend, every single soul will become Self realised. You

said it very succinctly; "nobody can >save their sould but themSelves. The

Self within, Divine Grace will apoint the moment of shaktipat. Rejoice that

>this one is this far. And remember, love everything you see and hear,

think and do; love all with equanimity; this >is the body of Shiva--we all

of us have personal friends, but they are no more or less Divine Chiti than

the pesky >neighbor next door. Your friend is Divine Chiti as well; take no

pity on him. The whole issue will resolve of its >own accord. Trust in this.

 

P.S... the guy I referred to is actually not a friend of mine in the

conventional sense, in fact he has mercilessly "insulted me" on usenet as

"defending the evil dualistic way of life" and accused me of being a

"spiritual pretender" or something like that. It is precisely the love you

mention that drives me to wish for His liberation. I know that all souls

will reach it, and I do not experience so much a feeling of pity as a

fervent wish; more comparable to the feeling of a father for his son when

he sees he is using heroin, a deep wish based on love that he would just

open his eyes for one moment. But your words reassure me (especially the

reminder to rejoice that He is as far as He is), and I offer my thanks.

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

 

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Dear Marcus,

 

 

Thank you for these words.

 

 

To be honest, I feel as much or more concern for those that this person

(who claims "extraordinary spiritual insight" of a nondual nature) has

wronged with his words and deeds than for the person himself. Certainly,

in the Ultimate sense no wrong can take place. But these people don't

understand that, and live solely in maya. For those living only in maya,

suffering is very real.

 

 

I do believe that detachment is the highest state. But this is a case of

EMPATHY, not pity. I find that I'm unable to help having concern for the

blind, the maimed, the injured. Detachment may be better, but to see a

blind man unintentionally mistake gasoline for water and injure himself

and many people is a painful thing to watch.

 

 

I do not deny this pain, or push it away. It is there. I simply observe

it, along with the wish to do something about it, not allowing it to turn

into suffering. There is nothing that can be done.

 

 

Thank you again,

 

 

With Love,

 

 

Tim

 

 

 

At 11:08 PM 3/13/99 -0000, you wrote:

>>>>

 

<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Verdana</param>Tim,

 

I understand. I am singularly the only one of my kind within this

region. There is much that is said that could be regarded if the mind

were so inclined. With regard to the words of others, neither give them

any weight, nor ignore them...they are literally of no consequence...read

the first post that I made to the list many times...there are messages

within the message. I give the words of my Shri Gurudev Nityananda:

 

"One must live in the world like common men. Once established in

infinite consciousness, one becomes silent and, knowing all, goes about

as if knowing nothing. Although he may be doing many things in several

places, he outwardly appears as if he is simply a witness of life--like a

spectator at the cinema. he is unaffected by events, whether pleasant or

unpleasant. The ability to forget everthing and remain detached is the

highest state possible." ---Bhagawan

Nityananda

 

</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param> There is no higher goal than this

my friend. Any sentient being who is quick to condemn and full of words

speaks only matti (useless, dust; of no consequence). His heart is the

heart of a fool. A fool has no jurisdiction over you; you know this in

your mind, now establish this simple truth in your heart.

 

Bhakti,

 

Marcus

 

</fontfamily></excerpt>

 

 

 

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Tim,

Your in good company friend. I was born an Empath; a very different kind of

road with it's own peculiarities distinct from the common issues surrounding the

maintstream seeker. Keep on keeping on!

Bhakti,

Marcus

Tim Gerchmez <fewtch

< >

Sunday, March 14, 1999 6:14 AM

Re: P.S. to Gemini,

 

 

Tim Gerchmez

 

 

Dear Marcus,

 

Thank you for these words.

 

To be honest, I feel as much or more concern for those that this person (who

claims "extraordinary spiritual insight" of a nondual nature) has wronged with

his words and deeds than for the person himself. Certainly, in the Ultimate

sense no wrong can take place. But these people don't understand that, and live

solely in maya. For those living only in maya, suffering is very real.

 

I do believe that detachment is the highest state. But this is a case of

EMPATHY, not pity. I find that I'm unable to help having concern for the blind,

the maimed, the injured. Detachment may be better, but to see a blind man

unintentionally mistake gasoline for water and injure himself and many people is

a painful thing to watch.

 

I do not deny this pain, or push it away. It is there. I simply observe it,

along with the wish to do something about it, not allowing it to turn into

suffering. There is nothing that can be done.

 

Thank you again,

 

With Love,

 

Tim

 

 

At 11:08 PM 3/13/99 -0000, you wrote:

>>>>

 

Tim,

I understand. I am singularly the only one of my kind within this

region. There is much that is said that could be regarded if the mind were so

inclined. With regard to the words of others, neither give them any weight, nor

ignore them...they are literally of no consequence...read the first post that I

made to the list many times...there are messages within the message. I give the

words of my Shri Gurudev Nityananda:

"One must live in the world like common men. Once established in

infinite consciousness, one becomes silent and, knowing all, goes about as if

knowing nothing. Although he may be doing many things in several places, he

outwardly appears as if he is simply a witness of life--like a spectator at the

cinema. he is unaffected by events, whether pleasant or unpleasant. The ability

to forget everthing and remain detached is the highest state possible."

---Bhagawan Nityananda

 

There is no higher goal than this my friend. Any sentient being who is

quick to condemn and full of words speaks only matti (useless, dust; of no

consequence). His heart is the heart of a fool. A fool has no jurisdiction over

you; you know this in your mind, now establish this simple truth in your heart.

Bhakti,

Marcus

 

 

 

 

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Hi Dharma,

Yes, it is Nityananda of Ganeshpuri.

Bhakti

Marcus

Dharma <fisher1

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Sunday, March 14, 1999 7:36 PM

Re: P.S. to Gemini,

 

 

Dharma <fisher1

 

Hi Marcus,

>I give the words of my Shri Gurudev Nityananda:

"One must live in the world like common men. Once established in

infinite consciousness, one becomes silent and, knowing all, goes about as

if knowing nothing. Although he may be doing many things in several

places, he outwardly appears as if he is simply a witness of life--like a

spectator at the cinema. he is unaffected by events, whether pleasant or

unpleasant. The ability to forget everthing and remain detached is the

highest state possible."

---Bhagawan Nityananda

 

Is your guru the same Bhagawan Nityananda who was Swami Muktananda's guru?

 

Love,

Dharma

 

 

 

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Hi Marcus,

>I give the words of my Shri Gurudev Nityananda:

"One must live in the world like common men. Once established in

infinite consciousness, one becomes silent and, knowing all, goes about as

if knowing nothing. Although he may be doing many things in several

places, he outwardly appears as if he is simply a witness of life--like a

spectator at the cinema. he is unaffected by events, whether pleasant or

unpleasant. The ability to forget everthing and remain detached is the

highest state possible."

---Bhagawan Nityananda

 

Is your guru the same Bhagawan Nityananda who was Swami Muktananda's guru?

 

Love,

Dharma