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Dharma,

Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was known

to be an incarnation of God. Always established in the subtle, rarely was a

gleam seen in his eye. He did not have trouble speaking per say; in his infinite

wisdom he knew that most words were unnecessary. The words he spoke were like

mantras; people would scribble furiously. There is a site that gives a very

reders digest version of his life; his actual miracles would constitute an

entire series of books. You can find this site at

http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/Nityanan/Nityanan.htm

There is a book that describes some of his astounding life. Written by M.U.

Hatengdi and Swani Chetanananda, it is called "Nityananda--In Divine Presence."

This book can be purchased from Amazon books, or if you like, contact Shanti

Mandir at their website http://Shantimandir.com

Much Light

Marcus

 

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Friday, March 19, 1999 4:55 AM

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Dharma <fisher1

 

Hello Marcus,

 

Would you tell us about Bhagawan Nityananda, your guru?

 

My impression from Swami Muktananda's book is that he did not speak much,

but mostly sat in meditation, smiling, in a state of intoxicated bliss. It

sounds like when he did speak, he had difficulty coming down into the

intellect enough to utter sentences. And yet in his pictures he has a

serious look. In the close-up he seems to have a little frown and an

almost sad expression.

 

It seems that, in Kashmiri Shaivism, to be always in this sort of blissful

state must not be the goal for everyone, since Muktananda's later life was

quite different - he travelled widely and taught a lot, I think.

 

I know you have had an immeasurable gift in being close to such a man. I'd

be grateful for anything you care to tell about him.

 

Love,

Dharma

 

 

 

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At 10:10 AM 3/19/99 -0000, you wrote:

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Dharma,

Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was

known to be an incarnation of God.

<<<<

 

<Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who

is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal

God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the

combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the

world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the

highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater,

outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman.

>>>>

 

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Hi Tim,

> Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was

>known to be an incarnation of God.

><<<<

>

><Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who

>is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal

>God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the

>combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the

>world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the

>highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater,

>outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman.

 

Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we

recognize any particular person as the One?

 

As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and

experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the

method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner.

 

Love,

Dharma

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Tim,

Vishnu, Krishna, Jesus, Nityananda...all the same thing to the one with

eyes that see. The formless Self has indeed given himself to form many times for

the benefit of the earnest seeker; a 'focal' point as a reference that will

ultimately lead to self. These incarnations are born established in Para, the

Divine will, or Iccha. To many millions of people over the centuries, the mere

presence of such Divine souls brings there greatest desire; countless scores of

people have achieved jivanmukti just by being in their proximity.

Much Light

Marcus

Bhakti

Marcus

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Friday, March 19, 1999 7:44 PM

Re: Your guru

 

 

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At 10:10 AM 3/19/99 -0000, you wrote:

>>>>

Dharma,

Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was

known to be an incarnation of God.

<<<<

 

<Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who

is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal

God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the

combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the

world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the

highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater,

outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman.

>>>>

 

Tim

 

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On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Dharma wrote:

>

> Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we

> recognize any particular person as the One?

>

> As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and

> experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the

> method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner.

 

this lady looked at her guru and saw Chenrezig's face. (well after i saw

that his face had changed from the one i knew before--long story!)

 

Tulku Sang Ngag had a golden glow as he sat there, much like BUddha would.

And Lama Zopa Rinpoche....he transformed the entire place we were into a

Buddhafield.

 

Its not hard for westerners to do this, im as american as you get.

green-eyed brown hair middleclass midwesterner.

 

When you first encounter your own self, your own mind, in the living

mirror the Guide, things happen. im convinced of this.

 

But also, one must see this person, see their compassion, wisdom etc. Test

them and they will also test you! Then out of confidence you can say "This

is my Kalyanamitra, a precious living buddha, to her/him i go for refuge

until i reach enlightenment"

 

or whatever you want to call it. its real.

 

if you dont like what i say, that's ok, its just babble anyway.

 

--janpa

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Dear Marcus,

 

At 02:57 AM 3/20/99 -0000, you wrote:

>>>>

Tim,

Vishnu, Krishna, Jesus, Nityananda...all the same thing to the one

with eyes that see. The formless Self has indeed given himself to form many

times for the benefit of the earnest seeker; a 'focal' point as a reference

that will ultimately lead to self. These incarnations are born established

in Para, the Divine will, or Iccha. To many millions of people over the

centuries, the mere presence of such Divine souls brings there greatest

desire; countless scores of people have achieved jivanmukti just by being

in their proximity.

<<<<

 

To me, this is ridiculous fantasy. Human beings are human beings, and no

man has ever been born who has been greater or lesser than any other. I

hope you will forgive me the disagreement. This seems to me Bhakti run

wild, to the edge of madness.

 

With Love and Prozac,

 

Tim

 

 

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At 07:47 PM 3/19/99 -0600, you wrote:

>Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we

>recognize any particular person as the One?

 

I suppose it shouldn't. Therefore, I shall worship the doorknob to my

bedroom as Self, and will attain Nirvikalpa Samadhi thereby.

 

Gimme a break, Dharma...

 

With Love and Prozac,

 

Tim

 

 

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Hi Tim,

>>Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we

>>recognize any particular person as the One?

>

>I suppose it shouldn't. Therefore, I shall worship the doorknob to my

>bedroom as Self, and will attain Nirvikalpa Samadhi thereby.

 

A doorknob will serve as well as anything else to focus on. Meditate long

enough on your doorknob, and you will be surprised! :)))

 

Love,

Dharma

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Very perceptive Dharma. One of the more thought out before posted sentences.

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Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:56 AM

Re: Your guru

 

 

Dharma <fisher1

 

Hi Tim,

> Shri Nityananda was more than just a guru to people; in fact, he was

>known to be an incarnation of God.

><<<<

>

><Raising eyebrows>... Surely this is carrying Bhakta just a bit far... who

>is considered "God" under Shaivism? In Vedanta it is Ishvara (Personal

>God), also the creative force, which is ultimately seen to be the

>combination of maya and brahman, and which is said to have created the

>world and the objective universe. The human mind can grasp God, God is the

>highest graspable ideal of the human mind, but there is something greater,

>outside the realm of thought, that is Brahman.

 

Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we

recognize any particular person as the One?

 

As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and

experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the

method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner.

 

Love,

Dharma

 

 

 

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Janpa,

aaaahhhh. Eyes that see! this makes these places small caves with gemstones

littered about! Thank you, that was nice. Subtle perception. Thats it.

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Saturday, March 20, 1999 4:05 AM

Re: Your guru

 

 

"Debora A. Orf" <dorf01

 

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Dharma wrote:

>

> Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we

> recognize any particular person as the One?

>

> As for Bhakta, you can think of it as method/technique to see and

> experience the divine in the guru, just as in sexual tantra it is the

> method/technique to see and experience the divine in the partner.

 

this lady looked at her guru and saw Chenrezig's face. (well after i saw

that his face had changed from the one i knew before--long story!)

 

Tulku Sang Ngag had a golden glow as he sat there, much like BUddha would.

And Lama Zopa Rinpoche....he transformed the entire place we were into a

Buddhafield.

 

Its not hard for westerners to do this, im as american as you get.

green-eyed brown hair middleclass midwesterner.

 

When you first encounter your own self, your own mind, in the living

mirror the Guide, things happen. im convinced of this.

 

But also, one must see this person, see their compassion, wisdom etc. Test

them and they will also test you! Then out of confidence you can say "This

is my Kalyanamitra, a precious living buddha, to her/him i go for refuge

until i reach enlightenment"

 

or whatever you want to call it. its real.

 

if you dont like what i say, that's ok, its just babble anyway.

 

--janpa

 

 

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Dharma,

This is true. One of the four schools of Shaivism teaches that God can be

found in a blade of grass fluttering in the wind. Where is hard to understand?

If all is God, what is focused on is irrelevant. All will lead inside. What is

there outside to obtain? Inside. That's it.

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Dharma <fisher1

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Saturday, March 20, 1999 9:51 AM

Re: Your guru

 

 

Dharma <fisher1

 

Hi Tim,

>>Since divinity is All, and we are all One, why should it bother you if we

>>recognize any particular person as the One?

>

>I suppose it shouldn't. Therefore, I shall worship the doorknob to my

>bedroom as Self, and will attain Nirvikalpa Samadhi thereby.

 

A doorknob will serve as well as anything else to focus on. Meditate long

enough on your doorknob, and you will be surprised! :)))

 

Love,

Dharma

 

 

 

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