Guest guest Posted March 14, 1999 Report Share Posted March 14, 1999 Hi Everyone, There was an ongoing discussion of U.G. Krishnamurti on another list recently, so I would like to offer my comments here. Perhaps someone could repost this to the NondualitySalon list, as Jerry no longer wants me there. For those who have not read his works, you can do so at http://www.well.com/user/jct/index.html. After reading many of his works, including his biography at the link above, I meditated long last night on the sayings of U.G., and came to the conclusion that something unusual indeed happened to him, but it had nothing at all to do with moksha or with nirvikalpa samadhi. This man is operating on the level of the limbic system, or reptilian brain. Truly, in a way it seems he's devolved into a type of reptile (he has been compared to a cobra). His claims that his physical body died and then revived again are absurd, although I will admit the remote possibility. If such a thing happened, then when the body revived, it no longer contained a soul, and U.G. Krishnamurti is the only true zombie currently walking the Earth. Perhaps his body simply survives on the reflections of Atman in other bodies and other things. He claims that periodically his body "dies" physically and revives again. Whatever it is, this man is either a complete fraud (doubtful) or is no longer human. He seems to act as an addictive drug to people, and people who meet him cannot stay away, cannot help themselves, tend to form a powerful *attachment* to this man which is destructive to their own spiritual growth. U.G. says "I have nothing to offer mankind." Such a statement should be taken at face value, and there is no reason to bother reading a single word of his (although his biography is interesting). To meet such a creature in person could endanger spiritual growth, IMO. Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 1999 Report Share Posted March 14, 1999 Hi Tim, What happened to not judging? >I have met at least one person who is stuck at that critical juncture you >mention, who is not liberated, who continues to mercilessly judge the world >of Maya, and thus ultimately loses Himself.... He is stuck into the >judgemental pattern so strongly that.... --------- >...something unusual indeed happened to him, but it had >nothing at all to do with moksha or with nirvikalpa samadhi. This man is >operating on the level of the limbic system, or reptilian brain. Truly, in >a way it seems he's devolved into a type of reptile (he has been compared >to a cobra). His claims that his physical body died and then revived again >are absurd, although I will admit the remote possibility. If such a thing >happened, then when the body revived, it no longer contained a soul, and >U.G. Krishnamurti is the only true zombie currently walking the Earth. >Perhaps his body simply survives on the reflections of Atman in other >bodies and other things. He claims that periodically his body "dies" >physically and revives again. > >Whatever it is, this man is either a complete fraud (doubtful) or is no >longer human. He seems to act as an addictive drug to people, and people >who meet him cannot stay away, cannot help themselves, tend to form a >powerful *attachment* to this man which is destructive to their own >spiritual growth. > >U.G. says "I have nothing to offer mankind." Such a statement should be >taken at face value, and there is no reason to bother reading a single word >of his (although his biography is interesting). To meet such a creature in >person could endanger spiritual growth, IMO. > >Tim > > >----- >The CORE of Reality awaits you at: >http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - >Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. > >------ >To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and >select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 1999 Report Share Posted March 15, 1999 At 09:11 PM 3/14/99 -0600, you wrote: >Dharma <fisher1 > >Hi Tim, > >What happened to not judging? Hmm... there's a fine line between judging someone and making an observation based on opinion. I was only reporting on what my impressions were of the people below, not making absolute judgements like I'm the final authority on the matter. At least, I think I was. Maybe I crossed the line. With Love, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 1999 Report Share Posted March 15, 1999 Hi Tim, >> >>What happened to not judging? > >Hmm... there's a fine line between judging someone and making an >observation based on opinion. I was only reporting on what my impressions >were of the people below, not making absolute judgements like I'm the final >authority on the matter. At least, I think I was. Maybe I crossed the line. I don't know, Tim. I've been thinking. It's easy not to judge at all if you can live a holy life apart from the world... a life of constant meditation and bliss... But for those of us who live in the world, it's necessary to make some judgements. We do it all the time. Which lawyer to go to? Who can be trusted? How to explain to your children that not all grownups are nice people, and you just don't take candy from other people or get in a car with other people besides your parents? People knock on your door and want to come in... but you don't let them all in... you have to make a judgment... I'd like to see some discussion on judging people when you're living in the world. Are there any criteria or guidelines? Is there a line we don't want to cross? Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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