Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 Dharma, Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was known to be an incarnation of God. Always established in the subtle, rarely was a gleam seen in his eye. He did not have trouble speaking per say; in his infinite wisdom he knew that most words were unnecessary. The words he spoke were like mantras; people would scribble furiously. There is a site that gives a very reders digest version of his life; his actual miracles would constitute an entire series of books. You can find this site at http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/Nityanan/Nityanan.htm There is a book that describes some of his astounding life. Written by M.U. Hatengdi and Swani Chetanananda, it is called "Nityananda--In Divine Presence." This book can be purchased from Amazon books, or if you like, contact Shanti Mandir at their website http://Shantimandir.com Much Light Marcus Dharma <fisher1 < > Friday, March 19, 1999 4:55 AM Your guru Dharma <fisher1 Hello Marcus, Would you tell us about Bhagawan Nityananda, your guru? My impression from Swami Muktananda's book is that he did not speak much, but mostly sat in meditation, smiling, in a state of intoxicated bliss. It sounds like when he did speak, he had difficulty coming down into the intellect enough to utter sentences. And yet in his pictures he has a serious look. In the close-up he seems to have a little frown and an almost sad expression. It seems that, in Kashmiri Shaivism, to be always in this sort of blissful state must not be the goal for everyone, since Muktananda's later life was quite different - he travelled widely and taught a lot, I think. I know you have had an immeasurable gift in being close to such a man. I'd be grateful for anything you care to tell about him. Love, Dharma ------ To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 At 10:10 AM 3/19/99 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Dharma, Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was known to be an incarnation of God. <<<< <Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater, outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman. >>>> Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 Hi Tim, > Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was >known to be an incarnation of God. ><<<< > ><Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who >is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal >God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the >combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the >world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the >highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater, >outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman. Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we recognize any particular person as the One? As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 Tim, Vishnu, Krishna, Jesus, Nityananda...all the same thing to the one with eyes that see. The formless Self has indeed given himself to form many times for the benefit of the earnest seeker; a 'focal' point as a reference that will ultimately lead to self. These incarnations are born established in Para, the Divine will, or Iccha. To many millions of people over the centuries, the mere presence of such Divine souls brings there greatest desire; countless scores of people have achieved jivanmukti just by being in their proximity. Much Light Marcus Bhakti Marcus Tim Gerchmez <fewtch < > Friday, March 19, 1999 7:44 PM Re: Your guru Tim Gerchmez <fewtch At 10:10 AM 3/19/99 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Dharma, Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was known to be an incarnation of God. <<<< <Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater, outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman. >>>> Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. ------ To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Dharma wrote: > > Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we > recognize any particular person as the One? > > As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and > experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the > method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner. this lady looked at her guru and saw Chenrezig's face. (well after i saw that his face had changed from the one i knew before--long story!) Tulku Sang Ngag had a golden glow as he sat there, much like BUddha would. And Lama Zopa Rinpoche....he transformed the entire place we were into a Buddhafield. Its not hard for westerners to do this, im as american as you get. green-eyed brown hair middleclass midwesterner. When you first encounter your own self, your own mind, in the living mirror the Guide, things happen. im convinced of this. But also, one must see this person, see their compassion, wisdom etc. Test them and they will also test you! Then out of confidence you can say "This is my Kalyanamitra, a precious living buddha, to her/him i go for refuge until i reach enlightenment" or whatever you want to call it. its real. if you dont like what i say, that's ok, its just babble anyway. --janpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Dear Marcus, At 02:57 AM 3/20/99 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Tim, Vishnu, Krishna, Jesus, Nityananda...all the same thing to the one with eyes that see. The formless Self has indeed given himself to form many times for the benefit of the earnest seeker; a 'focal' point as a reference that will ultimately lead to self. These incarnations are born established in Para, the Divine will, or Iccha. To many millions of people over the centuries, the mere presence of such Divine souls brings there greatest desire; countless scores of people have achieved jivanmukti just by being in their proximity. <<<< To me, this is ridiculous fantasy. Human beings are human beings, and no man has ever been born who has been greater or lesser than any other. I hope you will forgive me the disagreement. This seems to me Bhakti run wild, to the edge of madness. With Love and Prozac, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 At 07:47 PM 3/19/99 -0600, you wrote: >Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we >recognize any particular person as the One? I suppose it shouldn't. Therefore, I shall worship the doorknob to my bedroom as Self, and will attain Nirvikalpa Samadhi thereby. Gimme a break, Dharma... With Love and Prozac, Tim ----- The CORE of Reality awaits you at: http://www.eskimo.com/~fewtch/ND/index.html - Poetry, Writings, Live Chat on spiritual topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Hi Tim, >>Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we >>recognize any particular person as the One? > >I suppose it shouldn't. Therefore, I shall worship the doorknob to my >bedroom as Self, and will attain Nirvikalpa Samadhi thereby. A doorknob will serve as well as anything else to focus on. Meditate long enough on your doorknob, and you will be surprised! )) Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Very perceptive Dharma. One of the more thought out before posted sentences. L M Dharma <fisher1 < > Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:56 AM Re: Your guru Dharma <fisher1 Hi Tim, > Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was >known to be an incarnation of God. ><<<< > ><Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who >is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal >God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the >combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the >world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the >highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater, >outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman. Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we recognize any particular person as the One? As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner. Love, Dharma ------ We have a new web site! Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Janpa, aaaahhhh. Eyes that see! this makes these places small caves with gemstones littered about! Thank you, that was nice. Subtle perception. Thats it. L M Debora A. Orf <dorf01 < > Saturday, March 20, 1999 4:05 AM Re: Your guru "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01 On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Dharma wrote: > > Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we > recognize any particular person as the One? > > As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and > experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the > method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner. this lady looked at her guru and saw Chenrezig's face. (well after i saw that his face had changed from the one i knew before--long story!) Tulku Sang Ngag had a golden glow as he sat there, much like BUddha would. And Lama Zopa Rinpoche....he transformed the entire place we were into a Buddhafield. Its not hard for westerners to do this, im as american as you get. green-eyed brown hair middleclass midwesterner. When you first encounter your own self, your own mind, in the living mirror the Guide, things happen. im convinced of this. But also, one must see this person, see their compassion, wisdom etc. Test them and they will also test you! Then out of confidence you can say "This is my Kalyanamitra, a precious living buddha, to her/him i go for refuge until i reach enlightenment" or whatever you want to call it. its real. if you dont like what i say, that's ok, its just babble anyway. --janpa ------ To from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and select the Member Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Dharma, This is true. One of the four schools of Shaivism teaches that God can be found in a blade of grass fluttering in the wind. Where is hard to understand? If all is God, what is focused on is irrelevant. All will lead inside. What is there outside to obtain? Inside. That's it. L M Dharma <fisher1 < > Saturday, March 20, 1999 9:51 AM Re: Your guru Dharma <fisher1 Hi Tim, >>Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we >>recognize any particular person as the One? > >I suppose it shouldn't. Therefore, I shall worship the doorknob to my >bedroom as Self, and will attain Nirvikalpa Samadhi thereby. A doorknob will serve as well as anything else to focus on. Meditate long enough on your doorknob, and you will be surprised! )) Love, Dharma ------ If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site! Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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