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"Madhya Nandi" <madhya

harshasatsang

[Tantrasadhana] Sensation, Self and Ego

Mon, Mar 15, 1999, 8:03 AM

 

 

Satsanghers;

 

 

Here is another perspective on this issue. It seems to me that much of the

conversation thus far wants to suggest that 'this' is felt by the 'ego',

while 'this' is not. Or, somewhat in contrast, the ego feels thusly while

the 'true Self' feels in this way, or even not at all.

 

I suggest that the Self is in fact experiencing everything. There is no ego

involved. What one believes to be the ego, is actually the Self. That 'I"

sense that one experiences is not at all separate from anything--it is Me

experiencing mySelf. I don't believe that it is the case that the 'ego' and

the 'Self' are different or that one experiences one in a substantively

different manner from the other. It is not experience that is 'illusion',

right or wrong, true or false, but the sense that a separate ego exists that

is experiencing apart from the One Experiencer. It might be suggested that

when one ceases to perceive one's experience of any and all experience as

'different' from the Self that is always already experiencing all things,

that this 'shift' in perspective will simply endow the (S)elf to accept

herself and whatever is occurring--no matter what the nature of the

experience. Since all is Self, the relief of 'suffering' is not the

disappearance of any particular sensation, but rather the disappearance of

the sense that what is occurring is happening to an alienated 'me' that

stands apart from the all-encompassing Self that We all are. It is this

very 'shift' in perspective that enlightens our experience of our own

Sensation such that we recognize our pain to be our very own, not different

from us in any way. In light of this realization, 'suffering' departs.

That is, it does not occur to us to think what is occurring ought or ought

not to be happening to us, to 'me.' The Self recognizes that Self is all

experience and all sensation equally--pain and pleasure, ecstasy and

depression.

 

This realization, I suggest, is 'freedom' from bondage to the 'ego'--that

is, ignorance of our own Self as the author of all experience of all

Experience.

 

 

Madhya

 

Madhya

[Guest guest]

Thank you, Madhya.

 

 

with love

 

 

Robert

 

 

 

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"Madhya Nandi" <<madhya

 

harshasatsang

 

[Tantrasadhana] Sensation, Self and Ego

 

Mon, Mar 15, 1999, 8:03 AM

 

 

 

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Here is another perspective on this issue. It seems to me that much of

the conversation thus far wants to suggest that 'this' is felt by the

'ego', while 'this' is not. Or, somewhat in contrast, the ego feels

thusly while the 'true Self' feels in this way, or even not at all.

 

 

I suggest that the Self is in fact experiencing everything. There is no

ego involved. What one believes to be the ego, is actually the Self.

 

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<excerpt><excerpt><smaller> The Self recognizes that Self is all

experience and all sensation equally--pain and pleasure, ecstasy and

depression.

 

 

This realization, I suggest, is 'freedom' from bondage to the 'ego'--that

is, ignorance of our own Self as the author of all experience of all

Experience.

 

 

 

Madhya

 

 

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