Dharma/Love

March 27, 1999

Re: Dharma/Love

> Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:34:24 -0600

> Dharma <fisher1

> Re: Gemini/Gene Poole

>

> Hi Gene,

Hi Dharma...

> >In my view, the 'Divine' does not demand 'religion';

>

> Jung said religion protects us from direct experience.

I am glad that you know Jung.

> > in fact, I will go so

> >far as to say that it is possible to live and express the Divine, while

> >never alluding to 'God' or to any religious ideation whatsoever.

>

> It isn't necessary... When I teach meditation, I talk in the first session

> about understanding what each person means by the words he uses... and

> then we don't argue about which word is the "right" one to use... each

> person uses the words he wants to use, and we just try to understand what

> we're all saying.

Yes.

> >Indeed, I

> >see that the vast intelligence which is this Living Universe, is quite

> >comfortable in my knowing of it in it's basic and raw and unembellished (by

> >me) nature. Thus, while one may reach for accurate or poetic words to

> >describe, it is the ongoing experience of communion which gifts me with the

> >sense of my own veracity which I have so longed for, for so many years.

>

> It sounds like you have had a major break-through in recent years. If you

> would care to tell about it, I'd be very interested. Maybe you already

> have, in your next letter... but I think you're talking about something

> more or different here.

You are perceptive. Yes, and in this reply, I will also reply to your

subsequent post, the one concerning 'Devas', because it has everything to

do with that topic, and the context in which you presented it.

My 'breakthrough' came in several forms, the most outrageous one being the

'blatent evidence' that I am living 'inside' and 'as' a huge (as if 'size

matters'... ) and seeminly eternal 'organism' which is as vast as the

universe; in fact, it IS the universe. I 'saw', with exquisite clarity,

that 'all of what is' is held in its 'configuration' by 'intention'; I saw,

in other words, that 'everything' is as it is, because 'something' wants it

to be the way that it is. I saw that everything and anything can, at any

moment, simply 'flow' from one shape into another, according to this

'intention', which is a priniciple 'greater than I am'.

I saw that humans live in a trance of assumed separation, in a dreamlike

state, consumed by the mythology which comprises our social reality. I saw

also that it is obvious that it is so, and that if one can be distracted

from the compulsory involvement in the superstition of 'human social life',

that it can be seen by anyone.

This is hard to say in a way that does not arouse opposition in the reader;

it is difficult for me to communicate what I can see and know. I have no

intention of convincing anyone of these things.

I saw that I am a creature of slime, clothed in pride, my proper or

intended consciousness replaced by a cloud of 'lofty ideals'. By slime, I

do not mean 'bad'; indeed, this slime is the very essence of biological

life. It is the formless protoplasm which is held in human form by the

standing-wave of samskara; my human form is only one possible manifestation

of the range of Life and Being available to me. As this is so, I am one

with all biological life, and have a greater communion with bacteria and

fungi than with the 'higher creatures'. The so-called 'lower' forms of

life, actually 'obey' the intention of creation more rigorously than the

higher, so I saw. I had to surrender to this... hidden hierarchy; I had to

become slime, and as I did so, every manner of creature was born out of me.

I had become the 'pleroma' or primal ocean. I saw that I am the emanation

of all of life; this was a huge shock, all of it, but I had no choice but

to surrender. I did not have the strength to resist. It was at that point

that I realized that I was inside-out, that my blood was the oceans and

rivers and rain, and that my 'male' was now on the inside, and that on the

'outside' I had become female. I deeply understood the effect of being

female; the universe became an entirely different place for me to

experience; I was in constant communion with all of life, and life came to

me to feed me, as an inevitable sacrifice of self to self. It has been a

very fair exchange.

I realized the delicacy of my hunger, the fragility of my breath, and the

amazing resiliancy of my heart. I was only durable enough to survive if I

was careful to survive. I learned navigation based upon 'organismic'

values, rather than social ones. I saw the 'hideous strength' of

brute-reactive 'ego'; if was terrifying, like a monster.

All sounds spoke a unified chorus of the same voices, like many instruments

all playing the same musical score. I heard the eternal conversation of

male/female, of pursuit and fleeing and negotiation; I realized that all of

'matter' is held in its forms by this conversation, that in fact the very

subatomic particles themselves are in eternal conversation with each-other.

At some point in the proceedings, everything became merged into one thing,

and it showed itself to me and spoke to me. It is VERY 'cool' (it is in

fact the very essence of 'cool' in the slang sense) and has a vast,

imperishable sense of humor. Here I was, apparently _completely insane_,

and the Living Intelligence of the Universe was _smiling_ at me and letting

me know, personally, that I was correct in my perceptions of what it is. At

that moment, everything 'fell together'. It was in that instant that I

became a 'helpless realizer'.

> > I

> >cannot expect that any other person will agree with my expression of this,

> >and that is fine with me. I look carefully at the words of others, to see

> >if their 'wisdom voice' is the same as my 'wisdom voice', but usually, all

> >I find is variations, each like a different version of myself. I have

> >'given up' the search for one to validate my own 'version', as I have

> >stated above.

>

> I think you have become a shaman... you have found your own way, your own

> "wisdom voice," your own vision and your own words for it... you need no

> validation from anyone else...

I can only concur. I perceive that we 'all' need to become 'our own Shaman'.

> >To be honest with you, I perceive you (and 'everyone') to be emanations of

> >the Vast Living Intelligent Universe; your words, though 'version' they may

> >be, are the living feedback I am getting from the same intelligence that I

> >am. How can I be 'exclusive', if this is the case? I am having a 'relevant

> >discussion' with the very 'Higher Power' that I have sought; how can I

> >disagree, or attempt to overpower or to better define? You are my living

> >environment, speaking to me in words; what a glorious experience this is!

>

> Yes!!

Yes, yes!

> >If I am 'cool', if I can constrain my impulse to 'better' you, maybe my

> >Living Environment will take that as a cue that I am mature enough to

> >actually be in conscious communion with 'it'. This I see as a 'secret of

> >life', and through this 'knowledge' (which I have learned the hard way) I

> >am attended by what I sought to know and realize. Now my task is to

> >maintain the balance that makes this possible.

>

> How do you see that balance and what it takes to maintain it?

>

> Love,

> Dharma

This 'balance' I speak of is resultant from my whole Being-nature. I cannot

describe 'how to attain it', but I can say that to maintain it is to 'Be in

integrity' at all times. This means _very basic honesty_ with myself. It is

this honesty which is the source or means of integrity. Integrity is

_immunity_, the ability to continue.

I have given up on seeking and/or maintaining a complex, reified 'belief

system' of any kind. I cannot find, nor do I need, 'justification'. I am

Being, conditional only upon integrity/immunity, and I am interwoven into

all of this, not at all separate from it. 'It' is the model of immunity

which I allow, through discipline, to inform me; thus, I am immortal as

'it' is, as long as I am 'in integrity'. It is becoming easier and easier

as time and practice goes on. Nothing is excluded, and we'it are one big

throbbing Whole, an outburst of outrageous Being-nature. Death is left far,

far behind. "May the devil take the hindmost", is the motto of the cosmic

recycling team. I breath this, and there is nothing outside of it; there

are no boundaries to constrain it. Living this is freedom, for I cannot

fail, even if I 'fail'.

"The Man who paints the pictures, will catch you if you fall... " Fever

Tree, SF CA, circa 1972

Sharing Love Dharma,

==Gene Poole==

March 28, 1999

Good Morning Dharma,

Thank you for your words. They are beautiful and clear. They are so helpful

to me.

Some 25 years ago, without searching, but through a tragic experience, I

became aware of so much of what you describe. I understand exactly, that we

are one, within and on the outside. I understand that the "different levels"

of life are equal to each other. That each is essential and that all of life

exists with each other and there is no separation. One "particle"of life is

no more important than another. Bad or wrong has it's place also. Also

needed.

I do not have your beautiful and descriptive words to explain how I know these

things. All this information was given to me through a conversation with

"spirit" that was not in words. I do not know how else to explain it. I was

a young adult at the time. I was simply "open" and trusting in the "Spirit"

to accept the information.

Since that time I have strived and am sometimes able to reach the balance that

I felt that day.

I am new to this list. I have never been part of another list. I read all of

these posts and get great pleasure and clarity out of everyone putting into

words their version of "love". It helps me to remember and be more clear

about what I know. It helps me to keep "balance".

With each post, I understand better, what I already know.

There is a part of what you said that I would like to be more clear on.

Perhaps you can clarify it. You said,

"I heard the eternal conversation of male/female, of pursuit and fleeing and

negotiation; I realized that all of 'matter' is held in its forms by this

conversation, that in fact the very subatomic particles themselves are in

eternal conversation with each-other."

I am learning from you and I Thank you again,

With Love,

Laura

March 28, 1999

Hi Laura,

>Thank you for your words. They are beautiful and clear. They are so helpful

>to me.

Thank you, but you are answering a letter from Gene Poole <magus.

He was answering a note or three of mine... that's why my name was there.

Gene will understand when he sees your note. Don't worry about it...

happens to all of us. )

Love,

Dharma

March 31, 1999

Hi Gene,

Sorry to be so late in answering your letter. I read it through twice and

felt I still needed time to let it percolate, then come back and read it

again... but I have been so busy...

I am moving this week to a new apartment, and I can't take the time to

read/write much on the lists. I read a few posts, here and there... I

won't try to answer your response to this until I'm completely moved... I

need to read everything that has been on the list... I think it's

important to answer in full knowledge of all the conversation, _especially_

on this list... it's a pretty complex wave-form... )

(I apologize to everyone else I haven't answered... it's moving time...

I'll be back...)

>> >.... it is the ongoing experience of communion which gifts me with the

>> >sense of my own veracity which I have so longed for, for so many years.

>>

>> It sounds like you have had a major break-through in recent years. If you

>> would care to tell about it, I'd be very interested. -snip-

>Yes, and in this reply, I will also reply to your

>subsequent post, the one concerning 'Devas', because it has everything to

>do with that topic, and the context in which you presented it.

>

>My 'breakthrough' came in several forms, the most outrageous one being the

>'blatent evidence' that I am living 'inside' and 'as' a huge (as if 'size

>matters'... ) and seeminly eternal 'organism' which is as vast as the

>universe; in fact, it IS the universe. I 'saw', with exquisite clarity,

>that 'all of what is' is held in its 'configuration' by 'intention'; I saw,

>in other words, that 'everything' is as it is, because 'something' wants it

>to be the way that it is. I saw that everything and anything can, at any

>moment, simply 'flow' from one shape into another, according to this

>'intention', which is a priniciple 'greater than I am'.

>

>I saw that humans live in a trance of assumed separation, in a dreamlike

>state, consumed by the mythology which comprises our social reality. I saw

>also that it is obvious that it is so, and that if one can be distracted

>from the compulsory involvement in the superstition of 'human social life',

>that it can be seen by anyone.

>

Did you see all of this in an instant... or over a few hours... or a few

days?

>I saw that I am a creature of slime, clothed in pride, my proper or

>intended consciousness replaced by a cloud of 'lofty ideals'. By slime, I

>do not mean 'bad'; indeed, this slime is the very essence of biological

>life. It is the formless protoplasm which is held in human form by the

>standing-wave of samskara;

This is a wonderful way to state it. I knew that everything, the whole

manifested universe, arises from the All, that ground of being in which is

everything in potential, but nothing in particular... I had come to think

that each thing, rather than arising and subsiding only once - at the

beginning and ending of its manifested life - actually arises and

disappears at each instant, flashing into and out of manifested existence.

(This explains the wave/quanta problem.) But I had not seen all of

samskara as one great standing wave. Thank you for this!

I have been asking myself if I was mistaken to think that each thing

flashes in and out, moving in its own wave-form... that the truth is that

there is just one wave... but I see that a great wave moving through the

ocean is comprised of many smaller movements and currents... many

wave-forms that are all part of the great wave...

>my human form is only one possible manifestation

>of the range of Life and Being available to me. As this is so, I am one

>with all biological life, and have a greater communion with bacteria and

>fungi than with the 'higher creatures'. The so-called 'lower' forms of

>life, actually 'obey' the intention of creation more rigorously than the

>higher, so I saw. I had to surrender to this... hidden hierarchy; I had to

>become slime, and as I did so, every manner of creature was born out of me.

>I had become the 'pleroma' or primal ocean. I saw that I am the emanation

>of all of life; this was a huge shock, all of it, but I had no choice but

>to surrender. I did not have the strength to resist. It was at that point

>that I realized that I was inside-out, that my blood was the oceans and

>rivers and rain, and that my 'male' was now on the inside, and that on the

>'outside' I had become female. I deeply understood the effect of being

>female; the universe became an entirely different place for me to

>experience; I was in constant communion with all of life, and life came to

>me to feed me, as an inevitable sacrifice of self to self. It has been a

>very fair exchange.

>

>I realized the delicacy of my hunger, the fragility of my breath, and the

>amazing resiliancy of my heart. I was only durable enough to survive if I

>was careful to survive. I learned navigation based upon 'organismic'

>values, rather than social ones. I saw the 'hideous strength' of

>brute-reactive 'ego'; if was terrifying, like a monster.

Yes, or a big child that doesn't know its own strength. It is our

separation, our experience and understanding of duality, that makes us what

we are... and results in our capacity to create new forms... our capacity

to create.

>All sounds spoke a unified chorus of the same voices, like many instruments

>all playing the same musical score. I heard the eternal conversation of

>male/female, of pursuit and fleeing and negotiation; I realized that all of

>'matter' is held in its forms by this conversation, that in fact the very

>subatomic particles themselves are in eternal conversation with each-other.

>

>At some point in the proceedings, everything became merged into one thing,

>and it showed itself to me and spoke to me. It is VERY 'cool' (it is in

>fact the very essence of 'cool' in the slang sense) and has a vast,

>imperishable sense of humor. Here I was, apparently _completely insane_,

No, to go into - or expand into - the great unconscious is not insanity.

James Joyce was a great symbolist; his daughter was schizophrenic and

finally was committed. Jung treated her for a while. He wrote, "The

father dived into a river; the daughter fell in."

>and the Living Intelligence of the Universe was _smiling_ at me and letting

>me know, personally, that I was correct in my perceptions of what it is. At

>that moment, everything 'fell together'. It was in that instant that I

>became a 'helpless realizer'.

I _think_ that that "one thing," as it can show itself to us and speak to

us, is the first emanation from the All. In the All is nothing in

particular to be shown... and there is no one else to show it to...

I have seen Shakti defined as the first emanation from the All... in

saying this, I want to add that I don't think it important whether we

view/experience the first emanation as male or female.

>> > I

>> >cannot expect that any other person will agree with my expression of this,

>> >and that is fine with me. I look carefully at the words of others, to see

>> >if their 'wisdom voice' is the same as my 'wisdom voice', but usually, all

>> >I find is variations, each like a different version of myself. I have

>> >'given up' the search for one to validate my own 'version', as I have

>> >stated above.

>>

>> I think you have become a shaman... you have found your own way, your own

>> "wisdom voice," your own vision and your own words for it... you need no

>> validation from anyone else...

>

>I can only concur. I perceive that we 'all' need to become 'our own Shaman'.

>

>> >To be honest with you, I perceive you (and 'everyone') to be emanations of

>> >the Vast Living Intelligent Universe; your words, though 'version' they may

>> >be, are the living feedback I am getting from the same intelligence that I

>> >am. How can I be 'exclusive', if this is the case? I am having a 'relevant

>> >discussion' with the very 'Higher Power' that I have sought; how can I

>> >disagree, or attempt to overpower or to better define? You are my living

>> >environment, speaking to me in words; what a glorious experience this is!

>>

>> Yes!!

>

>Yes, yes!

Speaking metaphorically, the All is God's unconscious... and I think one

purpose/effect of manifestating as the Vast Living Intelligent Universe is

the development of consciousness... not just consciousness as we know

it... I'm sure that much that is unconscious to us is within the

consciousness of "higher" beings... and the scope of what can be brought

into our consciousness is expanding...

Angelique says, "God/dess was lonely." Another good metaphor...

We are one... I am One... but how much fun it is to manifest as separate

entities and talk to each other, relate to each other. )

>> >If I am 'cool', if I can constrain my impulse to 'better' you, maybe my

>> >Living Environment will take that as a cue that I am mature enough to

>> >actually be in conscious communion with 'it'. This I see as a 'secret of

>> >life', and through this 'knowledge' (which I have learned the hard way) I

>> >am attended by what I sought to know and realize. Now my task is to

>> >maintain the balance that makes this possible.

>>

>> How do you see that balance and what it takes to maintain it?

>

>This 'balance' I speak of is resultant from my whole Being-nature. I cannot

>describe 'how to attain it', but I can say that to maintain it is to 'Be in

>integrity' at all times. This means _very basic honesty_ with myself. It is

>this honesty which is the source or means of integrity. Integrity is

>_immunity_, the ability to continue.

Yes. To begin with, if we can't be honest with ourselves... accept

everything we find, whether it seems "bad" or "good" by some standard...

then we can't know ourselves completely. We have to drop all judgment of

good and bad in order to know ourselves.

To "Be in integrity"... a wonderful phrase... I sat here looking at it

and finally looked up the word to be sure it means what I thought it

meant... The first definition given for "integrity" is "State or quality

of being complete, undivided, or unbroken; entirety." It comes from the

word "integer," which means "A complete entity" and comes from the Latin

word for "untouched, whole."

So it is honesty that enables you to see yourself clearly... to see into

yourself... to see your larger self... and it is the source or means of

integrity... being complete... whole... one.

>I have given up on seeking and/or maintaining a complex, reified 'belief

>system' of any kind. I cannot find, nor do I need, 'justification'. I am

>Being, conditional only upon integrity/immunity, and I am interwoven into

>all of this, not at all separate from it. 'It' is the model of immunity

>which I allow, through discipline, to inform me; thus, I am immortal as

>'it' is, as long as I am 'in integrity'. It is becoming easier and easier

>as time and practice goes on. Nothing is excluded, and we'it are one big

>throbbing Whole, an outburst of outrageous Being-nature. Death is left far,

>far behind. "May the devil take the hindmost", is the motto of the cosmic

>recycling team. I breath this, and there is nothing outside of it; there

>are no boundaries to constrain it. Living this is freedom, for I cannot

>fail, even if I 'fail'.

Yes! This manifest universe is "an outburst of outrageous Being-nature"...

and it bursts out of

the All... the ground of Being...

I am mulling over your use of the word "immunity." I looked it up; the

first meaning given is "Freedom or exemption from any charge, duty, tax,

etc." It comes from the Latin "_immunitas_, fr. _immunis_ free from a

public service, fr. _im-_ not + _munia_ services, obligations."

The second meaning is "State or power of resisting the development of a

(given) disease, esp. of resisting infecting microorganisms or their

products." Two forms of immunity are defined:

"active immunity is acquired through production of antibodies within the

immune organism;

"passive immunity, by injection of serum from another individual."

Would you care to run with this one? )

Love,

Dharma

March 31, 1999

Hello Dharma,

On the use of integrity and immunity, without looking to my dictionary,

but referring to my difference of language projected on those words in

english.

> >I have given up on seeking and/or maintaining a complex, reified 'belief

> >system' of any kind. I cannot find, nor do I need, 'justification'. I am

> >Being, conditional only upon integrity/immunity, and I am interwoven into

> >all of this, not at all separate from it. 'It' is the model of immunity

> >which I allow, through discipline, to inform me; thus, I am immortal as

> >'it' is, as long as I am 'in integrity'. It is becoming easier and easier

> >as time and practice goes on. Nothing is excluded, and we'it are one big

> >throbbing Whole, an outburst of outrageous Being-nature. Death is left far,

> >far behind. "May the devil take the hindmost", is the motto of the cosmic

> >recycling team. I breath this, and there is nothing outside of it; there

> >are no boundaries to constrain it. Living this is freedom, for I cannot

> >fail, even if I 'fail'.

>

> Yes! This manifest universe is "an outburst of outrageous Being-nature"...

> and it bursts out of

> the All... the ground of Being...

>

> I am mulling over your use of the word "immunity." I looked it up; the

> first meaning given is "Freedom or exemption from any charge, duty, tax,

> etc." It comes from the Latin "_immunitas_, fr. _immunis_ free from a

> public service, fr. _im-_ not + _munia_ services, obligations."

>

> The second meaning is "State or power of resisting the development of a

> (given) disease, esp. of resisting infecting microorganisms or their

> products." Two forms of immunity are defined:

>

> "active immunity is acquired through production of antibodies within the

> immune organism;

>

> "passive immunity, by injection of serum from another individual."

>

> Would you care to run with this one? )

In math's one can integrate the state of a curve to an higher dimension

only by projection, information is lost in that process. In engineering,

when one cannot measure exactly, one as to estimate. To integrate a

curve one as to be all parts of it, or have the exact equation of it in

the initial dimensions we want to integrate it.

Thus by projection and experience, integrity comes, to me, to

become/mean all that IS, in the All and in the ONE, and behind all the

infinitely small, all at once, beyond the limitation of perception that

create the illusion of perception from one perspective in the left ALL.

Such an completely integral entity is thus immune, for there are not

external agent to It that may need active antibodies. And no external

serum to receive, that the entity does not already have.

Enjoy what you are doing, nothing piles up then,

Antoine

April 1, 1999

Re: Dharma/Love

> Wed, 31 Mar 1999 06:27:42 -0600

> Dharma <fisher1

> Re: Dharma/Love

>

> Hi Gene,

Hi Dharma... You ask/comment and I reply, below. Note: Massive snippage;

Gene had said: >>I saw that humans live in a trance of assumed separation,

in a dreamlike

> >state, consumed by the mythology which comprises our social reality. I saw

> >also that it is obvious that it is so, and that if one can be distracted

> >from the compulsory involvement in the superstition of 'human social life',

> >that it can be seen by anyone.

>

D:> Did you see all of this in an instant... or over a few hours... or a few

> days?

Such has been apparent to me since my early childhood; only in the last 20

years has it made sense.

G:> >I saw that I am a creature of slime, clothed in pride, my proper or

> >intended consciousness replaced by a cloud of 'lofty ideals'. By slime, I

> >do not mean 'bad'; indeed, this slime is the very essence of biological

> >life. It is the formless protoplasm which is held in human form by the

> >standing-wave of samskara;

>

D:> This is a wonderful way to state it. I knew that everything, the whole

> manifested universe, arises from the All, that ground of being in which is

> everything in potential, but nothing in particular... I had come to think

> that each thing, rather than arising and subsiding only once - at the

> beginning and ending of its manifested life - actually arises and

> disappears at each instant, flashing into and out of manifested existence.

> (This explains the wave/quanta problem.) But I had not seen all of

> samskara as one great standing wave. Thank you for this!

You are welcome; I live to serve.

I am unsure, if you mean 'samskara' or 'samsara'. Your reply would indicate

'samsara', as opposed to my usage of 'samskara'.

The 'standing wave of samskara' which I stated above, is the 'indwelling

residue of immaturity' which 'pollutes' my perceptions of reality. The

reason that a wave 'stands' is that it is being supplied with maintenance

energy; in this case, samskara is supplied with energy (which maintains it)

via the agency of _attachment_.

For those who may wonder, 'samskara' refers to 'residual information' which

is found in the 'skandas'. It is samskara which is the essence of karma;

what is retained, through attachment, is thus in-forming to individual

Being. The adventure of incarnate life is thus programmed by samskara;

realization of the nature of attachment has the power to dissolve samskara,

and thus suspend incarnation in 'samsara'.

Samskara, called by Buddha 'dukka', is 'du che', and is 'responsible' for

our suffering, insofar as we use it as the basis for our preferences and

thus reactions to conditions.

Samsara (not samskara) is the practical implimentation of samskara/karma.

Loss of attachment (the releasing of samskara) is thus loss of samsara.

In reality, all Beings have the potential to dwell consciously in any or

all dimensions, without difficulty. It is only the perception of

deficiency which binds one to a particular significance-layer. As long as

the bound being attempts to solve the non-problem of perceived deficiency,

the Being remains bound. Only when the bound Being realizes the

incorrectness of the assumption of deficiency, will the Being be unbound.

Intellect is the agency which has been given the task of running the

'deficiency-remedy' prgram. Recent discussions of the global international

Kosovo "problem" reflect this _perceived_ deficiency-syndrome, and so now

we have the 'fixit' program running overtime. Attachment to local stability

produces 'sympathy' for those in disruption; what is unseen is the true

global (all-over) meaning of the rejection of totalitarianism. This

rejection of totalitarianism begins with individuals, fans out globally (as

it should and must) and then ramifies right down to every individual on the

planet; thus are such ancient and maladaptive syndromes identified and

eliminated. We have in this ongoing (Kosovo) event an example of the effect

of the attachment-fueled 'samskara' which is the ancient filter in place,

and which is now up for removal. It is proper and natural what we _all_

feel the conflict of this challenge, as an ancient preemptive implant is

removed from every one of us simultaneously. The 'global picture' merely

shows the local (personal) activity in terms we can relate to easily.

> I have been asking myself if I was mistaken to think that each thing

> flashes in and out, moving in its own wave-form... that the truth is that

> there is just one wave... but I see that a great wave moving through the

> ocean is comprised of many smaller movements and currents... many

> wave-forms that are all part of the great wave...

In detail, we see waves and compound waves. But it is important to note

that if we assume 'beginning' that we also then assume 'end'. The 'cause'

of these waves (which do indeed flash on and off as separate 'causeless'

entities) is karma, and karma is configured via samskara. While it is true

that there is no karma unless desire is present, we live in a 'karmic

universe' of our own creation. If we do not like certain aspects of this

self-created universe, we may simply cease 'making waves'. This cessation

is accomplished when each recognizes that taste (preference) potentially

initiates reaction (a wave). If one recognizes that preference is

difference, one may try to eliminate preference (taste), which is quite

difficult; or, one may choose to abide with their preferences, and to thus

inhibit reaction to the expressed tastes of others, and thus cease 'making

waves'.

When the 'reinforced standing wave pattern' generated by

(attachment-fueled) reaction no longer is fed, the pattern collapases. If

this were to happen with you, you would become invisible, and you would

dwell soley in the realm of pure consciousness. Those who desire this

condition may apply themselves to non-attachment, so as to remove the fuel

which powers the standing wave pattern of 'self' or personality.

Personally, I do not desire such an event in my life; in fact, I have come

'too close' to that event for my own comfort. I am content at present to

abide in this great gift of my life as it is.

G:> >I realized the delicacy of my hunger, the fragility of my breath, and the

> >amazing resiliancy of my heart. I was only durable enough to survive if I

> >was careful to survive. I learned navigation based upon 'organismic'

> >values, rather than social ones. I saw the 'hideous strength' of

> >brute-reactive 'ego'; if was terrifying, like a monster.

>

D:> Yes, or a big child that doesn't know its own strength. It is our

> separation, our experience and understanding of duality, that makes us what

> we are... and results in our capacity to create new forms... our capacity

> to create.

Our capacity to create is a gift; our tendency to create is our unseen burden.

G:> >At some point in the proceedings, everything became merged into one thing,

> >and it showed itself to me and spoke to me. It is VERY 'cool' (it is in

> >fact the very essence of 'cool' in the slang sense) and has a vast,

> >imperishable sense of humor. Here I was, apparently _completely insane_,

>

D:> No, to go into - or expand into - the great unconscious is not insanity.

> James Joyce was a great symbolist; his daughter was schizophrenic and

> finally was committed. Jung treated her for a while. He wrote, "The

> father dived into a river; the daughter fell in."

"The mystic swims effortlessly in the same sea, in which the psychotic drowns"

G:> >and the Living Intelligence of the Universe was _smiling_ at me and letting

> >me know, personally, that I was correct in my perceptions of what it is. At

> >that moment, everything 'fell together'. It was in that instant that I

> >became a 'helpless realizer'.

>

> I _think_ that that "one thing," as it can show itself to us and speak to

> us, is the first emanation from the All.

What ever it is, it is a powerful event to experience.

D:> In the All is nothing in

> particular to be shown... and there is no one else to show it to...

An interesting statement...

D:> I have seen Shakti defined as the first emanation from the All... in

> saying this, I want to add that I don't think it important whether we

> view/experience the first emanation as male or female.

At the time, the creation of such a 'tulpa' speaks for itself. In

retrospect, or in theoretical consideration, we may speculate about such

things.

G:> >> >I cannot expect that any other person will agree with my expression

of this,

> >> >and that is fine with me. I look carefully at the words of others, to see

> >> >if their 'wisdom voice' is the same as my 'wisdom voice', but usually, all

> >> >I find is variations, each like a different version of myself. I have

> >> >'given up' the search for one to validate my own 'version', as I have

> >> >stated above.

> >>

> D:>> I think you have become a shaman... you have found your own way,

>your own

> >> "wisdom voice," your own vision and your own words for it... you need no

> >> validation from anyone else...

> >

> >G:I can only concur. I perceive that we 'all' need to become 'our own

>Shaman'.

> >

G: >> >To be honest with you, I perceive you (and 'everyone') to be

emanations of

> >> >the Vast Living Intelligent Universe; your words, though 'version'

>they may

> >> >be, are the living feedback I am getting from the same intelligence that I

> >> >am. How can I be 'exclusive', if this is the case? I am having a 'relevant

> >> >discussion' with the very 'Higher Power' that I have sought; how can I

> >> >disagree, or attempt to overpower or to better define? You are my living

> >> >environment, speaking to me in words; what a glorious experience this is!

> >>

> >> Yes!!

> >

> >Yes, yes!

>

D:> Speaking metaphorically, the All is God's unconscious... and I think one

> purpose/effect of manifestating as the Vast Living Intelligent Universe is

> the development of consciousness... not just consciousness as we know

> it... I'm sure that much that is unconscious to us is within the

> consciousness of "higher" beings... and the scope of what can be brought

> into our consciousness is expanding...

Consciousness is shared, but usually not experience that way. Sharing is

the means to discover deeper sharing.

> Angelique says, "God/dess was lonely." Another good metaphor...

Do you mean 'Mistress Sssserpent Angelique'? <slither>

D:> We are one... I am One... but how much fun it is to manifest as separate

> entities and talk to each other, relate to each other. )

Yes, and how much challenge on several 'levels'. Who is speaking?

G:> >> >If I am 'cool', if I can constrain my impulse to 'better' you, maybe my

> >> >Living Environment will take that as a cue that I am mature enough to

> >> >actually be in conscious communion with 'it'. This I see as a 'secret of

> >> >life', and through this 'knowledge' (which I have learned the hard way) I

> >> >am attended by what I sought to know and realize. Now my task is to

> >> >maintain the balance that makes this possible.

> >>

D:> >> How do you see that balance and what it takes to maintain it?

> >

G:> >This 'balance' I speak of is resultant from my whole Being-nature. I cannot

> >describe 'how to attain it', but I can say that to maintain it is to 'Be in

> >integrity' at all times. This means _very basic honesty_ with myself. It is

> >this honesty which is the source or means of integrity. Integrity is

> >_immunity_, the ability to continue.

>

G:> Yes. To begin with, if we can't be honest with ourselves... accept

> everything we find, whether it seems "bad" or "good" by some standard...

> then we can't know ourselves completely. We have to drop all judgment of

> good and bad in order to know ourselves.

Well... not to quibble... but I must amplify the concept of 'accept' here.

I offer that there is no 'accept' and no 'nonaccept'. What then, do we have

'instead'? My point here is that 'acceptance' elevates our preferences to a

level of godlike power; by dismissing 'acceptance' and substituting

'tolerance' we may then discover 'abiding'.

Tolerance admits the existence of 'other'. Tolerance (which is actually

quite rare as a human behaviour) confirms that we have difficulty and

attachments, and further, it relieves us of the terrible burden of idealism

which drives 'the search'.

Tolerance leads to the calm which is abiding. Calm is space, and power

'lives in space'. The greater the space, the greater the power.

"knowing oneself" becomes possible in space. It is only space (emptiness)

which confirms definition; definition is distinction. We may see that

either the distinctions between things (everything separate) or the

inclusive definition of everything (everything united) is the same

distinction, seen from different perspectives. Each perspective is

'correct', and neither is mutually exclusive. It is that we may have _both_

perspectives at the _same time_ which makes things interesting.

I should continue with the theme of space and power. Consciousness is that

space; it is only in consciousness that knowing is possible. The clearer

the space, the greater the distinctions which may be known. Thus, knowledge

is power. The greatest power is the power that knows itself; this is also

the power which is aware of the responsibility that comes with such power.

Such power does not fall prey to preference, and so does not make waves.

Thus, such power is invisible.

>D: To "Be in integrity"... a wonderful phrase... I sat here looking at it

> and finally looked up the word to be sure it means what I thought it

> meant... The first definition given for "integrity" is "State or quality

> of being complete, undivided, or unbroken; entirety." It comes from the

> word "integer," which means "A complete entity" and comes from the Latin

> word for "untouched, whole."

>

>D: So it is honesty that enables you to see yourself clearly... to see into

> yourself... to see your larger self... and it is the source or means of

> integrity... being complete... whole... one.

Yes.

G:> >I have given up on seeking and/or maintaining a complex, reified 'belief