Guest guest Posted March 19, 1999 Report Share Posted March 19, 1999 On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:16:48 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: >List, > This is a very special page with great information on Nityananda, >Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more > >http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm > >Premabhakti >Marcus I'm sure you mean well, Marcus, but with all due respect this site crosses the line between rightful bhakti and obsequious idolatry. It is quite clearly a promotional vehicle for Sai Baba, the only living "avatar" represented and a man of very dubious character who has very likely harmed as many with his phony "miracles" and well- documented forays into chela pederasty as he has helped with his politician-buying philanthopies. http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:25:14 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: >Bruce, > In fact, Marcus has read next to nothing on Sai Baba. Yet he offhandedly touts a site that prominently promote Sai Baba and borrows his guru's authority (along with other Famous Dead Guys'[tm]) in doing so. >Nityananda >is this one's Guru. Understood. >It is another site with interesting information on >several Avatars. Much (if not all) of it available without a gratuitous side order of one of India's most notorious "God-men." >Just delete it Bruce. Thanks for the advice. >Contempt reveals the hatred in >a man. "Contempt" is not even remotely at issue here. Compassion precludes passivity in the face of ongoing perfidy. >Much Light >M Dispelling darkness is exactly the point. Much love -- Bruce > > Bruce Morgen <editor > < > > Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:26 AM > Re: AVmain >(http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) > > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:16:48 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp >writes: > >List, > > This is a very special page with great information on >Nityananda, > >Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more > > > >http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm > > > >Premabhakti > >Marcus > > I'm sure you mean well, Marcus, > but with all due respect this > site crosses the line between > rightful bhakti and obsequious > idolatry. It is quite clearly > a promotional vehicle for Sai > Baba, the only living "avatar" > represented and a man of very > dubious character who has very > likely harmed as many with his > phony "miracles" and well- > documented forays into chela > pederasty as he has helped with > his politician-buying > philanthopies. > > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > m(_ _)m > _ > > >_________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >------ > We have a new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 List, This is a very special page with great information on Nityananda, Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm Premabhakti Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Bruce, In fact, Marcus has read next to nothing on Sai Baba. Nityananda is this one's Guru. It is another site with interesting information on several Avatars. Just delete it Bruce. Contempt reveals the hatred in a man. Much Light M Bruce Morgen <editor < > Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:26 AM Re: AVmain (http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) Bruce Morgen <editor On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:16:48 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: >List, > This is a very special page with great information on Nityananda, >Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more > >http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm > >Premabhakti >Marcus I'm sure you mean well, Marcus, but with all due respect this site crosses the line between rightful bhakti and obsequious idolatry. It is quite clearly a promotional vehicle for Sai Baba, the only living "avatar" represented and a man of very dubious character who has very likely harmed as many with his phony "miracles" and well- documented forays into chela pederasty as he has helped with his politician-buying philanthopies. http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm m(_ _)m _ _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------ We have a new web site! Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 The message <19990319.210414.-101497.1.editor from Bruce Morgen <editor contains these words: Dear Bruce With greatest respect, it appears that you know little of Sai Baba. I was on his ashram Christmas 97 and on the 25th there were over sixty thousand people from every country of the world every religion every creed and those like me of no religion. We were all doing our best to sing Christmas carols. Now that is the real miracle. I saw him produce a bible out of thin air is that a miracle? Thats not important. 7 million people in India now have fresh water through his efforts thats important. Many now have free education and hospital treatment thats important. We cant even agree on this list or any other about basic spiritual points but surely we can act out of respect for others opinions. We are like a hand All the fingures are seperate but we can join to lift in our common desire for spiritual advancement. Sai Baba says come see me and go home a better Christian, Muslim, Hindu or person. There were 3 Million people in Putaparthi for his last birthday. Are all these people,deluded, the followers of a man of dubious character? I dont think so. Most saints / yogis have has some rumour spread about them. Showing their backside to the world,womanisers. God is the Totality all of it. The light and the dark come from the same source. Baba is quoted as saying "I am God but so are you the only difference is I know exactly who I am" I am happy for you to have your beliefs, there is only one God though we may have our individual paths / Gurus. It is not my intention to offend anyone, if I do, I appologise for the offence but not for what I have said. Sai Ram Chris > Bruce Morgen <editor > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:16:48 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: > >List, > > This is a very special page with great information on Nityananda, > >Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more > > > >http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm > > > >Premabhakti > >Marcus > I'm sure you mean well, Marcus, > but with all due respect this > site crosses the line between > rightful bhakti and obsequious > idolatry. It is quite clearly > a promotional vehicle for Sai > Baba, the only living "avatar" > represented and a man of very > dubious character who has very > likely harmed as many with his > phony "miracles" and well- > documented forays into chela > pederasty as he has helped with > his politician-buying > philanthopies. > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > m(_ _)m > _ > _________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------ > We have a new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Dear Gemini as this is not a Sai Baba site. I dont want to go in to great detail but be does things with photographs as you have mentioned. I have not visited the site you mention so cant really comment. There have been literaly hundreds of books written about him try your library or book store if you are interested. As I understand it an Avatar is born with all the "abilities" some Yogis can materialise objects but only after years of meditation and spiritual discipline. It is well documented that Baba was producing different fruit off the same tree for his school mates on request at an early age. Just because I believe Baba is an Avatar does not in anyway decrease or change the light of other spiritual giants. All are one. If I am a devotee of Sai Baba I am not a very good one, I dont really like the term devotee. If any thing I am devoted to the formless God. I am very fond of Yoganada as he made the "Truth" simple as possible for western people like me. His book "Divine Romance" sets a good example to me as does "Autobiography of a Yogi" I was also lucky to get a tape of one of his talks. Such humour. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Dear Chris, greatest respect to who you are. : ) Chris Hughes wrote: > With greatest respect, it appears that you know little of Sai Baba. > I was on his ashram Christmas 97 and on the 25th there were over > sixty thousand people from every country of the world every religion > every creed and those like me of no religion. We were all doing our > best to sing Christmas carols. Now that is the real miracle. > I saw him produce a bible out of thin air is that a miracle? Thats > not important. I agree. David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear live in front of millions. What is important, however, is that he did not attempt to convey to folks that this feat was nothing more than illusion. > There were 3 Million people in Putaparthi for his last birthday. Are > all these people,deluded, the followers of a man of dubious > character? I dont think so. More due respect to who you truly are Chris; but even more people were deluded by the charisma of Hitler. > Baba is quoted as saying "I am God but so are you the only difference > is I know exactly who I am" If this were truly so he'd have no one to say this to. > I am happy for you to have your beliefs, there is only one God though > we may have our individual paths / Gurus. > It is not my intention to offend anyone, if I do, I appologise for > the offence but not for what I have said. There is no offense when we look through the illusion of personality to the source of our essence, for then there is nothing to defend and nothing to attack. Greatest Blessings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Dear Gemini, Why don't you masturbate, it feels better than the "touch of grace." Or be a human being and reproduce with someone you love, that feels good too, and produces something real, other than more nerve-ending stimulations. At 04:10 AM 3/21/99 -0000, you wrote: >>>> Chris, And you are doing just fine. Never let the words of the one veiled in Maya and confounded by Matrka distract you. On the contrary, let it show you how magnificent these Shaktis are. L M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Chris, Although not completely sure, It is the article on Sai Baba at that site previously mentioned where a devotee took a picture of him, only to have it developed and find a picture of Jesus on it. The picture is posted at that site. Pretty remarkable. It is said that Sai Baba was trying to prove a point that all Avatars are the of the one true source. L M Chris Hughes <aird.house < > Saturday, March 20, 1999 12:50 PM Re: AVmain (http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) Chris Hughes <aird.house The message <19990319.210414.-101497.1.editor from Bruce Morgen <editor contains these words: Dear Bruce With greatest respect, it appears that you know little of Sai Baba. I was on his ashram Christmas 97 and on the 25th there were over sixty thousand people from every country of the world every religion every creed and those like me of no religion. We were all doing our best to sing Christmas carols. Now that is the real miracle. I saw him produce a bible out of thin air is that a miracle? Thats not important. 7 million people in India now have fresh water through his efforts thats important. Many now have free education and hospital treatment thats important. We cant even agree on this list or any other about basic spiritual points but surely we can act out of respect for others opinions. We are like a hand All the fingures are seperate but we can join to lift in our common desire for spiritual advancement. Sai Baba says come see me and go home a better Christian, Muslim, Hindu or person. There were 3 Million people in Putaparthi for his last birthday. Are all these people,deluded, the followers of a man of dubious character? I dont think so. Most saints / yogis have has some rumour spread about them. Showing their backside to the world,womanisers. God is the Totality all of it. The light and the dark come from the same source. Baba is quoted as saying "I am God but so are you the only difference is I know exactly who I am" I am happy for you to have your beliefs, there is only one God though we may have our individual paths / Gurus. It is not my intention to offend anyone, if I do, I appologise for the offence but not for what I have said. Sai Ram Chris > Bruce Morgen <editor > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:16:48 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: > >List, > > This is a very special page with great information on Nityananda, > >Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more > > > >http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm > > > >Premabhakti > >Marcus > I'm sure you mean well, Marcus, > but with all due respect this > site crosses the line between > rightful bhakti and obsequious > idolatry. It is quite clearly > a promotional vehicle for Sai > Baba, the only living "avatar" > represented and a man of very > dubious character who has very > likely harmed as many with his > phony "miracles" and well- > documented forays into chela > pederasty as he has helped with > his politician-buying > philanthopies. > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > m(_ _)m > _ > _________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------ > We have a new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services ------ Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Bruce, Your thinly veiled judgements on others is a thin veil. People that are high on judgement, and low on listening are both angry, and more than likely grossly uninformed. Bruce, 5 men can look at one incident and give five different versions of it. Being in a family where law enforcement is predominant, this is not a thought, it is known to be a fact. Hatred is an issue Bruce, because it is the rose colored glass your eyes are looking through. Your post only do not reflect hatred to Bruce. Don't listen to these words; dig your own hole here, you will not get any help from this one. L M Bruce Morgen <editor < > Saturday, March 20, 1999 7:08 AM Re: AVmain (http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) Bruce Morgen <editor On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:25:14 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: >Bruce, > In fact, Marcus has read next to nothing on Sai Baba. Yet he offhandedly touts a site that prominently promote Sai Baba and borrows his guru's authority (along with other Famous Dead Guys'[tm]) in doing so. >Nityananda >is this one's Guru. Understood. >It is another site with interesting information on >several Avatars. Much (if not all) of it available without a gratuitous side order of one of India's most notorious "God-men." >Just delete it Bruce. Thanks for the advice. >Contempt reveals the hatred in >a man. "Contempt" is not even remotely at issue here. Compassion precludes passivity in the face of ongoing perfidy. >Much Light >M Dispelling darkness is exactly the point. Much love -- Bruce > > Bruce Morgen <editor > < > > Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:26 AM > Re: AVmain >(http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) > > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:16:48 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp >writes: > >List, > > This is a very special page with great information on >Nityananda, > >Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more > > > >http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm > > > >Premabhakti > >Marcus > > I'm sure you mean well, Marcus, > but with all due respect this > site crosses the line between > rightful bhakti and obsequious > idolatry. It is quite clearly > a promotional vehicle for Sai > Baba, the only living "avatar" > represented and a man of very > dubious character who has very > likely harmed as many with his > phony "miracles" and well- > documented forays into chela > pederasty as he has helped with > his politician-buying > philanthopies. > > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > m(_ _)m > _ > > >_________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >------ > We have a new web site! > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services > _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------ Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:44:49 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp writes: >Bruce, > Your thinly veiled judgements on others is a thin veil. OK, I suspect that is supposed to mean something. >People >that are high on judgement, and low on listening are both angry, and >more than likely grossly uninformed. I'm listening very carefully, what I'm hearing is an extraordinary level of assumptiveness and, quite tellingly, "judgement." You apparently have taken my comments on the site you touted rather personally, that was emphatically *not* my intent, and there is nothing in my comments that judges you personally. Contrast with that some of the words from you in this very post. >Bruce, 5 men can look at one incident and give five different versions >of it. Sometimes that is true, charlatans take advantage of it quite frequently. >Being in a family where law enforcement is predominant, this is >not a thought, it is known to be a fact. No, it isn't, at best "five different versions" is one of several possibilities. That's what the legal paradigm of "reasonable doubt" is for, sorting out probabilities from among possibilities. My observation re Sai Baba, going by reliable sources including several whom I know and trust personally, is that he is not even *remotely* comparable to the Famous Dead Guy depicted on the site. One can add Warren G. Harding's visage to Mount Rushmore, but that doesn't make him a great American president. >Hatred is an issue Bruce, >because it is the rose colored glass your eyes are looking through. Opinion noted -- who exactly do I supposedly hate? >Your post only do not reflect hatred to Bruce. I'm sorry, this sentence makes no sense. >Don't listen to these >words; dig your own hole here, you will not get any help from this >one. Too late, I've already listened. What you're saying is that what I wrote about Sai Baba indicates judgement and/or hatred, thereby implying that what you wrote to and about me (and my purported perceptual state) does not. Message received. Much love -- Bruce >L >M > > >Bruce Morgen <editor > < > >Saturday, March 20, 1999 7:08 AM > Re: AVmain >(http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) > > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:25:14 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp >writes: > >Bruce, > > In fact, Marcus has read next to nothing on Sai Baba. > > Yet he offhandedly touts a > site that prominently > promote Sai Baba and > borrows his guru's > authority (along with other > Famous Dead Guys'[tm]) in > doing so. > > >Nityananda > >is this one's Guru. > > Understood. > > >It is another site with interesting information on > >several Avatars. > > Much (if not all) of it > available without a > gratuitous side order of > one of India's most > notorious "God-men." > > >Just delete it Bruce. > > Thanks for the advice. > > >Contempt reveals the hatred in > >a man. > > "Contempt" is not even > remotely at issue here. > Compassion precludes > passivity in the face of > ongoing perfidy. > > >Much Light > >M > > Dispelling darkness is > exactly the point. > > Much love -- Bruce > > > > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > < > > > Saturday, March 20, 1999 2:26 AM > > Re: AVmain > >(http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) > > > > > > Bruce Morgen <editor > > > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:16:48 -0000 "Gemini" <currwamp > > >writes: > > >List, > > > This is a very special page with great information on > >Nityananda, > > >Sai Baba, Jesus, Ramakrishna and more > > > > > >http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm > > > > > >Premabhakti > > >Marcus > > > > I'm sure you mean well, Marcus, > > but with all due respect this > > site crosses the line between > > rightful bhakti and obsequious > > idolatry. It is quite clearly > > a promotional vehicle for Sai > > Baba, the only living "avatar" > > represented and a man of very > > dubious character who has very > > likely harmed as many with his > > phony "miracles" and well- > > documented forays into chela > > pederasty as he has helped with > > his politician-buying > > philanthopies. > > > > > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htm > > http://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm > > m(_ _)m > > _ > > > > > >>_________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet >e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at > >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > >>----- -> > We have a new web site! > > > > Onelist: The leading provider of free email community >services > > > > >_________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >------ > Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at >Onelist? > > Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest > _________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Chris, And you are doing just fine. Never let the words of the one veiled in Maya and confounded by Matrka distract you. On the contrary, let it show you how magnificent these Shaktis are. L M Chris Hughes <aird.house < > Saturday, March 20, 1999 8:40 PM Re: AVmain (http://cosmicharmony.com/Av/AVmain.htm) Chris Hughes <aird.house Dear Gemini as this is not a Sai Baba site. I dont want to go in to great detail but be does things with photographs as you have mentioned. I have not visited the site you mention so cant really comment. There have been literaly hundreds of books written about him try your library or book store if you are interested. As I understand it an Avatar is born with all the "abilities" some Yogis can materialise objects but only after years of meditation and spiritual discipline. It is well documented that Baba was producing different fruit off the same tree for his school mates on request at an early age. Just because I believe Baba is an Avatar does not in anyway decrease or change the light of other spiritual giants. All are one. If I am a devotee of Sai Baba I am not a very good one, I dont really like the term devotee. If any thing I am devoted to the formless God. I am very fond of Yoganada as he made the "Truth" simple as possible for western people like me. His book "Divine Romance" sets a good example to me as does "Autobiography of a Yogi" I was also lucky to get a tape of one of his talks. Such humour. Chris ------ Did you know that we have over 85,000 e-mail communities at Onelist? Come visit our new web site and explore a new interest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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